Paris Jackson: possible suicide attempt

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I feel for those kids. The first pic looks like my cousin's arm, she was a cutter.
I hate to hear about any adolescent possibly cutting, famous family or not. My late, great, psychology teacher had a niece who cut. She talked her parents into letting her live with her, and worked with her, until she got better. She needed to be removed from her environment until she had better coping skills.

I don't know all the details with this. I don't for sure if the scars are from cutting, but if true... I disagree with the statement that this was not a cry for attention. Running to your room, slamming the door, and trying to OD because you were told you can't go to a concert is a cry for attention. So is cutting in more visible areas. That in no way means there isn't a real problem. There is, and I hope she can get the help she needs.

Also, I don't know how tweets of Beatles lyrics, and showing appreciation for Kurt Cobain = something negative or road to destruction. Yesterday is a fantastic song and Kurt was a rock legend.
When I hear terms like "hipster" I think, who told cliques they could leave high school??

Oh...I thought this was about Paris Hilton at first. OK I'm more interested now...
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such a horrible thing, I really do feel for those kids

I just read this on TMZ
Paris Jackson left a suicide note and then cut her arm with a meat cleaver ... TMZ has learned.

Sources with an intimate knowledge of the situation tell TMZ ... Michael Jackson's daughter called a suicide hotline and the person on the other end was alarmed enough to call 911.

Our sources say in addition to cutting her right forearm, Paris had taken a large number of Motrin pills.

We're told once Paris was taken by stretcher to an ambulance and then transported to a nearby hospital, she was placed under a 5150 psychiatric hold for 72 hours.

She received "numerous stitches" for the cut.

As for the suicide note ... we do not know what she wrote.

Paris Jackson -- Left Suicide Note, Cut Arm with Meat Cleaver | TMZ.com

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Poor child. I was a cutter as a child, and had numerous suicide attempts before I was 10, although my stuff was all secret, never found by anyone. I stopped cutting when I realized I could get permanent scars and stopped planning my own death when I was able to get out and away from my abuser a bit more as I got older. I hope someone helps her. She has led a very strange life, and I suspect she has experienced more than a little abuse...all the kids probably did. I don't think Michael Jackson was a very good father...what with him being a probable pedophile and all...and now the kids are in the clutches of the most famous money-grubbing dysfunctional family ever.
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Poor child. I was a cutter as a child, and had numerous suicide attempts before I was 10, although my stuff was all secret, never found by anyone. I stopped cutting when I realized I could get permanent scars and stopped planning my own death when I was able to get out and away from my abuser a bit more as I got older. I hope someone helps her. She has led a very strange life, and I suspect she has experienced more than a little abuse...all the kids probably did. I don't think Michael Jackson was a very good father...what with him being a probable pedophile and all...and now the kids are in the clutches of the most famous money-grubbing dysfunctional family ever.
Originally Posted by RedCatWaves
I almost hate to wade into this, but I must. MJ was NOT a pedophile. What he was, was a easy mark for those wishing to blackmail him for large amounts of money. The latest one - Wade Robson - makes me particularly sick for many reasons. But I do have total empathy for anyone who has truly been abused.
Poor child. I was a cutter as a child, and had numerous suicide attempts before I was 10, although my stuff was all secret, never found by anyone. I stopped cutting when I realized I could get permanent scars and stopped planning my own death when I was able to get out and away from my abuser a bit more as I got older. I hope someone helps her. She has led a very strange life, and I suspect she has experienced more than a little abuse...all the kids probably did. I don't think Michael Jackson was a very good father...what with him being a probable pedophile and all...and now the kids are in the clutches of the most famous money-grubbing dysfunctional family ever.
Originally Posted by RedCatWaves
I almost hate to wade into this, but I must. MJ was NOT a pedophile. What he was, was a easy mark for those wishing to blackmail him for large amounts of money. The latest one - Wade Robson - makes me particularly sick for many reasons. But I do have total empathy for anyone who has truly been abused.
Originally Posted by asugirl


We'll have to agree to disagree. I think MJ was probably a pedophile...one with enough money to be able to pay off his victims and continue his craft for years and years and years and...


And as for Wade Robson...of all the victims who have come forward, he seems to be one of the more legitimate accusers. I think as the boys age, there will probably be a lot more victims coming forward in the future. That's what happens with sexual abuse...the abuse we are able to put aside for a while in our youth and young adult years comes back to haunt us terribly as we hit middle age. I know that from first-hand experience.
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Last edited by RedCatWaves; 06-05-2013 at 11:23 PM.
Poor child. I was a cutter as a child, and had numerous suicide attempts before I was 10, although my stuff was all secret, never found by anyone. I stopped cutting when I realized I could get permanent scars and stopped planning my own death when I was able to get out and away from my abuser a bit more as I got older. I hope someone helps her. She has led a very strange life, and I suspect she has experienced more than a little abuse...all the kids probably did. I don't think Michael Jackson was a very good father...what with him being a probable pedophile and all...and now the kids are in the clutches of the most famous money-grubbing dysfunctional family ever.
Originally Posted by RedCatWaves
I almost hate to wade into this, but I must. MJ was NOT a pedophile. What he was, was a easy mark for those wishing to blackmail him for large amounts of money. The latest one - Wade Robson - makes me particularly sick for many reasons. But I do have total empathy for anyone who has truly been abused.
Originally Posted by asugirl


We'll have to agree to disagree. I think MJ was probably a pedophile...one with enough money to be able to pay off his victims and continue his craft for years and years and years and...


And as for Wade Robson...of all the victims who have come forward, he seems to be one of the more legitimate accusers. I think as the boys age, there will probably be a lot more victims coming forward in the future. That's what happens with sexual abuse...the abuse we are able to put aside for a while in our youth and young adult years comes back to haunt us terribly as we hit middle age. I know that from first-hand experience.
Originally Posted by RedCatWaves
Disagreement it is then, because I have a completely different perception of who Michael Jackson was. People were successful in blackmailing and exhorting him because they knew others were only too willing to believe that MJ was a freak, a sicko, a pedophile.

And Wade Robson was such a convincing advocate of Michael's that he was his primary witness at trial. Wade continued to support Michael until what, four years after his death, and then - right when the civil trial begins against AIG - that's when he completely contradicts his previous claims and calls MJ a pedophile/child abuser when it's too late for him to defend himself? Too many things just seem off - and he just seems too in need of money. I am one person who believes in never saying never, but I have always felt that MJ was an angel on earth, not perfect but closer to purity than most.

And since this thread is about Paris, I just love that girl to pieces and hope and pray that someone shows her the love and commitment she so desperately needs right now.
I read an interview with her recently and thought she seemed very positive and 'together' considering her upbringing and what she's been through. Apparently looks can be deceiving. Very sad.

Those scars on her arms look exactly like what I see on the cutters at work.
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I almost hate to wade into this, but I must. MJ was NOT a pedophile. What he was, was a easy mark for those wishing to blackmail him for large amounts of money. The latest one - Wade Robson - makes me particularly sick for many reasons. But I do have total empathy for anyone who has truly been abused.
Originally Posted by asugirl


We'll have to agree to disagree. I think MJ was probably a pedophile...one with enough money to be able to pay off his victims and continue his craft for years and years and years and...


And as for Wade Robson...of all the victims who have come forward, he seems to be one of the more legitimate accusers. I think as the boys age, there will probably be a lot more victims coming forward in the future. That's what happens with sexual abuse...the abuse we are able to put aside for a while in our youth and young adult years comes back to haunt us terribly as we hit middle age. I know that from first-hand experience.
Originally Posted by RedCatWaves
Disagreement it is then, because I have a completely different perception of who Michael Jackson was. People were successful in blackmailing and exhorting him because they knew others were only too willing to believe that MJ was a freak, a sicko, a pedophile.
And Wade Robson was such a convincing advocate of Michael's that he was his primary witness at trial. Wade continued to support Michael until what, four years after his death, and then - right when the civil trial begins against AIG - that's when he completely contradicts his previous claims and calls MJ a pedophile/child abuser when it's too late for him to defend himself? Too many things just seem off - and he just seems too in need of money. I am one person who believes in never saying never, but I have always felt that MJ was an angel on earth, not perfect but closer to purity than most.

And since this thread is about Paris, I just love that girl to pieces and hope and pray that someone shows her the love and commitment she so desperately needs right now.
Originally Posted by asugirl
Wade Robson was a child (and probably still being abused) when he testified for MJ. His story change doesn't seem off at all to me...that's how childhood sexual abuse affects a lot of pople. CSA is often denied, for a lot reasons, more than any other type of abuse. MJ was a man who engaged in many socially deviant activities. He was a chronic long-term drug addict...a junkie. I don't know how anyone gets "pure" out of that.
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i think MJ was asexual. I have heard several interviews where people thought this. I also think its strange that the father who first accused MJ was estragned from his family and he kept all the money from the suit and rumors claim his son and ex wife said he made it all up and MJ was innocent. he also killed himself shortly after michael jackson died. I dont know what is true in that case and we wont know because the accuser and accused are dead and the son wants it to end.

This is not about MJ but his daughter. What she is going through is sad and she obviously needs help. If things are so bad she is willing to die, the other kids are probably going through the same emotional issues. I wish someone who cares would just step in and take this kids somewhere they can be safe and happy. The jackson family is too crazy.
And yes MJ ws an addict. he may not had been in a crackhouse shooting up, but he was addicted to drugs. that can effe a kid seeing their parents like that. they should be in couseling for that alone.
I just feel so much for the kids. Because MJ isolated them so much, he didn't trust "the world" (and probably for good reason) - I don't believe it was possible for them to have any sort of well-adjusted upbringing - then to go from that world to this world as soon as he died would be a huge life event for an adult, but for kids without coping skills or a strong support network (I'm not sure I think that MJ's family qualifies as a support network), there must have been some significant emotional issues with the adjustment (and probably STILL having significant emotional issues). Kids are resilient but I just think they needed a lot of help and support - and I'm not sure they got it.

I'm glad she's getting help now, maybe this will help her get a firm footing and perhaps she'll be able to help her siblings. I'm not pleased that I'm now reading that "
One source connected with the case tells us, "She's into the drama.""

(Read more: Celebrity Gossip | Entertainment News | Celebrity News | TMZ.com)

she is a 15 year old girl, please lets not start insinuating this was all about drama and attention - I think being 15 is hard enough, with her family history, really, let's not act as if she's a 35 year old wanting cameras on her. A cry for help doesn't mean "attention seeker" in the sense of she wants drama. It means she didn't know how else to ask - or she may not even REALIZE she wants the help. She's 15.

My heart hurts for her.
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We'll have to agree to disagree. I think MJ was probably a pedophile...one with enough money to be able to pay off his victims and continue his craft for years and years and years and...


And as for Wade Robson...of all the victims who have come forward, he seems to be one of the more legitimate accusers. I think as the boys age, there will probably be a lot more victims coming forward in the future. That's what happens with sexual abuse...the abuse we are able to put aside for a while in our youth and young adult years comes back to haunt us terribly as we hit middle age. I know that from first-hand experience.
Originally Posted by RedCatWaves
Disagreement it is then, because I have a completely different perception of who Michael Jackson was. People were successful in blackmailing and exhorting him because they knew others were only too willing to believe that MJ was a freak, a sicko, a pedophile.

And Wade Robson was such a convincing advocate of Michael's that he was his primary witness at trial. Wade continued to support Michael until what, four years after his death, and then - right when the civil trial begins against AIG - that's when he completely contradicts his previous claims and calls MJ a pedophile/child abuser when it's too late for him to defend himself? Too many things just seem off - and he just seems too in need of money. I am one person who believes in never saying never, but I have always felt that MJ was an angel on earth, not perfect but closer to purity than most.

And since this thread is about Paris, I just love that girl to pieces and hope and pray that someone shows her the love and commitment she so desperately needs right now.
Originally Posted by asugirl
Wade Robson was a child (and probably still being abused) when he testified for MJ. His story change doesn't seem off at all to me...that's how childhood sexual abuse affects a lot of pople. CSA is often denied, for a lot reasons, more than any other type of abuse. MJ was a man who engaged in many socially deviant activities. He was a chronic long-term drug addict...a junkie. I don't know how anyone gets "pure" out of that.
Originally Posted by RedCatWaves
Wade Robson was 23 when he testified at the trial. He was an adult. And you suggest he could have still been being abused by MJ at that age? Didn't happen. I don't think he was socially deviant at all. His abuse of drugs was to pain killers, for burns from a commercial and injuries from performing. The drug that killed him was used only to help him sleep - so that he may perform and support all of the people that constantly depended on him. You would have had to have walked in his shoes. And you do not know that he abused anyone. His kids wouldn't love and support his memory the way they do if he had been abusing them.

Disagreement it is then, because I have a completely different perception of who Michael Jackson was. People were successful in blackmailing and exhorting him because they knew others were only too willing to believe that MJ was a freak, a sicko, a pedophile.

And Wade Robson was such a convincing advocate of Michael's that he was his primary witness at trial. Wade continued to support Michael until what, four years after his death, and then - right when the civil trial begins against AIG - that's when he completely contradicts his previous claims and calls MJ a pedophile/child abuser when it's too late for him to defend himself? Too many things just seem off - and he just seems too in need of money. I am one person who believes in never saying never, but I have always felt that MJ was an angel on earth, not perfect but closer to purity than most.

And since this thread is about Paris, I just love that girl to pieces and hope and pray that someone shows her the love and commitment she so desperately needs right now.
Originally Posted by asugirl
Wade Robson was a child (and probably still being abused) when he testified for MJ. His story change doesn't seem off at all to me...that's how childhood sexual abuse affects a lot of pople. CSA is often denied, for a lot reasons, more than any other type of abuse. MJ was a man who engaged in many socially deviant activities. He was a chronic long-term drug addict...a junkie. I don't know how anyone gets "pure" out of that.
Originally Posted by RedCatWaves
Wade Robson was 23 when he testified at the trial. He was an adult. And you suggest he could have still been being abused by MJ at that age? Didn't happen. I don't think he was socially deviant at all. His abuse of drugs was to pain killers, for burns from a commercial and injuries from performing. The drug that killed him was used only to help him sleep - so that he may perform and support all of the people that constantly depended on him. You would have had to have walked in his shoes. And you do not know that he abused anyone. His kids wouldn't love and support his memory the way they do if he had been abusing them.
Originally Posted by asugirl
And you don't know that he DIDN'T abuse anyone. Jus' sayin'.

And kids will often to go to the ends of the Earth for their parents no matter how they were raised. Plenty of abused children love their parents. One had nothing to do with the other.

With that being said, I don't think he abused his children. But we, including you, are just speculating.
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Wade Robson was a child (and probably still being abused) when he testified for MJ. His story change doesn't seem off at all to me...that's how childhood sexual abuse affects a lot of pople. CSA is often denied, for a lot reasons, more than any other type of abuse. MJ was a man who engaged in many socially deviant activities. He was a chronic long-term drug addict...a junkie. I don't know how anyone gets "pure" out of that.
Originally Posted by RedCatWaves
Wade Robson was 23 when he testified at the trial. He was an adult. And you suggest he could have still been being abused by MJ at that age? Didn't happen. I don't think he was socially deviant at all. His abuse of drugs was to pain killers, for burns from a commercial and injuries from performing. The drug that killed him was used only to help him sleep - so that he may perform and support all of the people that constantly depended on him. You would have had to have walked in his shoes. And you do not know that he abused anyone. His kids wouldn't love and support his memory the way they do if he had been abusing them.
Originally Posted by asugirl
And you don't know that he DIDN'T abuse anyone. Jus' sayin'.

And kids will often to go to the ends of the Earth for their parents no matter how they were raised. Plenty of abused children love their parents. One had nothing to do with the other.

With that being said, I don't think he abused his children. But we, including you, are just speculating.
Originally Posted by Po
I agree, I don't know. It is only what I feel after observing all of this occur over the years - my opinion. I usually resist the urge to weigh in on this whole mess because I know that it never ends. This time I didn't and I probably should have. I am now done.

Last edited by asugirl; 06-06-2013 at 10:53 AM.

Disagreement it is then, because I have a completely different perception of who Michael Jackson was. People were successful in blackmailing and exhorting him because they knew others were only too willing to believe that MJ was a freak, a sicko, a pedophile.

And Wade Robson was such a convincing advocate of Michael's that he was his primary witness at trial. Wade continued to support Michael until what, four years after his death, and then - right when the civil trial begins against AIG - that's when he completely contradicts his previous claims and calls MJ a pedophile/child abuser when it's too late for him to defend himself? Too many things just seem off - and he just seems too in need of money. I am one person who believes in never saying never, but I have always felt that MJ was an angel on earth, not perfect but closer to purity than most.

And since this thread is about Paris, I just love that girl to pieces and hope and pray that someone shows her the love and commitment she so desperately needs right now.
Originally Posted by asugirl
Wade Robson was a child (and probably still being abused) when he testified for MJ. His story change doesn't seem off at all to me...that's how childhood sexual abuse affects a lot of pople. CSA is often denied, for a lot reasons, more than any other type of abuse. MJ was a man who engaged in many socially deviant activities. He was a chronic long-term drug addict...a junkie. I don't know how anyone gets "pure" out of that.
Originally Posted by RedCatWaves
Wade Robson was 23 when he testified at the trial. He was an adult. And you suggest he could have still been being abused by MJ at that age? Didn't happen. I don't think he was socially deviant at all. His abuse of drugs was to pain killers, for burns from a commercial and injuries from performing. The drug that killed him was used only to help him sleep - so that he may perform and support all of the people that constantly depended on him. You would have had to have walked in his shoes. And you do not know that he abused anyone. His kids wouldn't love and support his memory the way they do if he had been abusing them.
Originally Posted by asugirl

Yes, his kids probably would love and support his memory if he abused them. That's how CSA seems to work...the abused feel more guilty than the abuser and are so confused and damaged that they often can't even admit to the abuse til many years later. And even then, many victims still love their abusers.

You are correct that Robson didn't testify as a child. My mistake. He did deny abuse to prosecutors and investigators when he was still a child though, back in the early 90's...when he was still in an active inappropriate relationship with MJ.

Pain killer addiction is no different than any other drug addiction. And the "help him sleep" thing is bullsh1t. He was an addict of the worst sort...the kind with enough money to indulge his every whim for the most exotic drugs imaginable. Only MJ would be bizarre and rich enough to abuse general anesthesia...the holy grail of the junkie.
No one takes propophyl to sleep. I got it for my jaw surgery.... it isn't a nothing drug. (side note: I didn't need hard drugs to deal with the pain after a broken jaw. I took children's tylenol. So, the idea that propophyl is a "sleeping" medication is totally not logical.)

You do it because you are a junkie.

He may have started as a person dealing with a burn, but it turned him into a junkie.

But have fun with your rose tinted glasses.

(I like his music, but I'm not foolish enough to believe that he was anything more than a junkie who sang good songs. Of which there are plenty to look to in the music industry.)
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