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OBB 08-19-2013 05:23 AM

Vietnamese teens fined for online bullying
 
three teens were fined almost 500$ each for bullying a young girls on FB. thats about 2 months salary for the average person and probably paid by the parents. there was another case where a young girl did suicide when classmates foto shopped her face on a nude body. i think the government is trying to nip this bullying in the bud but the fine is excessive i think.

Students in Danang fined for insulting girls on facebook | DTiNews - Dan Tri International, the news gateway of Vietnam

The New Black 08-19-2013 07:52 AM

Depending on how severe the bullying was I'm ok with the fine.

Lotsawaves 08-19-2013 09:14 AM

I don't see anything wrong with the fine. I think the parent's should somehow make the teens pay. Earning the money, community service, etc.

Fifi.G 08-19-2013 09:38 AM

I am glad they are doing something! I wish they would start something like that here. I do get what you are saying about the fine, given than it's 2 months salary and as you said, probably paid by the parents. It would be good if they could add some type of community service/work program where the teen had to work off most if not all of the fine themselves. I'm not opposed to a fine, but that's just mom and dad bailing them out, and won't teach the actual culprit that much of a lesson.

PerriP 08-19-2013 09:57 AM

working for a school district (specifically with student discipline), I think this is wonderful. Granted, the parents may have to pay and maybe the kids won't learn - but I see so many behaviors that if someone just said "NO, THIS IS NOT ACCEPTABLE IN OUR SOCIETY" and imposed some sort of consequence, the behaviors would decrease (well, okay, that's purely speculation on my part) - when it begins to affect the parents, they will make better parenting choices (IMO), and many, many, of the things I see our students do is a result of disengaged (or uneducated - by this I mean, they simply do not know how to parent) parents

spiderlashes5000 08-19-2013 11:00 AM

I think that was a stupid punishment.

All kids have the capacity to do wrong, no matter how well the parents raise them. That's childhood; you're growing, testing your boundaries, learning right from wrong, paying the consequences for your mistakes. Hitting the parents over the head w/ an exorbitant monetary fine for the kid's lapse in judgment not only does nothing to impress upon the kid the wrongness of his/her actions, it is hurting the entire family, including the younger kids, older siblings who may be in college, the grandparents who may live w/ them, etc.

Personally, I think a public shaming punishment really befits this type of transgression, as well as loss of privileges. A public apology would be nice, too.

Lotsawaves 08-19-2013 11:39 AM

Very good point, Spider.

OBB 08-19-2013 04:42 PM

i think the fine should be much smaller and community service would be proper punishment. in this culture of family honor public shaming might push these teens to extremes. on the other hand the fact that 60% of the population is under 30 and 85% is under 40 "honor" is not what it used to be. these numbers boggles my mind. the war pretty much wiped out an entire generization.

spiderlashes5000 08-19-2013 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by OBB (Post 2201293)
i think the fine should be much smaller and community service would be proper punishment. in this culture of family honor public shaming might push these teens to extremes. on the other hand the fact that 60% of the population is under 30 and 85% is under 40 "honor" is not what it used to be. these numbers boggles my mind. the war pretty much wiped out an entire generization.

What is an example of an honor shaming there? I was thinking of something like a sandwich board or an article in the school paper.

OBB 08-20-2013 02:31 AM

considering they didnt say who the bulliers were males or females and that viet females' reactions and consequences to being publicly shamed i would not go this route. take for example the three teens in the article. two tried to commit suicide and another left town. in this culture if a young woman is accused/rumored and publicly shamed she will have a difficult time finding a husband and pretty much have to leave her home town to start over with friends or relatives. its unfair and tragic.

Lotsawaves 08-20-2013 09:48 AM

So you're saying that since the bullies were found out and fined, two attempted suicide and one left town? I would think that if they knew the repercussions of their actions they never would have done this in the 1st place. I'm confused.

spiderlashes5000 08-20-2013 10:06 AM

The link to the article won't open for me so I couldn't read it.
What do you think a fair punishment would be?
Yeah, Asian culture is quite different, what w/ your concept of honor suicides and all. Americans are a totally shameless group.:snorting:

OBB 08-21-2013 04:38 PM

i dont think there is any honor in suicide and that we americans are shameless. i worry more for the young female viets who have it harder than their male counterparts. girls are expected to sacrifice more for the sake of the family. but with the low birthrate this way of thinking is slowly changing.

appropriate punishment would be a small fine and community service. a small fine would show that their actions have hurt their families financially. and im not talking just something as picking up garbage. for example boys would work at a battered women's shelter so they can see the results of violence towards females. or cooking and cleaning at a homeless shelter (something that viet men rarely do in the country). young girls could be placed at HIV center so maybe they can learn about the consequences of unprotected sex. it can all be interchangeable.


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