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Old 05-04-2013, 10:06 AM   #61
 
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So it's called twerking lol this is how we dance all the time hmmm well everything has it's own appropriate place u wanna twerk u go to the club not skool uh uh..
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I went to public and private schools and one very liberal, student-lead high school and that was never allowed.

It's never allowed. Kids always do it though. Should they all miss prom and graduation?
What happens on their own time, off campus has nothing to do with the school. If you break school rules at school, there should be consequences. That's life. Shielding kids from the consequences of their actions does not help them in any way.
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Dancing in African cultures focuses on the pelvis area because that is seen as the spiritual centre of the body (which it is... life and pleasure come from there) - it isn't necessary sexual, for God's sake. It is a skill to isolate and move that area. It is an area that is not the focus of European-based dances. So in typical ethnocentric fashion, those of European descent assume that African dancing is "sexual" and because sexual = bad, unless expressed under tight controls or in a way they deem is OK, African dancing is "bad." It's absolutely racist. Then African dancing is denigrated as "booty shaking" and banned or subject to controls... but dancing of European-based people will poach and modify African moves with impunity, and after they get mainstream enough, suddenly they're fine and Europeans will even claim to be experts in it.

It's just dancing. It isn't a reflection on peoples' morals or character or sex lives or behaviour. It's a positive enjoyment of your own body and the body of others and a way to keep healthy and fit and like yourself. Why the hell would you punish anyone for it?
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I just read that 33 students were suspended. The one who used school equipment to film and edit had been punished as well.

http://abcnews.go.com/m/blogEntry?id=19098952

Also, the students could be punished for violating the sexual harassment rules, due to a male on looker in the video. Apparently it is stated in the rule book that no "provocative" dances are allowed. Grinding, freaking, etc.. are specifically listed. According to this Buzzfeed article the students also sign a portion in the rule book that states they will do nothing disruptive to/at school.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/ryanhatesthi...rking?s=mobile

I wish I could see the video. This is apparently a wealthier zip code than 90210. I'm sure the schools A/V equipment is excellent.
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I just read that 33 students were suspended. The one who used school equipment to film and edit had been punished as well.

High School Students Suspended for 'Twerking' - ABC News

Also, the students could be punished for violating the sexual harassment rules, due to a male on looker in the video. Apparently it is stated in the rule book that no "provocative" dances are allowed. Grinding, freaking, etc.. are specifically listed. According to this Buzzfeed article the students also sign a portion in the rule book that states they will do nothing disruptive to/at school.

33 High School Students Suspended For Twerking

I wish I could see the video. This is apparently a wealthier zip code than 90210. I'm sure the schools A/V equipment is excellent.
Do a Google search for "twerking video," there's a portion of it on Gawker.
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I just read that 33 students were suspended. The one who used school equipment to film and edit had been punished as well.

High School Students Suspended for 'Twerking' - ABC News

Also, the students could be punished for violating the sexual harassment rules, due to a male on looker in the video. Apparently it is stated in the rule book that no "provocative" dances are allowed. Grinding, freaking, etc.. are specifically listed. According to this Buzzfeed article the students also sign a portion in the rule book that states they will do nothing disruptive to/at school.

33 High School Students Suspended For Twerking

I wish I could see the video. This is apparently a wealthier zip code than 90210. I'm sure the schools A/V equipment is excellent.
Do a Google search for "twerking video," there's a portion of it on Gawker.
Thank you, Medussa. I will try to find it.

I would like to see part of it for myself. I am curious about this whole twerking in unison thing. It's a little too handy for the entire "twerk team" to be available, wearing a school gym uniform, when a fellow student randomly asks if anyone wants to help him make a video for class. Smells like a cover story for a plan to me.

I did read comments where parents said it is the schools fault that a twerk team existed. How did they not know? They failed the children. Oh brother. I also read several other comments saying they should not have been punished at all. I still don't know exactly how I feel about the punishment. I would have never survived in a school with dress code, uniforms, or restrictions on dance. Don't tell me how to dress or move are two of my biggies. BUT looking at it from a school admin perspective, they may have gotten off light. They are aware of the no "provocative" dance clause, the zero tolerance sexual harassment policy, and also signed a document saying they would not do anything to disrupt school classes. That's 3 potential rules broken, per the school. One alone carries a 5 day suspension.
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Dancing in African cultures focuses on the pelvis area because that is seen as the spiritual centre of the body (which it is... life and pleasure come from there) - it isn't necessary sexual, for God's sake. It is a skill to isolate and move that area. It is an area that is not the focus of European-based dances. So in typical ethnocentric fashion, those of European descent assume that African dancing is "sexual" and because sexual = bad, unless expressed under tight controls or in a way they deem is OK, African dancing is "bad." It's absolutely racist. Then African dancing is denigrated as "booty shaking" and banned or subject to controls... but dancing of European-based people will poach and modify African moves with impunity, and after they get mainstream enough, suddenly they're fine and Europeans will even claim to be experts in it.

It's just dancing. It isn't a reflection on peoples' morals or character or sex lives or behaviour. It's a positive enjoyment of your own body and the body of others and a way to keep healthy and fit and like yourself. Why the hell would you punish anyone for it?
You have kids now. You'll be ok with them grinding on girls at middle school dances? Because they're just celebrating life?
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I just read that 33 students were suspended. The one who used school equipment to film and edit had been punished as well.

High School Students Suspended for 'Twerking' - ABC News

Also, the students could be punished for violating the sexual harassment rules, due to a male on looker in the video. Apparently it is stated in the rule book that no "provocative" dances are allowed. Grinding, freaking, etc.. are specifically listed. According to this Buzzfeed article the students also sign a portion in the rule book that states they will do nothing disruptive to/at school.

33 High School Students Suspended For Twerking

I wish I could see the video. This is apparently a wealthier zip code than 90210. I'm sure the schools A/V equipment is excellent.
Do a Google search for "twerking video," there's a portion of it on Gawker.
Thank you, Medussa. I will try to find it.

I would like to see part of it for myself. I am curious about this whole twerking in unison thing. It's a little too handy for the entire "twerk team" to be available, wearing a school gym uniform, when a fellow student randomly asks if anyone wants to help him make a video for class. Smells like a cover story for a plan to me.

I did read comments where parents said it is the schools fault that a twerk team existed. How did they not know? They failed the children. Oh brother. I also read several other comments saying they should not have been punished at all. I still don't know exactly how I feel about the punishment. I would have never survived in a school with dress code, uniforms, or restrictions on dance. Don't tell me how to dress or move are two of my biggies. BUT looking at it from a school admin perspective, they may have gotten off light. They are aware of the no "provocative" dance clause, the zero tolerance sexual harassment policy, and also signed a document saying they would not do anything to disrupt school classes. That's 3 potential rules broken, per the school. One alone carries a 5 day suspension.
Right, but "provocative" is in the eye of the beholder isn't it? To be "provocative", it has to be intended to provoke another person into a sexual reaction. What if that's not what they're doing and they just think it's a cool move?
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Dancing in African cultures focuses on the pelvis area because that is seen as the spiritual centre of the body (which it is... life and pleasure come from there) - it isn't necessary sexual, for God's sake. It is a skill to isolate and move that area. It is an area that is not the focus of European-based dances. So in typical ethnocentric fashion, those of European descent assume that African dancing is "sexual" and because sexual = bad, unless expressed under tight controls or in a way they deem is OK, African dancing is "bad." It's absolutely racist. Then African dancing is denigrated as "booty shaking" and banned or subject to controls... but dancing of European-based people will poach and modify African moves with impunity, and after they get mainstream enough, suddenly they're fine and Europeans will even claim to be experts in it.

It's just dancing. It isn't a reflection on peoples' morals or character or sex lives or behaviour. It's a positive enjoyment of your own body and the body of others and a way to keep healthy and fit and like yourself. Why the hell would you punish anyone for it?
You have kids now. You'll be ok with them grinding on girls at middle school dances? Because they're just celebrating life?
In this case, I thought it was mostly girls on girls. But that's my whole point. "Grinding on" someone doesn't necessarily mean you're trying to have sex with them or are turned on by them or want to turn them on. It can, but it can also just be an expression of fun or your acknowledgement of their inherent sexual power for its own sake or whatever.

If my kids did that with other kids their age who were willing participants and wanted to do it and were enjoying it, I would raise holy hell if they got suspended and banned from not only prom but commencement (seriously? they can't even receive their diplomas and awards in front of family because they did a dance?) What I'd probably tell them is that certain people are uptight and will read stuff into their dancing that isn't there so they're better off not to do it when they're not in a friendly crowd, but no, that isn't my major concern of all the things my kids might do.
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Do a Google search for "twerking video," there's a portion of it on Gawker.
Thank you, Medussa. I will try to find it.

I would like to see part of it for myself. I am curious about this whole twerking in unison thing. It's a little too handy for the entire "twerk team" to be available, wearing a school gym uniform, when a fellow student randomly asks if anyone wants to help him make a video for class. Smells like a cover story for a plan to me.

I did read comments where parents said it is the schools fault that a twerk team existed. How did they not know? They failed the children. Oh brother. I also read several other comments saying they should not have been punished at all. I still don't know exactly how I feel about the punishment. I would have never survived in a school with dress code, uniforms, or restrictions on dance. Don't tell me how to dress or move are two of my biggies. BUT looking at it from a school admin perspective, they may have gotten off light. They are aware of the no "provocative" dance clause, the zero tolerance sexual harassment policy, and also signed a document saying they would not do anything to disrupt school classes. That's 3 potential rules broken, per the school. One alone carries a 5 day suspension.
Right, but "provocative" is in the eye of the beholder isn't it? To be "provocative", it has to be intended to provoke another person into a sexual reaction. What if that's not what they're doing and they just think it's a cool move?
Provocative absolutely is in the eye of the beholder. As I stated, I was doing dances others would call provocative, nasty, dirty, etc in school. Some that were in fact simulated sex on the dance floor, and long before I ever actually did the act. It was just dance for me, and moves I saw on MTV that I thought were great, because I love dance. The main point is, in this case, the school is the beholder and they had previously and explicitly deemed this "provocative".
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It is such a mixed message to tell kids that simulating sex to music is ok, but having sex before they get married is not. I'm really surprised that's the stance you'd take.
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It is such a mixed message to tell kids that simulating sex to music is ok, but having sex before they get married is not. I'm really surprised that's the stance you'd take.
But it's not simulating sex to music - it's JUST DANCING. Kids don't necessarily see it that way at all. Just because the pelvis area is involved doesn't mean that the person is actively having sexual thoughts.

Furthermore, "western" culture is kind of the opposite... dancing a certain way is not OK, but teen sex is fine. As long as they use a condom. So that's not a mixed message?

Cultural dancing doesn't lead to sex. You can be a skilful dancer and abstain from or be selective about sex. Dancing a certain way doesn't mean you'll be promiscuous or sexually precocious. One has nothing to do with the other. Dancing is dancing and sex is sex. Obviously, I wouldn't want my 12 or 13 year old having sex and that will be clear regardless of how they dance.
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If it were laid out in the school handbook that specific dances were forbidden, and I made a video doing the forbidden dance, in school uniform, on school grounds, during class time... I would expect to get in trouble. I would be searching for it.
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Thank you, Medussa. I will try to find it.

I would like to see part of it for myself. I am curious about this whole twerking in unison thing. It's a little too handy for the entire "twerk team" to be available, wearing a school gym uniform, when a fellow student randomly asks if anyone wants to help him make a video for class. Smells like a cover story for a plan to me.

I did read comments where parents said it is the schools fault that a twerk team existed. How did they not know? They failed the children. Oh brother. I also read several other comments saying they should not have been punished at all. I still don't know exactly how I feel about the punishment. I would have never survived in a school with dress code, uniforms, or restrictions on dance. Don't tell me how to dress or move are two of my biggies. BUT looking at it from a school admin perspective, they may have gotten off light. They are aware of the no "provocative" dance clause, the zero tolerance sexual harassment policy, and also signed a document saying they would not do anything to disrupt school classes. That's 3 potential rules broken, per the school. One alone carries a 5 day suspension.
Right, but "provocative" is in the eye of the beholder isn't it? To be "provocative", it has to be intended to provoke another person into a sexual reaction. What if that's not what they're doing and they just think it's a cool move?
Provocative absolutely is in the eye of the beholder. As I stated, I was doing dances others would call provocative, nasty, dirty, etc in school. Some that were in fact simulated sex on the dance floor, and long before I ever actually did the act. It was just dance for me, and moves I saw on MTV that I thought were great, because I love dance. The main point is, in this case, the school is the beholder and they had previously and explicitly deemed this "provocative".
And if my kid had been in that school, I would have had a huge issue with that. I'd like to know if any non-African-based dances get the "provocative" label and how the school gets to decide there is a moral interpretation of other peoples' cultural traditions.
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If it were laid out in the school handbook that specific dances were forbidden, and I made a video doing the forbidden dance, in school uniform, on school grounds, during class time... I would expect to get in trouble. I would be searching for it.
But did they list the specific dance, or did they just say "provocative" dances such as "grinding" and "dirty dancing" and assume the kids know that that dance is supposed to be "provocative" and that they see it as "dirty", etc?
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Right, but "provocative" is in the eye of the beholder isn't it? To be "provocative", it has to be intended to provoke another person into a sexual reaction. What if that's not what they're doing and they just think it's a cool move?
Provocative absolutely is in the eye of the beholder. As I stated, I was doing dances others would call provocative, nasty, dirty, etc in school. Some that were in fact simulated sex on the dance floor, and long before I ever actually did the act. It was just dance for me, and moves I saw on MTV that I thought were great, because I love dance. The main point is, in this case, the school is the beholder and they had previously and explicitly deemed this "provocative".
And if my kid had been in that school, I would have had a huge issue with that. I'd like to know if any non-African-based dances get the "provocative" label and how the school gets to decide there is a moral interpretation of other peoples' cultural traditions.
I guess the term "dirty dancing" covers a wide Patrick Swayze array of dances.

I could not put my hypothetical child in a school with those rules either, or sign on the dotted line acknowledging them. Dance is my favorite form of expression, period. It's how I let go and shake things off. But again, if you are going to do something that breaks several rules... Be ready (and be proud of it).

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If it were laid out in the school handbook that specific dances were forbidden, and I made a video doing the forbidden dance, in school uniform, on school grounds, during class time... I would expect to get in trouble. I would be searching for it.
But did they list the specific dance, or did they just say "provocative" dances such as "grinding" and "dirty dancing" and assume the kids know that that dance is supposed to be "provocative" and that they see it as "dirty", etc?
The list I saw said grinding, freaking, something else, and dirty dancing. Twerking was not specifically listed. It sound like that was written in the 90's to me, but twerking is pretty much a variation of the others listed, when it comes down to it.
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Ladies here's the video , lol those kids made me laugh they can't even dance


http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=r...&v=O1EbsuS_pnQ
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I'm not sure how anyone can say that's not sexual with a straight face.

Very similar to the Brazilian Surra de Bunda.
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^^Yeah, it's pretty bad! These kids were dumb to break school rules to make this horrible video.

Twerking is definitely a sexualized and objectifying dance. Watch a REAL twerking video and you'll see. Does it have cultural ties to dances from Africa? Sure, but let's not play here. These days it's more culturally relevant to the strip club and dirty rap lyrics. Twerking has never been popular in the mainstream, until trap music glorifying strip club culture reached suburbia. Just sayin.
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