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Old 06-21-2013, 05:48 AM   #1
 
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The AMA has declared that obesity is a disease. What does that mean now? More insurance coverage? If it's a disease, does it mean it can be disabling (i.e. eligible for SSI)? Boards I'm on are really blowing up over this....
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Yes...yes it is.
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If labeling it a "disease" is going to reduce its rate of occurrence and help find a cure, then let's label it a disease. Whatever needs to be done.
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I also think it may be so that more people get help because insurance might cover it. However this does not guarantee that as the org does not have that kind of authority. I jut think it might help. Sure would live help with my WW bill. (And I am one on the side of it's as much a disease -and tied to- as any addiction and/or mental disorder.)
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It doesn't seem to me that it is a disease, but definitions of disease vary widely.

However, if labeling it that way helps people get insurance coverage, I'm all for defining it that way.
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The AMA has declared that obesity is a disease. What does that mean now? More insurance coverage? If it's a disease, does it mean it can be disabling (i.e. eligible for SSI)? Boards I'm on are really blowing up over this....
What are they blowing up over? I don't understand.
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when i read the story on CNN, i took a scroll through the comments below.

bad idea....

not a single one showed any compassion or understanding, all were some variation of "stop stuffing yourself and work out".

i wouldn't be surprized if that's happening everywhere this is under discussion.

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The AMA has declared that obesity is a disease. What does that mean now? More insurance coverage? If it's a disease, does it mean it can be disabling (i.e. eligible for SSI)? Boards I'm on are really blowing up over this....
What are they blowing up over? I don't understand.
Folks saying crap like "it's not a disease, just back away from the table". That started the others fussing. Then one person talked about the drain on society they're being and will be even more so if folks start getting SSI for being fat. The civil folks expressed that it being a disease will be a cop-out for folks who could do better.
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when i read the story on CNN, i took a scroll through the comments below.

bad idea....

not a single one showed any compassion or understanding, all were some variation of "stop stuffing yourself and work out".

i wouldn't be surprized if that's happening everywhere this is under discussion.

I think that saying eat less and exercise is the cure for obesity is like saying the way to end teen-age pregnancy is to tell the teens not have sex. It's just not that simple. How sad that more folks - obese or not - don't understand that.
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No argument with anything anyone has said here, but still don't see how in most cases it is a "disease." Am I taking the definition too literally? What about Sumo wrestlers and others who choose to be obese for whatever reasons? Can a person be obese and not be ill?
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The AMA has declared that obesity is a disease. What does that mean now? More insurance coverage? If it's a disease, does it mean it can be disabling (i.e. eligible for SSI)? Boards I'm on are really blowing up over this....
What are they blowing up over? I don't understand.
Folks saying crap like "it's not a disease, just back away from the table". That started the others fussing. Then one person talked about the drain on society they're being and will be even more so if folks start getting SSI for being fat. The civil folks expressed that it being a disease will be a cop-out for folks who could do better.
The interesting thing about that thinking is that obese people are already a drain on society in the ways those people are talking about. Who do they think is paying for care for all the resulting diseases? It's crazy that we're willing to pay for medications for diabetes and high cholesterol but we can't cough a small fraction of that amount to pay for a nutritionist or exercise consultant. And god forbid we help these sloths with diet medications because that makes it easier to get past something that's their own damn fault.
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My father was in the percentile of "morbidly obese" when alive, and it was absolutely a disease, in his case. He had a deeply rooted eating disorder that stemmed from a bad and often impoverished childhood, and Vietnam. According to family members, he had the eating disorder long before his metabolism slowed and he started putting on weight. Then came diabetes, and it was determined the cause was exposure to agent orange in his case. Of course is eating disorder did not help. The last 10 years of his life his legs stayed swollen 4 times his normal size, and covered in diabetic sores. He could not exercise if he wanted.

There are always many contributing factors. I think it is hard to say obesity is a disease, in every single case, but I think it's safe to say it is in several.

I wonder what type of insurance regulations will be put in place now, while diagnosing and treating the disease.
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Can a person be obese and not be ill?
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i have none of the problems supposedly associated with obesity.
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I think diseases can led to obesity or cause obesity, but i dont think obesity itself is disease. I do think more things should be made available to help people maintain healthy lifestyles and diets. it shouldnt be cheaper to buy unhealthy foods instead of healthy food. fresh whole foods should be made available to everyone. If everyone had access to healthcare the whole obesity issue facing america would probably go down because people could go to the nutritionist, the right doctors, ect, to get the right information and can learn what is causing their weight. I had a friend who found out she had a tyroid problem. If she had insurance sooner she could had dealt with her medical problems and obesity sooner.

But honestly, will labeling it as a disease help people get access to help easier? drug addiction has been labled a disease and treatment is no easier to get. people rather kids go hungry, or die from illness if that will prevent them from having to pay out more money. i dont think they care much about people with obesity either.
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I think it can and cannot be a disease. Like there are genuine hereditary factors.

I've been sick for months (well years, but most recently more sick) because of medications they've put me on for epilepsy. It's made me nauseated and vomiting since March. I've lost approximately 5 pounds people. Five. I have joked before that I was sedentary and ate crap, but honestly, I ate good food with a really, really rare crap food thrown in because, let's face it...the healthy food wasn't helping me lose weight, was it? I did yoga, I walked, it was vigorous exercise.

I ate fruits, veggies, healthy food and not the store bought kind, the kind I made for myself (my SIL is a physician's assistant who specializes in nutrition, my brother works in public health specializing with childhood obesity, we've got the knowledge needed to try and fix obesity in our family, but it still runs rampant), my scale didn't budge. When I got sick and couldn't keep food down, the only thing I could keep down was ginger ale and still my scale didn't budge. I didn't and couldn't eat more than a couple bites of food a day for months and my scale didn't budge.

I'm pretty sure that obesity can be termed a disease for some people. It's not because I sit and stuff my face and have no self control and can't push myself away from the table. I know portion size, I manage my portions. Until recently, I was very active and nothing helped my weight.

I think it's a good and not so good thing for them to declare obesity as a disease. I don't want it as a crutch. It's something I have to live with as well as all my other health problems. I got the genetic lottery of all the health problems in the family, obesity is the least of my worries (and no, the medical problems are not related or caused by obesity. Some might improve by losing weight, but like I've said, that isn't really happening no matter what I do, so it's a moot point).
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SunshineGrrl, thanks for your post.

I know a lot of people who eat right, exercise and still can't lose weight. So instead they've decided to be the healthiest they can with out worrying about the size of their clothes. In their case, labeling obesity a disease is just fat shaming. Since you can not tell someone's health by how they look, I'd like to know how they are deciding someone has the "obese" disease. Is it by BMI? Are we going to tell nearly every professional athlete they have the obesity disease?

If you want to treat disease then treat disease, get a fact-based medical diagnosis and treat it.

If I walked into my Dr's office and she started prescribing me diabetes meds, HPB meds, cholesterol meds all by how I looked with out drawing one single drop of blood I'd walk out. And rightly so, because you can't diagnose illness by looking at someone. "Obesity" is not a diagnosis.

True story: My sister when she was a teenager was "diagnosed" by an actual medical Dr with "hand and mouth" disease. ie she's only overweight because she's a greedy lazy good for nothing. Flash forward a few years she had PCOS, a tumor on her pituitary gland which all lead to untreated type II diabetes.

Dr's discriminate against fat people, I feel like this obesity disease will make it easier to continue that.
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The AMA has declared that obesity is a disease. What does that mean now? More insurance coverage? If it's a disease, does it mean it can be disabling (i.e. eligible for SSI)? Boards I'm on are really blowing up over this....
What are they blowing up over? I don't understand.
Well I've seen a lot of "fat people are just lazy". Which says to me they've never been much overweight.
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No argument with anything anyone has said here, but still don't see how in most cases it is a "disease." Am I taking the definition too literally? What about Sumo wrestlers and others who choose to be obese for whatever reasons? Can a person be obese and not be ill?
I'm obese. If you saw me you probably wouldn't say I was. I eat healthier than most people. Still I have to go to WW. and this time I have to stay. I know how to eat. I know what to do. But when I get away from support I go up. But I can afford it. Just barely. Many cannot. To me it is like being an alcoholic in ways. Indeed my feelings. I know I do. I have pressures with an elderly parent and no support network. And while the smart me says "you can control what you eat" the hurt me is very powerful and I return too making bad choices. Anyhow. It's just that its not as easy as people make out and it's not just about being lazy. There is even very much science to prove that hedonistic eating is baked into us and therefore it's always a struggle.
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Can a person be obese and not be ill?
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i have none of the problems supposedly associated with obesity.
Me either. Yet. But there is just about no guarantee we won't. When you think about it how many elderly obese people do you see?
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Actually, I have seen quite a few overweight/obese (how is this being defined?) in different cities.
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