Zimmerman Trial Gone to Jury

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It's just been this trend, over the years, where the suspicion of others is through the roof. I spend time reading statistics from other centers, all over the US, and the distrust level is at paranoia.
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And that fear is backed up by easily available guns.


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Originally Posted by yossarian
Exactly. Trayvon was the one who "stood his ground." He just didn't have a gun. Although if he had, and had shot and killed Zimmerman, he would in all likelihood be behind bars right now.
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I don't agree with all the riots going on. That is just wrong and they are making fools of themselves. Saw it on the news tonight. I'm not sure where it was - I think Oakland where a gang of african americans attacked a minivan and broke the windows. WTF? What did the mini van do to them?? It's getting out of hand now. You know... life isn't fair alot of the time but you just deal the best you can and hopefully in a civilized way.
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A gang of AA(blacks) was it truly a gang?? I'm leaving it at that....
Originally Posted by gagirl09
Just quoting for posterity...

...And wondering how it's possible that I'm suddenly in a "gang" every time I attend my 90% black church...

...or perform at a gospel festival/function...

...or eat at a soul food restaurant...

...or, heaven forbid, attend a family reunion.
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I think the prosecution threw the case. It was like they weren't even trying to win, so unfortunately, I'm not surprised by the verdict
Originally Posted by scrills
They threw it when they failed to put a single Black person in the jury box.

And, although I think Zimmerman will suffer, i also wonder how many people are happy and will support him. SMH
Originally Posted by scrills
It was rather amusing to read FB status updates from Black vs White FB friends this wknd.

A few White friends expressed mild disappointment or surprise at the verdit, and left it at that. But most White friends' posts were totally unrelated to this case...as if it wasn't happening.

I had only one White friend who was yammering about the F$*%(^) NAACP trying to "turn this thing into a race war." But from what I understand, many White ppl had that reaction.

But Black friends were crying and hollering and praying and philosophizing and quoting African proverbs and writing letters to their unborn children and changing their profile pics and organizing boycotts and withdrawing their savings from banks and on and on.
Originally Posted by spiderlashes5000
Many white people who actually disagree with the verdict and who even go so far to believe that Trayvon was profiled believe that ultimately Zimmerman got off on an unfortunate "technicality." I'm trying to explain that the "technicality" wouldn't have worked in his favor if he were black... that's the way the justice system often goes but they just do. not. seem. to. get. it.

If Trayvon were white he wouldn't have been followed in the first place, and an ARMED BLACK MAN following a white teenager in a neighborhood AGAINST the recommendation of the police and then shooting him dead?? Are you ****ing kidding me? He would've been arrested RIGHT AWAY, not weeks later after public outcry, and DEFINITELY found guilty of manslaughter if not second degree murder.

But that's what happens when you live in your white bubble and you don't read and you don't keep up with the news and you don't read blogs or a variety of material written on race by POC (just don't keep up with the conversation in general) and you yourself have never been profiled nor do you know anyone who has been profiled.

You talk about racial profiling to these people and you might as well be talking about unicorns because it's something they've heard of but never seen nor experienced so they don't even know it's real.

Damn people, get some perspective!!!! It doesn't cost a damned thing!
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But that's what happens when you live in your white bubble and you don't read and you don't keep up with the news and you don't read blogs or a variety of material written on race by POC (just don't keep up with the conversation in general) and you yourself have never been profiled nor do you know anyone who has been profiled.

You talk about racial profiling to these people and you might as well be talking about unicorns because it's something they've heard of but never seen nor experienced so they don't even know it's real.

Damn people, get some perspective!!!! It doesn't cost a damned thing!
Originally Posted by wavydaze
Or theg simply don't WANT to know because it runs counter to their self-interest.

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This has been all over the news today, like it makes everything ok.

George Zimmerman helped rescue four people in wrecked SUV just days after murder acquittal, officials say | National Post
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With or without the SUV story, let's face it: this is a man who will be looking over his shoulder for the rest of his life. That's the problem for a racist of color who shot someone to death, regardless of the trial outcome.

Switching subjects: I know we all have our opinions when it comes to the outcome of the trial, but for the record, here's one of the things that really haunts me: five of the jurors were white, one was Latino, and the defendant was Latino. No black jurors.
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With or without the SUV story, let's face it: this is a man who will be looking over his shoulder for the rest of his life. That's the problem for a racist of color who shot someone to death, regardless of the trial outcome.

Switching subjects: I know we all have our opinions when it comes to the outcome of the trial, but for the record, here's one of the things that really haunts me: five of the jurors were white, one was Latino, and the defendant was Latino. No black jurors.
Originally Posted by Korkscrew
That makes no sense to me either. I also don't understand how there were no men on the jury either. Although GZ is physically a man of color, I think that his father's standing puts him in the realm of white privilege. I think that is why this is treated as a crime of "racist white person profiles unarmed black male."

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Yeah, you're right about them being all women. And the Latina one could have imagined a hypothetical son of hers when looking at GZ. You know, a hypothetical son in danger of going to prison.

Can you say more about how you think his father's standing might have led to white privilege? I've never seen anyone who looks as "minority" as him being able to benefit from white privilege.
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Can you say more about how you think his father's standing might have led to white privilege? I've never seen anyone who looks as "minority" as him being able to benefit from white privilege.
Originally Posted by Korkscrew
His father was a magistrate judge in Virginia, which IMHO helped him tremendously when GZ got into his brushes with the law. Had he not been insulated by his father's standing, he might not have been so belligerent in his self-appointed neighborhood cop role. This has more to do with social status and "insider" perks than race though.

In terms of the Trayvon case, it came down to a clearly black victim versus a killer of ambiguous race. Putting GZ's father on the stand served only one purpose: to remind jurors that GZ is half-white.

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Yeah, you're right about them being all women. And the Latina one could have imagined a hypothetical son of hers when looking at GZ. You know, a hypothetical son in danger of going to prison.

Can you say more about how you think his father's standing might have led to white privilege? I've never seen anyone who looks as "minority" as him being able to benefit from white privilege.
Originally Posted by Korkscrew
But does he really look latino? I honestly don't see latin looking at him, I see a darker toned white man. I never woulda guessed he was mixed race if his father hadn't said anything. I don't think we should be so quick to claim him as a person of color. This is a man who speaks no Spanish, according to the molested cousin, has never been to peru amd knows nothing of Peruvian culture. His Spanish mother wanted him raised white, so that's how they did it. Latino is a ethnicity, not a race. So since he was born in the u.s and knows nothing of his Peruvian heritage, I feel weird assigning him this ethnicity just because it suits him right now. He has lived white, so he is white, to me.


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Yeah, you're right about them being all women. And the Latina one could have imagined a hypothetical son of hers when looking at GZ. You know, a hypothetical son in danger of going to prison.

Can you say more about how you think his father's standing might have led to white privilege? I've never seen anyone who looks as "minority" as him being able to benefit from white privilege.
Originally Posted by Korkscrew
But does he really look latino? I honestly don't see latin looking at him, I see a darker toned white man. I never woulda guessed he was mixed race if his father hadn't said anything. I don't think we should be so quick to claim him as a person of color. This is a man who speaks no Spanish, according to the molested cousin, has never been to peru amd knows nothing of Peruvian culture. His Spanish mother wanted him raised white, so that's how they did it. Latino is a ethnicity, not a race. So since he was born in the u.s and knows nothing of his Peruvian heritable, I feel weird assigning him this ethnicity just because it suits him right now. He has lived white, so he is white, to me.


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Originally Posted by naturaldoll
I don't think a person can really look Latino...but yes, I think he looks like a POC. That doesn't invalidate the theory that he racially profiled TM, tho. POC can profile, too.
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Last edited by spiderlashes5000; 07-23-2013 at 09:13 AM.
Thanks Yossarian for explaining.

@NaturalDoll - IMO GZ is clearly not white. Maybe some people would look at him and see part white, but he doesn't even look like a white Hispanic to me. Many Hispanics in America don't speak Spanish, especially those whose families have been in the US for three generations or more. However, I get the feeling that GZ views himself as white and doesn't deal with the issues that men with his skin color, including non-black, have to deal with on a regular basis with being profiled by police and social stigma.

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I do think non-whites can have white privledge. Money and fame are just two of the things that can make that happen. There is a book about it a similiar subject. It's called "How the Irish became White". It's funny how the title seems almost silly to us now
I'm half Hungarian and half Mexican. I have white privilege. Just because I don't have the privilege of the blonde with blue eyed girl, doesn't mean that I don't have it.

And I totally agree with Scrills that
non-whites can have white privledge. Money and fame are just two of the things that can make that happen.
I've worked for latino law firms (as in, they are mostly hispanic firms with hispanic partners) and I can tell you that there is definitely something to that.

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I kind of think it doesn't matter what GZ looked like. It just mattered Trayvon looked black. And stood his own ground.
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Originally Posted by CurlyCanadian

Zimmerman jumping in to play cop? Not surprising. That's kinda what he does

His father was a magistrate judge in Virginia, which IMHO helped him tremendously when GZ got into his brushes with the law. Had he not been insulated by his father's standing, he might not have been so belligerent in his self-appointed neighborhood cop role. This has more to do with social status and "insider" perks than race though.
Originally Posted by yossarian
Thanks! This actually makes sense. I mistakenly thought you were inferring that GZ, just because his father was white (and regardless of his dad's influence), had benefitted from white privilege. That I just don't see. But I say this as someone who sees GZ as looking "other" rather than "white". And as someone who, like him, is half-Ashkenazi (white, Jewish), he doesn't hit me as looking Ashenazi either. Fun little factoid: At that well-known and somewhat controversial site Jewornotjew.com, they have GZ listed as not a Jew. But it's not just that. On a scale from 1-10, he's one of the few people rated 1. They claim he is just Hispanic (yeah: that's just linguistic nomenclature), and Catholic. Some of the company he keeps in the 1 category: Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Ed Jew (an East Asian), Muammar Gaddafi, The Holy Ghost and ALF. A few white gentiles are listed too.

In terms of the Trayvon case, it came down to a clearly black victim versus a killer of ambiguous race. Putting GZ's father on the stand served only one purpose: to remind jurors that GZ is half-white.
I agree about putting GZ's father on the stand for this effect. It reminds me of Obama's mother; how the media often showed a pic of the two of them, or a pic of Obama and his grandparents. As if to say, "Here's a candidate you can feel familiar with, white folks. Here's a candidate you can trust." ... to appease those borderline racists or whatever.

Thing is, I've seen too many people discriminate against people who look like Obama or who look like GZ. (Latinos singing the American anthem always suffer an Amerikkkan response. Just happened again recently.) So was the Trayvon case a matter of the "house negro" going up against the "field negro"? And I wonder, if GZ had been ambiguously biracial black/white, w/a white Jewish father and judge, would the media still have still presented this whole thing as "black against white"?
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I'm half Hungarian and half Mexican. I have white privilege. Just because I don't have the privilege of the blonde with blue eyed girl, doesn't mean that I don't have it.
Originally Posted by Curlyminx
I think the idea of "white privilege" is a dubious one. "White privilege" isn't always available to one person in every context. Because, while I can relate with you re: getting treated better by whites than some others, you or I might not stand a chance up against a mono-racially white person w/blond hair in various social and vocational contexts. GZ, juxtaposed with TM, looks like a hero to some white people, but GZ probably has been called a s**c outside of the courtroom, possibly by the same sorts who consider him a hero. If Trayvon had been white, suddenly GZ would have been called a s**c daily, round the clock. The brother probably would have been erroneously labled a "Mexican", suffering all the usual stereotypes.

In the US, unless you are a mono-racially white male who is sexually straight, well-educated and well-off, not short in stature, and with no noticeable psychological or physical handicaps or deformities, Christian, and are average-to-good looking (and younger rather than older), you stand to suffer some sort of discrimination.

For those of us who are "racially ambiguous", white privilege is relative and it can be lost as quickly as it is gained, depending on the situation. This is the kind of fact that should help sober up people who have some sort of irrational belief they are beyond discrimination or even suffering the Trayvon treatment. Even the "ideal" white privileged man described above finds himself profiled and treated with contempt at times, because of the negative things many people feel he represents, and because he's in the numerical minority of people in this country who enjoy a disproportionate amount of wealth and status.
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I don't think anyone here is trying to say that GZ is white and gets the privledge that every straight, white man gets. In this situation, it was a non-black against a black and GZ got the benefit of not being black.

Privledge is a sliding scale.
Very much a sliding scale. I thought I was illustrating that with my post, but I guess not.
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