Zimmerman Trial Gone to Jury

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Originally Posted by chupie
Shut up!!!! I thought they would keep themselves anonymous for ever!
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I am also extremely surprised there were no black women/men on the jurly. It just seems odd given the circumstances.
Originally Posted by Josephine
I was surprised there were no men. I would have thought the defense would have really fought that.
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Not if there's some money to be made.....
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My issue with the self-defense angle is that it's all about Zimmerman defending himself. What about the kid walking home from the store that was approached my an armed man. Defending himself got him killed.

I agree that they may have had a better chance with involuntary manslaughter

I believe the NRA is supporting Zimmerman
Not if there's some money to be made.....
Originally Posted by Lotsawaves
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My issue with the self-defense angle is that it's all about Zimmerman defending himself. What about the kid walking home from the store that was approached my an armed man. Defending himself got him killed.

I agree that they may have had a better chance with involuntary manslaughter
Originally Posted by scrills
But who started the fight? I guess we'll never know. It was definitely wrong to be harassing someone for no reason other than being black. But does that he should beat him up and this guy is scared for his life so takes out the gun. Did he have to shoot it? Was it enough to threaten or was he not able to think clearly? There's too many unknowns for me which is why I'm not surprised by the verdict.

Here in Atlanta, a guy walked out a club and got jumped by 3 or 4 guys near his car. He took out a gun for defending himself, didn't shoot it and got arrested and the other guys didn't. That seems wrong to me. I wonder if it would be different if he were a woman.
I thought it was odd that there were all women on the jury. I didn't realize there weren't anyone of African ancestry. Were there any people with dark skin? What is wrong with the prosecution?

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Zimmerman started the fight.

If I am taking on the phone and eating snacks, I'm talking on the phone and eating snacks, not starting fights

If an armed man comes up to me, the armed man kinda started it.

If I tell the person I'm on the phone with that a man is following me and I'm afraid, yes, I am afraid and may become defensive.

I'm not saying that Trayvon never threw a punch or defended himself, but why is there so much regard for zimmerman, but none that Trayvon might have been afraid too.

HE WAS A CHILD BEING APPROACHED BY A MAN!

At the end of the day. NONE of this would have happened if Zimmerman wasn't taking matters in his own hands
I thought it was odd that there were all women on the jury. I didn't realize there weren't anyone of African ancestry. Were there any people with dark skin? What is wrong with the prosecution?

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Originally Posted by multicultcurly
They were throwing the case
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Zimmerman started the fight.

If I am taking on the phone and eating snacks, I'm talking on the phone and eating snacks, not starting fights

If an armed man comes up to me, the armed man kinda started it.

If I tell the person I'm on the phone with that a man is following me and I'm afraid, yes, I am afraid and may become defensive.

I'm not saying that Trayvon never threw a punch or defended himself, but why is there so much regard for zimmerman, but none that Trayvon might have been afraid too.

HE WAS A CHILD BEING APPROACHED BY A MAN!

At the end of the day. NONE of this would have happened if Zimmerman wasn't taking matters in his own hands
Originally Posted by scrills
I totally agree, but did he start the physical fight?

The prosecution really messed up and went after the wrong charges based on facts they had IMO.
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I didn't follow the case very closely but from what I've heard, it was self defense and I figured they would come back with a not guilty verdict. There was no proof that it wasn't, right? I think the most important part was that they were not able to identify who was screaming on the 911 call. It seems the prosecution was harping on the fact that zimmerman was racist which is besides the point. It doesn't prove that he shot him for no reason.

I also was confused by the definition of manslaughter until I looked up. I'm guessing they meant voluntary manslaughter? Because I don't see how it's not involuntary manslaughter.

I am also extremely surprised there were no black women/men on the jurly. It just seems odd given the circumstances.
Originally Posted by Josephine
No, I think they tried to downplay the race angle. So as to win it "fair and square" on the merits. Why, IDK, bc race is a big part of this; TM was racially profiled. It was just a hard case to prove. Without eye witnesses, it was GZ's word against...Rachel Jenteal's. And the prosecution team just didn't prepare her adequately. She didn't help the prosecution at all.
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That man did not get "beat up" if a person is on u beating u up u would have face injuries indicative of being hit n the face. He had scratches on the back of his head.

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Saw this on FB and thought it was a good read...

Dear George Zimmerman,

For the rest of your life you are now going to feel what its like to be a black man in America.

You will feel people stare at you. Judging you for what you think are unfair reasons. You will lose out on getting jobs for something you feel is outside of your control. You will believe yourself to be an upstanding citizen and wonder why people choose to not see that.

People will cross the street when they see you coming. They will call you hurtful names. It will drive you so insane some days that you'll want to scream at the top of your lungs. But you will have to wake up the next day, put on firm look and push through life.

I bet you never thought that by shooting a black male you'd end up inheriting all of his struggles.

Enjoy your "freedom."

Sincerely,

A black male who could've been Trayvon Martin
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That man did not get "beat up" if a person is on u beating u up u would have face injuries indicative of being hit n the face. He had scratches on the back of his head.

How can I say goodbye P.L.G.
Originally Posted by B-Nessa11
I read he had a busted nose and the injuries to the back of his head were consistent to his head being slammed into the pavement.
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I thought it was odd that there were all women on the jury. I didn't realize there weren't anyone of African ancestry. Were there any people with dark skin? What is wrong with the prosecution?

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Originally Posted by multicultcurly
They were throwing the case
Originally Posted by scrills
I wonder about this too, especially after the post-verdict press conference. The woman representing the state prosecutors (don't know her name) went on and on, as if they had WON the case. To me, she seemed way too upbeat for someone whose team had lost a high-profile case. Florida never wanted to press charges against Zimmerman, and the governor very reluctantly agreed to do so only after the case generated national outrage. Since that same governor appointed the prosecutors, you can't help but think they were told to go easy on the defendant.

Also, throughout the trial, legal experts kept commenting on key issues that the prosecution was failing to address. They were especially critical of the weak closing argument, which failed to drive home the crucial facts of the case.
That man did not get "beat up" if a person is on u beating u up u would have face injuries indicative of being hit n the face. He had scratches on the back of his head.

How can I say goodbye P.L.G.
Originally Posted by B-Nessa11
I read he had a busted nose and the injuries to the back of his head were consistent to his head being slammed into the pavement.
Originally Posted by Lotsawaves
I think whatever his injuries were, are pretty much irrelevant. He pulled a gun on a KID. A kid with snacks in his hand. Not even a toy gun or something confusing in his hand. Candy and a drink.


Also have to remember, GZ was not the puffy dough boy that showed up at trial. He was 100lbs less and training to be a cop. Not a guy that couldn't defend himself against a teenager if he was being attacked. There was no need for the gun to ever come out.
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I wonder about this too, especially after the post-verdict press conference. The woman representing the state prosecutors (don't know her name) went on and on, as if they had WON the case. To me, she seemed way too upbeat for someone whose team had lost a high-profile case.
Originally Posted by yossarian
That was really weird, eh? She seemed almost jovial.
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There is no way NO way Zimmerman didn't draw that gun. Even IF TM was on top he'd have needed five hands and X-ray vision to 1)hold down. 2)punch and slam 3) cover GZs mouth 4) see and pull gun from holster behind GZs back UNDER him UNDER jacket IN holster all of which Zimmerman claims happened. That alone makes me disbelieve him.
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That man did not get "beat up" if a person is on u beating u up u would have face injuries indicative of being hit n the face. He had scratches on the back of his head.

How can I say goodbye P.L.G.
Originally Posted by B-Nessa11
I read he had a busted nose and the injuries to the back of his head were consistent to his head being slammed into the pavement.
Originally Posted by Lotsawaves
I think whatever his injuries were, are pretty much irrelevant. He pulled a gun on a KID. A kid with snacks in his hand. Not even a toy gun or something confusing in his hand. Candy and a drink.


Also have to remember, GZ was not the puffy dough boy that showed up at trial. He was 100lbs less and training to be a cop. Not a guy that couldn't defend himself against a teenager if he was being attacked. There was no need for the gun to ever come out.
Originally Posted by CurlyCanadian
CC...I was just responding to BNessa's comment. Whether it is relevant or not, I believe it should be accurate.

ETA: I was at Walgreen's yesterday and the check out person told me that President Obama wasn't happy with the verdict, so he is having them do a retrial. My fiance got all excited, because he is Republican and hates Obama. He called his dad when we got home to tell him and they started bashing Obama and how government shouldn't control this, etc, etc. I told him to wait until he hears this from the news before he believed it and not to just listen to Fox News. I heard this morning that there were people who were asking that Obama get involved. He isn't.
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Every person has a unique connection to the Creator that can never be extinguished, and every person has a great soul that can manifest important things in our world. To make a person feel less than they are because of something inside themselves, be it faith, race, or sexual orientation, is the greatest sin of all."

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