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Old 06-01-2013, 02:35 PM   #1
 
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The de-extinctioning movement grows

This disturbs me. Survival of the fittest means nothing anymore? Not to mention, why have conservation, when you can decimate populations, then bring them back whenever? At least that will be the thought of those who fight against conservation. Thoughts?
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I doubt wooly mammoths could survive in the wild now. So where would one go, in a zoo? Terrible.
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I'm not disturbed. I think it's actually fascinating.

If there are people out there who don't already care about endangered animals, I don't think de-extinction would change anything. Scientist might as well use whatever is in their arsenal. Especially if the exctintions were cause by human intervention in the first place.

I do think some regulation would be necessary. You'd have to be careful not to introduce species into the wild that would cause an imbalance, make sure they are placed in their right habitat etc. As for ancient animals, I imagine the purpose would be for research, to understand how animals evolved. I doubt they would try to set them free in the wild.
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This disturbs me. Survival of the fittest means nothing anymore? Not to mention, why have conservation, when you can decimate populations, then bring them back whenever? At least that will be the thought of those who fight against conservation. Thoughts?
First of all, there is something unnatural about such extreme cold that an animal's body and blood could be preserved for 100 centuries!

Second, ITA that it circumvents the natural order of the ecosystem & lets human beings off the hook for our irresponsible conduct.

I'm reminded of the line from Jurassic Park to which the article alludes: just because you can, doesn't mean you should. We can see the iron law of unintended consequences everywhere, from pythons purchased in pet stores and later released into the Everglades when they get too big, to the introduction of Nile perch into the Mississippi River where they wreak havoc on native fish populations.

I totally understand the scientific curiosity that drives this movement, as well as the sense of rectifying a zoological wrong. But the potential for disaster is huge.
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This disturbs me. Survival of the fittest means nothing anymore? Not to mention, why have conservation, when you can decimate populations, then bring them back whenever? At least that will be the thought of those who fight against conservation. Thoughts?
First of all, there is something unnatural about such extreme cold that an animal's body and blood could be preserved for 100 centuries!

Second, ITA that it circumvents the natural order of the ecosystem & lets human beings off the hook for our irresponsible conduct.

I'm reminded of the line from Jurassic Park to which the article alludes: just because you can, doesn't mean you should. We can see the iron law of unintended consequences everywhere, from pythons purchased in pet stores and later released into the Everglades when they get too big, to the introduction of Nile perch into the Mississippi River where they wreak havoc on native fish populations.

I totally understand the scientific curiosity that drives this movement, as well as the sense of rectifying a zoological wrong. But the potential for disaster is huge.
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Yossarian, along those lines, here is another non native species introduced to an area and is wreaking havoc.

Giant African Land Snails invade South Florida
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Yossarian, along those lines, here is another non native species introduced to an area and is wreaking havoc.

Giant African Land Snails invade South Florida
Yes, that's a great example. Huffington Post has had several articles about this, along with extremely disgusting pics. I'm in the process of moving to the Miami area, and this really worries me because these creatures can cause a lot of damage to houses. It's like discovering a termite infestation, except that these live a lot longer. Ugh.


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Yossarian, along those lines, here is another non native species introduced to an area and is wreaking havoc.

Giant African Land Snails invade South Florida
Yes, that's a great example. Huffington Post has had several articles about this, along with extremely disgusting pics. I'm in the process of moving to the Miami area, and this really worries me because these creatures can cause a lot of damage to houses. It's like discovering a termite infestation, except that these live a lot longer. Ugh.

Good luck on your move to Miami.
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Thank you. I just couldn't accept the brutal cuts in next year's education budget, which will cut 282 teachers from the district. The final straw was my son being reprimanded for referring to the Confederate flag as a racist symbol. (As he told the teacher, just read the words of the Confederate leaders themselves for definitive proof!)

Canadian scientists studied the possibility of genetically engineered salmon escaping into the wild and mating with brown trout. Their results were just published last week, and they found that such a pairing can happen, and the environmental impact would be devastating because the offspring would be larger and more aggressive than both trout and the GMO salmon.

And here in Florida, we have kangaroos and llamas running wild - all heck has broken loose! I can't believe the cops tased the llama - I hear he's suing for police brutality
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Thank you. I just couldn't accept the brutal cuts in next year's education budget, which will cut 282 teachers from the district. The final straw was my son being reprimanded for referring to the Confederate flag as a racist symbol. (As he told the teacher, just read the words of the Confederate leaders themselves for definitive proof!)

Canadian scientists studied the possibility of genetically engineered salmon escaping into the wild and mating with brown trout. Their results were just published last week, and they found that such a pairing can happen, and the environmental impact would be devastating because the offspring would be larger and more aggressive than both trout and the GMO salmon.

And here in Florida, we have kangaroos and llamas running wild - all heck has broken loose! I can't believe the cops tased the llama - I hear he's suing for police brutality
Smh, regarding the reprimanding of your son. It is a racist symbol. It is divisive and contains to be used as a symbol of hate.

GMO anything scares me. Why can't we know whether something we eat is modified?

Obviously we are past the lions, tigers and bears stage, oh my!
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I doubt they would try to set them free in the wild.
I hope not. Hehe. I could only imagine the calls I would get on that. I already hear statements like, "I have been traumatized for life because of a black bear on my porch. This is far more horrifying than the 3 hurricanes and 2 earth quakes I survived through. His sniffing at my window will haunt my dreams, forever".

Co existing with bears in their natural habitat is clearly un imaginable for some. A wooly mammoth would be far worse.
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Juana, my phone was freezing so I have not been able to finish reading this, but I am not sure what to think. Part of me finds it fascinating, but the larger part of me hopes it does not happen. I'm not too big on the idea of bringing something back from the long gone and dead.
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Juana, my phone was freezing so I have not been able to finish reading this, but I am not sure what to think. Part of me finds it fascinating, but the larger part of me hopes it does not happen. I'm not too big on the idea of bringing something back from the long gone and dead.
Fifi, we have no idea what could happen to our ecosystem were they to be brought back.
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Juana, my phone was freezing so I have not been able to finish reading this, but I am not sure what to think. Part of me finds it fascinating, but the larger part of me hopes it does not happen. I'm not too big on the idea of bringing something back from the long gone and dead.
Fifi, we have no idea what could happen to our ecosystem were they to be brought back.
No, we don't.

I had to brush up a little. I used to love reading all the factoids on mammoths and dinosaurs. All that was sucked out of my head when I spent a summer watching The Land Before Time (98 times) with my God Son. They were all Little Feet's and Sharptooth's. from that point on That and research has continued and new conclusions have been made. Researchers think they ate close to the same amount as Indian Elephants, 400 lbs a day, but it was just grass and a different type of grass that grew very fast. From what I read they didn't eat tree barks and different plant life as well. Who knows what would happen to them when introduced to some "different" vegetation than what their natural system tolerated.

I don't like the idea of bringing an animal back to study it. There are too many variables there.
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They will be able to bring back animals and plants that went extinct in the fairly recent past, but they wouldn't be able to do this for those that went extinct 100 million years ago, probably not even one million years ago.
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Yossarian, along those lines, here is another non native species introduced to an area and is wreaking havoc.

Giant African Land Snails invade South Florida
Yes, that's a great example. Huffington Post has had several articles about this, along with extremely disgusting pics. I'm in the process of moving to the Miami area, and this really worries me because these creatures can cause a lot of damage to houses. It's like discovering a termite infestation, except that these live a lot longer. Ugh.

Good luck on your move to Miami.
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creepy. reminds me of last year (i'm guessing around december because i was 7 months pregnant) i found a article about scientist offering 100 grand to a any lady willing to be a surrogate to a neanderthal baby, apparently they believe they now have the technology to create a neanderthal embryo, they just need a momma. considering at the time i was in the middle of a hellish hyperemesis laden pregnancy with my homosapien daughter, my reaction at the thought of carrying a much larger neanderthal baby that my body may not even recognize as a human baby, and might reject, was a violent, visceral "hell no!" and immediate closing of the tab.
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^^ I don't like all this fooling around with Mother Nature. Surrogate mother to a neanderthal baby? Is there no limit to the crazy things people will think of?
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