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Isn't Michelle living with Amanda and her family now? I doubt Amanda was forgetting the other two women in the house. And we don't know what she told police.

And just because they had tvs (and could see themselves) doesn't mean they were treated humanely. (I'm hoping) a good attoreny could easily could refute these points, easily since there are reportst that he kept the TVs on to drown out their voices
Originally Posted by scrills
Let's not forget the chains coming from the walls and dog leashes attached to the ceiling. Oh, and those padlocks on all the doors. Those defense attorneys are going to have a hell of an uphill battle.
Isn't Michelle living with Amanda and her family now? I doubt Amanda was forgetting the other two women in the house. And we don't know what she told police.

And just because they had tvs (and could see themselves) doesn't mean they were treated humanely. (I'm hoping) a good attoreny could easily could refute these points, easily since there are reportst that he kept the TVs on to drown out their voices
Originally Posted by scrills
Yeah, Michelle is living with Gina. She wanted to be with her. I am sure she is one of the only people Michelle trusts in this world, given her family situation and those two seemingly getting the brunt of the torture. That is based on the reports that Castro would keep one upstairs with him, and the extensive tissue loss that both Michelle and Gina had, showing they spent the majority of the time chained up.

Yes! A good lawyer would be able to refute those points, and they wouldn't have a shot in hell trying it with Michelle or Gina. *Not to mention the police are key in support of the 3 women* I just hope, given the high publicity of this case, Castro does not end up with some show boat lawyer, trying every trick in the book. I hope it would be handled with a little more care than that.
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Isn't Michelle living with Amanda and her family now? I doubt Amanda was forgetting the other two women in the house. And we don't know what she told police.

And just because they had tvs (and could see themselves) doesn't mean they were treated humanely. (I'm hoping) a good attoreny could easily could refute these points, easily since there are reportst that he kept the TVs on to drown out their voices
Originally Posted by scrills
Let's not forget the chains coming from the walls and dog leashes attached to the ceiling. Oh, and those padlocks on all the doors. Those defense attorneys are going to have a hell of an uphill battle.
Originally Posted by medussa
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This has nothing to do w/ AAE/AAV/Ebonics. I'm fine w/ AAE. It's just about showing a little decorum and respect. Talking about "big testicles" during a news interview isn't AAE. That's just bufoonery. And he could have blown the 911 call. IMO it was totally disrespectful. The 911 dispatcher was trying to do a job, as were the reporters who interviewed him. Totally disrespectful to them who were trying to be professional and make sense of the situation they were questioning him about and to viewers. Saying "or some sht" and "whatever the F" is not AAE. Neither is appearing on tv blazed to hell. To imply African Americans don't know how to speak w/o cussing and being absolutely vulgar is insulting (not sure if that's what you're doing but mentioning AAE isn't even relevent IMO).

eta - i haven't read anything on any other sites about the way Charles Ramsey speaks...they're referring to it as AAE?

To me, AAE is something else entirely.
Originally Posted by spiderlashes5000
The comments I've read have been about "ghetto" or "hood" or even "nig&$r talk", and have associated Charles with other black "saviors" who said narry a curse word in any interview I've seen. So, since I do not at all associate cursing or drug use with being specific to the black community, the only thing I can find in common among the interviewees likened to Charles are (a) Black people, (b) appearance and surroundings during interviews indicating lower income and (c) AAE.

I don't disagree with you, and already formally agreed with you, that using the language was inappropriate even though it did not bother me or seem malicious. The cursing just has not been what all the other conversation I've seen is about. I'm glad I'm clear now on what your particular issue is. That written, all the things you mentioned were actually the best parts of the interview for me; they brought his story to life and seemed like what he would say if he were retelling for his friends. I haven't seen an interview where he looked on drugs, so I can't speak to that.
Originally Posted by dia99
Cursing of course is not specific to Black people, but I think in this case it just denotes a lower level of formality. Clearly, a more "professional" person doing an interview would avoid vernacular expressions and cursing. Someone whose daily life does not have the same expectation of professionalism and who was not raised with that level of etiquette might not. I agree that it isn't necessarily intended to be disrespectful, it's just colloquial speech and someone being himself.

The ebonics / AAVE is a separate issue, and I agree with dia on that that Black speech patterns are often misunderstood and undervalued.

I like Charles. I think he did a good thing when many others might have just assumed it was everyday nonsense or some domestic thing they didn't want to get involved in. I don't think there's any reason to believe he is sketchy or on drugs. He is of a lower socioeconomic background, but so what? I don't think he should be taken as any particular representation of Black people in general - just take him for who he is and appreciate what he did, is the way I look at him. I have enjoyed his interviews because they seem real and not staged - he isn't out to prove anything, impress anyone or gain anything from what I've seen.
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