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FFS!!!!!

When will people stop believing that animals care about them and their children in the same way they do and endangering their children with this fairytale belief? Allowing your child to ride on a dog's back like a horse??? I'm sorry this child had to pay the ultimate price for his family's utter lack of common sense and blatant stupidity. What I'm not sorry about is that his family now have to live with the memory and gravity of their collective idiocy for life. It should never have been allowed to happen, but because it was, those who should be suffering--those responsible--are now and will for life, even as time diminishes the pain and heals the wound.

Though I post this without malicious intent, I don't care who gets upset that I've posted this story, I don't care what turn this convo takes, and I won't be back to participate in it. Hell, under the new regime, I even expect that it will be deleted or that I will be suspended for 3 days...which is fine...I'm here so rarely, I won't even notice. I've simply posted it as a PSA cautionary tale/reminder as to what can happen when humans blur the line between themselves and their animals and give their animals far too much credit and freedom. Posting stories like this is a necessary "evil" because so many seem to forget or deny the clear and present danger that some animals present. Even if only a few people see this, it was worth the effort of posting--hopefully it will be seen by those people who still think it's ok to fully entrust their babies' lives to their dogs--placing the baby in the dog's face for photo ops--no, it's really not cute.

Note the use of the same language that you've read in countless other similar stories and by other dog lovers (here at nc.com, too)..."best friend"...protector of our children...never showed any sign.... Do I get that all dogs won't attack your child? Of course. Is it worth the risk? Do you really have to even ask that?

Yeah, yeah, I know...not YOUR dog.
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Last edited by Honeycurls; 06-21-2013 at 08:15 AM.
Ok the problem here? Not treating the dog correctly or with respect and boundaries. This isn't about treating the dog like your child. It's about not teaching your kid how to behave with animals. Sorry please redirect your ire. ( I do not own dogs btw but I grew up with them and knew NOT TO TREAT THEM LIKE A Freaking HORSE).
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thank you.for posting this, I get frustrated at dog owners sometimes, they act as if the dog is a human who would never harm their child. I get that you love your dog, I love my bfs family dog. but at the same time, he's not allowed in the same room as my baby. dogs are dangerous, even loving dogs have a temper, just like humans, and can lose it. and kids are kids, they do stuff like ride on backs and pull tails without understanding it can hurt and upset the dog. so keep them seperate. I just dont trust dogs amd kids together, ive known 2 kids killed by dog attack. one a 2 month old baby mauled by her father's dog while he used the bathroom, the other a 5 year old just going to play at a friends home, poor boy barely made it into the yard before the family dog attacked. and of course both times the owners said "he never was dangerous before, he loved kids, I dont know how this happened"
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Ok the problem here? Not treating the dog correctly or with respect and boundaries. This isn't about treating the dog like your child. It's about not teaching your kid how to behave with animals. Sorry please redirect your ire. ( I do not own dogs btw but I grew up with them and knew NOT TO TREAT THEM LIKE A Freaking HORSE).
Originally Posted by chupie
I think you and HoneyCurls are saying the same thing, just in different ways.
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I think it serves as a good reminder; ppl can be idiots, esp when it comes to their dogs. Yes, ppl need to use more caution and common sense when integrating dogs into their human families. Dogs aren't capable of reason in the same way adult humans are. Nor are they capable of speech to tell us if they are annoyed, angry, feeling threatened, crazy, whatever.
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I don't know one dog owner (and I know a couple who think of their dogs as human... so annoying) that would leave their dog alone with a child.

Not one.

Parents need to realize that a pet is a pet and a child is a child.
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Any call of an animal attack on a child that has came into my office has always been a family pet. It's never been a random dog. It's always been "unexpected" and the animal is typically found in deplorable conditions. Luckily, none have been fatal, but many would have if officers had not arrived on scene in the nick of time and managed to distract the dog and put it down. That is why I don't get as torn our of frame, as many do, when they hear about officers shooting animals. I wish that more would try other things when the animal is showing aggressive (or scared) behavior but not attacking (I am glad classes are being offered on this now), but I also understand the number of them who have witnessed a child being torn apart... and what that does to them.

People do need to teach their children how to behave around a dog. They need to be taught how to pet softly, be gentle, etc. Sadly, many just don't care. The adults mistreat them themselves or allow them to be mistreated, and often you get a tragic but natural reaction when the animal has simply had enough.
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Any call of an animal attack on a child that has came into my office has always been a family pet. It's never been a random dog. It's always been "unexpected" and the animal is typically found in deplorable conditions. Luckily, none have been fatal, but many would have if officers had not arrived on scene in the nick of time and managed to distract the dog and put it down. That is why I don't get as torn our of frame, as many do, when they hear about officers shooting animals. I wish that more would try other things when the animal is showing aggressive (or scared) behavior but not attacking (I am glad classes are being offered on this now), but I also understand the number of them who have witnessed a child being torn apart... and what that does to them.

People do need to teach their children how to behave around a dog. They need to be taught how to pet softly, be gentle, etc. Sadly, many just don't care. The adults mistreat them themselves or allow them to be mistreated, and often you get a tragic but natural reaction when the animal has simply had enough.
Originally Posted by Fifi.G
Some get aggressive w/o any mistreatment. They feel threatened by or jealous of small children. Or who knows why...
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Any call of an animal attack on a child that has came into my office has always been a family pet. It's never been a random dog. It's always been "unexpected" and the animal is typically found in deplorable conditions. Luckily, none have been fatal, but many would have if officers had not arrived on scene in the nick of time and managed to distract the dog and put it down. That is why I don't get as torn our of frame, as many do, when they hear about officers shooting animals. I wish that more would try other things when the animal is showing aggressive (or scared) behavior but not attacking (I am glad classes are being offered on this now), but I also understand the number of them who have witnessed a child being torn apart... and what that does to them.

People do need to teach their children how to behave around a dog. They need to be taught how to pet softly, be gentle, etc. Sadly, many just don't care. The adults mistreat them themselves or allow them to be mistreated, and often you get a tragic but natural reaction when the animal has simply had enough.
Originally Posted by Fifi.G
Some get aggressive w/o any mistreatment. They feel threatened by or jealous of small children. Or who knows why...
Originally Posted by spiderlashes5000
That can be true as well, and not just children. A woman I know was bitten by her family pet of 10 years just a few days ago. It is a small dog, but she took out a chunk of her arm, it is infected, and the dog is now in holding at a vets office. The woman is in her 70's, and her grandson (who lives with her) just brought in a large dog. They beliebe other dog is jealous, and upset and the larger dog may have played too rough with her. They are checking her to make sure she does not have anything else going on, because she has never behaved like this. I don't know what might happen to the dog. I would hate to see her put down. She belonged to my deceased co worker. That was his buddy, but she can't be attacking people either.
When I hear terms like "hipster" I think, who told cliques they could leave high school??

There is always a problem with their home lives if a family pet attacks. Feeling threatened comes from somewhere. Being jealous is not having a balanced relationship with your pet.

The owners almost always have set the stage for a pet to attack.
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Fifi, reminded me that older dogs with undiagnosed brain tumors also "flip a switch" and attack with no previous knowledge.

So I revise my previous comment. Sometimes there are medical issues that a pet may have that make them attack or be vicious un-necessarily. I don't think they are the rule though. I believe them to be exceptions.

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There is always a problem with their home lives if a family pet attacks. Feeling threatened comes from somewhere. Being jealous is not having a balanced relationship with your pet.

The owners almost always have set the stage for a pet to attack.
Originally Posted by Curlyminx
I had a dog that became aggressive when I had a baby. Growling, fur standing on end and lip curled. There was no problem in my home. My dog just resented the baby. It's a pretty common thing.
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He resented your baby probably because you treated him like a baby.

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Fifi, reminded me that older dogs with undiagnosed brain tumors also "flip a switch" and attack with no previous knowledge.

So I revise my previous comment. Sometimes there are medical issues that a pet may have that make them attack or be vicious un-necessarily. I don't think they are the rule though. I believe them to be exceptions.
Originally Posted by Curlyminx
Yeah, I am glad they are having her checked. The owner did nothing that she has not done a million times before. She picked her up, and Buttons just flipped. I think she is 12. They want to make sure nothing is medically wrong. She could be upset about the new dog. It's been almost 2 years since her owners death and she took that very hard. My dads death devastated my moms cats. They throw up if she stays gone longer than normal now. It scares them to death, and can really mess them up.

A new animal in the house could have really bothered her, or it could have been too rough with her. Idk. There are a few options, but I do stand by what I said with the attacks in my county. Most have been in very bad conditions.
When I hear terms like "hipster" I think, who told cliques they could leave high school??

One of the attack calls I took involved a 4 year old who was allowed to play in the back yard with large dog that had been trained and treated to be a guard/attack dog. It was on a chain, so they thought it was safe. They had let the child play in the back yard with it before. He wondered too close and...

The other... Bad. Bad, bad, bad. The children in that house were not treated any better than the animals. That boy will never be the same.
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He resented your baby probably because you treated him like a baby.
Originally Posted by Curlyminx
Well, I think I treated him like lots of other dog owners treat their dogs. Certainly not w/ neglect or mistreatment or in a way the average person would associate w/ unprovoked aggression.
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He resented your baby probably because you treated him like a baby.
Originally Posted by Curlyminx
Well, I think I treated him like lots of other dog owners treat their dogs. Certainly not w/ neglect or mistreatment or in a way the average person would associate w/ unprovoked aggression.
Originally Posted by spiderlashes5000
Definitely! The most common dog owner finds that they have problems like this. But it doesn't mean that its the dog's issue. It is a problem that all of us pet owners encounter. We love them so much and want them to be happy, sometimes at their expense.

But we need to keep our eyes on the ball. Pets are animals. They can only be animals. No matter how much we love them, they are animals. Children are children. They need to be taught the proper way to play with pets and parents and pet owners need to be vigilant. Especially when changes in the home occur.

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I love my dogs. However I know that they cannot "reason" which is why they are animals. Owners need to remember this and teach kids how to treat dogs. Also like a previous poster said a medical issues can cause a change in behavior. However I disagree that dogs don't care about their owners( I may have misread this part of the original post). There are different stories of dogs saving their owners from death. Me personally their have been times when I have been upset and crying and Sophie will come lick my face and lay right next to me until I calm down and she'll stay right there and fall asleep or move and go back to being a dog.
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