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And I could see the meme's flying if something like that happened in WNC, in a tick. That shouldn't happen to anyone who dials 911 for an emergency. It makes light of a serious situation.

I keep wondering what the victims think. Have they watched the news? Have they seen interviews? Have they seen the meme's containing part of the 911's? They will, at some point.

I've harped about that enough already, though.
When I hear terms like "hipster" I think, who told cliques they could leave high school??

Not defending! My master's is in bilingual special education (ESL, sped, and bilingual special ed certifications); I am very much in the camp that AAE (African American English) is a distinct, legitimate dialect of SAE (standard American English), just a low prestige version. It has its own rules for grammar, vocabulary, and pronunciation, making it a systematic variety of SAE.

As a child, I learned to code switch in mixed company where AAE would not be valued by watching my family of Harvard, Stanford and Yale graduates do it.

If more people looked at this as a legitimate dialect (or even its own language... queue Ebonics debate) teachers would be better equipped to teach Black children the differences between their dialect and standard American "school language". Based on current speech-language data, the majority of Black Americans still speak AAE or use some pieces of it. So, I work with predominately disadvantaged African American preschoolers using English as Second Language strategies so they can hopefully maintain their home dialect AND be proficient in the more prestigious school (White) language.

You could say I'm pro-choice :-). I just hate that because it sounds black or "poor" it's seen as bad or inferior. Slaves had to be pretty sophisticated to develop their own language variety that is rule governed and systematic. You may not be saying anything specifically about AAE, which is why I didn't respond to you directly. All the talk about Charles' manner of talking on other sites and here just made me want to post my opinion (you know I don't post much anymore after a quite prolific run :-)).
Originally Posted by dia99
This has nothing to do w/ AAE/AAV/Ebonics. I'm fine w/ AAE. It's just about showing a little decorum and respect. Talking about "big testicles" during a news interview isn't AAE. That's just bufoonery. And he could have blown the 911 call. IMO it was totally disrespectful. The 911 dispatcher was trying to do a job, as were the reporters who interviewed him. Totally disrespectful to them who were trying to be professional and make sense of the situation they were questioning him about and to viewers. Saying "or some sht" and "whatever the F" is not AAE. Neither is appearing on tv blazed to hell. To imply African Americans don't know how to speak w/o cussing and being absolutely vulgar is insulting (not sure if that's what you're doing but mentioning AAE isn't even relevent IMO).

eta - i haven't read anything on any other sites about the way Charles Ramsey speaks...they're referring to it as AAE?

To me, AAE is something else entirely.
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Last edited by spiderlashes5000; 05-21-2013 at 09:10 AM.
I think it's you that has an issue with Charles, not the reporters. It was his personality that made the interveiws more interesting. It's Charles that made the interviews go viral. And unless I missed something, reporters kinda like to get more views. I'm just saying.

I get it. You don't like Charles. That doesn't mean everyone has to agree with you.

I actually get what you are saying, but Charles isn't the issue here. "colorful" black interviews have been the rage latetly. I have my own thoughts about that but that doesn't mean I need to bash Charles. He did a wonderful thing. that's all that really matters in regards to the topic

Maybe I should go to my uncle's church on Sunday so I get my own interview with Charles :-)
I think it's you that has an issue with Charles, not the reporters. It was his personality that made the interveiws more interesting. It's Charles that made the interviews go viral. And unless I missed something, reporters kinda like to get more views. I'm just saying.

I get it. You don't like Charles. That doesn't mean everyone has to agree with you.

I actually get what you are saying, but Charles isn't the issue here. "colorful" black interviews have been the rage latetly. I have my own thoughts about that but that doesn't mean I need to bash Charles. He did a wonderful thing. that's all that really matters in regards to the topic

Maybe I should go to my uncle's church on Sunday so I get my own interview with Charles :-)
Originally Posted by scrills

Thank you for finally allowing me the freedom of my opinion!

I'm not saying anyone has to agree w/ me. Couldn't care less.

That he did a wonderful thing is all that matters to ~you~. Other things may matter to ~me~. Again, that freedom of opinion thing

Totally not a Black thing to me. Just a rather sketchy character living right next door to another sketchy character who committed some awful crimes. Tho the fact that it was a Black person who showed his ass like that makes it all the more painful to me, personally. But my sentiments would be the same if he were White. Or wealthy. Or had a good haircut. Or whatever.
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This has nothing to do w/ AAE/AAV/Ebonics. I'm fine w/ AAE. It's just about showing a little decorum and respect. Talking about "big testicles" during a news interview isn't AAE. That's just bufoonery. And he could have blown the 911 call. IMO it was totally disrespectful. The 911 dispatcher was trying to do a job, as were the reporters who interviewed him. Totally disrespectful to them who were trying to be professional and make sense of the situation they were questioning him about and to viewers. Saying "or some sht" and "whatever the F" is not AAE. Neither is appearing on tv blazed to hell. To imply African Americans don't know how to speak w/o cussing and being absolutely vulgar is insulting (not sure if that's what you're doing but mentioning AAE isn't even relevent IMO).

eta - i haven't read anything on any other sites about the way Charles Ramsey speaks...they're referring to it as AAE?

To me, AAE is something else entirely.
Originally Posted by spiderlashes5000
The comments I've read have been about "ghetto" or "hood" or even "nig&$r talk", and have associated Charles with other black "saviors" who said narry a curse word in any interview I've seen. So, since I do not at all associate cursing or drug use with being specific to the black community, the only thing I can find in common among the interviewees likened to Charles are (a) Black people, (b) appearance and surroundings during interviews indicating lower income and (c) AAE.

I don't disagree with you, and already formally agreed with you, that using the language was inappropriate even though it did not bother me or seem malicious. The cursing just has not been what all the other conversation I've seen is about. I'm glad I'm clear now on what your particular issue is. That written, all the things you mentioned were actually the best parts of the interview for me; they brought his story to life and seemed like what he would say if he were retelling for his friends. I haven't seen an interview where he looked on drugs, so I can't speak to that.
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I'm guessing the Prosecution will put Ramsey on the stand? I'm wondering about Castro's neighbors on the other side, too. And what, if anything, he/she/they will be able to contribute.

The girls down the street said they saw at least one woman looking out of an upstairs window and naked in the backyard. They were kids and didn't live immediately next door...they seemed haunted by the discovery but maybe not totally surprised?
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I'm guessing the Prosecution will put Ramsey on the stand? I'm wondering about Castro's neighbors on the other side, too. And what, if anything, he/she/they will be able to contribute.

The girls down the street said they saw at least one woman looking out of an upstairs window and naked in the backyard. They were kids and didn't live immediately next door...they seemed haunted by the discovery but maybe not totally surprised?
Originally Posted by spiderlashes5000
Am I the only one who's curious about the alleged sightings of women (naked or otherwise) in the back yard? The actual victims said they were only outside twice in all those years and it was to walk quickly to the garage in heavy disguises.

I'm not discounting the sightings of the girl. It seemed to be pretty common knowledge that a child lived there or was there frequently.

I doubt prosecutors will look to the neighbors for much testimony about what happened while the girls/women were imprisoned. The victims and people who frequented the house will be able to provide that.
When are women going to face the fact that they donít know their own bodies as well as men who have heard things?

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Last edited by mrspoppers; 05-22-2013 at 11:37 AM.
I thought I read that the police were called to the house twice. Once when a naked woman was sighted in the backyard and once when Castro left a child on a school bus.
I thought I read that the police were called to the house twice. Once when a naked woman was sighted in the backyard and once when Castro left a child on a school bus.
Originally Posted by medussa
I read that too. It's funny that it wasn't one of the three victims though. I guess it points to more victims.
When are women going to face the fact that they donít know their own bodies as well as men who have heard things?

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Could be the fourth victim that has been alluded to.^^
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I wonder if he will at some point admit to the 4th victim or others. It makes me feel sad that there may be more and they didn't survive.
I'm guessing the Prosecution will put Ramsey on the stand? I'm wondering about Castro's neighbors on the other side, too. And what, if anything, he/she/they will be able to contribute.

The girls down the street said they saw at least one woman looking out of an upstairs window and naked in the backyard. They were kids and didn't live immediately next door...they seemed haunted by the discovery but maybe not totally surprised?
Originally Posted by spiderlashes5000
Am I the only one who's curious about the alleged sightings of women (naked or otherwise) in the back yard? The actual victims said they were only outside twice in all those years and it was to walk quickly to the garage in heavy disguises.

I'm not discounting the sightings of the girl. It seemed to be pretty common knowledge that a child lived there or was there frequently.

I doubt prosecutors will look to the neighbors for much testimony about what happened while the girls/women were imprisoned. The victims and people who frequented the house will be able to provide that.
Originally Posted by mrspoppers
I thought Castro would be maintaining the women were there voluntarily? So maybe testimony of fighting, violence, women wandering around the backyard drugged, etc would counter that claim?

As long as it's not a bunch of mysogynist joking and banter making light of the situation...
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I wondered about the reports, too. I've read several different stories. I heard what Mrs P mentioned, The kidnapped women told police the only time they were allowed outside was to go to the garage, in heavy disguise.

I have read the only two calls on record, with the police department, were one from Castro himself reporting a fight in the street and then the report of a child being left on the school bus. The article I read that in stated the police came to Castro's door about the school bus incident, knocked, and left when no one came to the door because they dis not care. I have to ask... How did the neighbors know why they were there? And ads that they can not bust down someones door due to a report, and that would most likely be investigated at the school he worked for. (Forgive me, it's just how my mind works)

I have also read about the other reports. A woman standing in the window, beating the window, with an infant in her arms in 2011. A woman walking around naked in the back yard. Women chained up naked in the back yard, etc... Again, no record of these reports, and there are several ways to check. You can check records of reports by street address, callers name, phone number, etc... and every single phone line in a 911 office is recorded. Emergency, non emergency and even fax lines in my office. If someone has a time frame, those records can be checked. These reports also contradict what the kidnap victims themselves said, and what several other neighbors said. They claimed to have never noticed anything unusual. He would tinker with his bike in the back yard, acted completely normal, nothing seemed unusual, etc. **Even Ramsey in his 911 said he did not know who she was/he just moved there and in his interview said he knew who she was, had lived there a year, had BBQ's with Castro and never saw anything out of the ordinary. I bring that up only because the amount of contradictions in this case, with many of the neighbors and claims, and down to the 9000 posted 911 calls have been astounding.

I would not doubt that claims of the women being there of their own accord will be used. Especially when it comes to Amanda Berry. Her claim, "I have been on the news for 10 years" can be turned around on her. She was obviously the one he kept upstairs with him. She was aware of things that went on in the news, she was allowed to have her baby, and she has the least physical injuries.
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Last edited by Fifi.G; 05-22-2013 at 11:33 PM.
And if I am not mistaken she said nothing to police about the other 2 women in the house when they got there, and she said nothing on the 911 about them being with her. Officers found the other two women on the first floor of the house when they searched it. Not chained in the basement.

From Castro's lawyers perspective... They have some stuff they could try, if they take that route.
When I hear terms like "hipster" I think, who told cliques they could leave high school??

I feel a little bad for Castro's siblings. I know the brothers were brought in and then released, and "Action News" had to uncover that his sister works in the jail.

http://abcnews.go.com/m/story?id=19165485

http://m.19actionnews.com/autojuice?...s-at-city-jail

I hope she has not received death threats as well. She made a very wise choice in removing herself from the immediate situation.

The idea of the dispatchers names being released scares the crap out of me. I am honestly afraid for their personal safety.
When I hear terms like "hipster" I think, who told cliques they could leave high school??

And if I am not mistaken she said nothing to police about the other 2 women in the house when they got there, and she said nothing on the 911 about them being with her. Officers found the other two women on the first floor of the house when they searched it. Not chained in the basement.

From Castro's lawyers perspective... They have some stuff they could try, if they take that route.
Originally Posted by Fifi.G
One of the first interviews I heard with Ramsey, he said she said she wouldn't leave till the other women were out.
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And if I am not mistaken she said nothing to police about the other 2 women in the house when they got there, and she said nothing on the 911 about them being with her. Officers found the other two women on the first floor of the house when they searched it. Not chained in the basement.

From Castro's lawyers perspective... They have some stuff they could try, if they take that route.
Originally Posted by Fifi.G
One of the first interviews I heard with Ramsey, he said she said she wouldn't leave till the other women were out.
Originally Posted by CurlyCanadian
I was thinking about the police interview and thinking they said she was just pointing at the house while talking, which they did, but I didn't remember that she had told them Gina & Michelle were inside. She did, after asked if anyone else was in there , but did not mention them on the 911.

Either way... I'm just thinking of stuff Castro's lawyers could use if they pull some "not being held against their will crap", not what I personally think. The only one I could see them doing that with is Amanda. Both Gina and Michelle sustained inj common with POW's, and beyond.

And besides, as far as Castro's lawyers would be concerned, Charles Ramsey already discredited himself between the call and interview (which in a court room setting... he did to some extent). Then you have the others claiming he was not involved... BUT CPD included him in a parade.

A real mockery could be made of this. Hope it's not, but it could.
When I hear terms like "hipster" I think, who told cliques they could leave high school??


Last edited by Fifi.G; 05-23-2013 at 12:07 PM.
Isn't Michelle living with Amanda and her family now? I doubt Amanda was forgetting the other two women in the house. And we don't know what she told police.

And just because they had tvs (and could see themselves) doesn't mean they were treated humanely. (I'm hoping) a good attoreny could easily could refute these points, easily since there are reportst that he kept the TVs on to drown out their voices
Isn't Michelle living with Amanda and her family now? I doubt Amanda was forgetting the other two women in the house. And we don't know what she told police.

And just because they had tvs (and could see themselves) doesn't mean they were treated humanely. (I'm hoping) a good attoreny could easily could refute these points, easily since there are reportst that he kept the TVs on to drown out their voices
Originally Posted by scrills
I thought it was Gina? I know I heard she living with someone, and not her family.

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