Move Over, Springcurl...I think I may have the weirdest neighbor...

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One side note... I wouldn't recommend the "my tax dollars pay your salary" argument with LEO or Emergency Services. That's not well received (if it's said or not) because we pay our salaries too.

Though that is typically reserved for the pampered sort who cuss you out and remind (read try to put you in your place) you that they pay your salary/are your boss when you refuse to send an officer to pick up their trash, in their yard, that a stray dog ripped into. It's amazing what falls under protect and serve to some people. They think serve = servant. When I'm here because I want to help people who need it. I'd say it having a stranger tell you that they pay your salary would not go over well with anyone.

This has been a PSA.
Originally Posted by Fifi.G
I didnt mean it in a derogatory way. My husband is a law enforcement officer and yes he works hard and really doesn't get paid enough for what he does. But many people are afraid of the cops or afraid to call them because they don't want to be thought of as annoying, troublemakers, or "tattletales". So I was just trying to point out that it is ok to contact them about this.

And to protect and serve is what they say in all of their pledges when they are sworn in.
Originally Posted by Ashleynicol

I know you didn't. I don't mean that in a jump on you kind of way. Just don't the people idea's. lol. They use that one enough as it is.
When I hear terms like "hipster" I think, who told cliques they could leave high school??

Not to upset you more but the DC Navy shooter had paranoid episodes including saying neighbors microwave was sending vibrations into his body through walls and such. Take any precautions to stay safe !!
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The article I just read said it was voices and vibrations in a wall, a few weeks ago, when he switched motels 3 times in one night. He kept calling the police and telling them about the voices and asking to file harassment charges on them. He was claiming he suffered from PTSD from clean up during 9/11, but no one has been able to confirm this. It also said he was a Navy Reservist, when other sources were saying a second party contractor earlier today.
When I hear terms like "hipster" I think, who told cliques they could leave high school??

http://abcnews.go.com/m/story?id=202....google.com%2F

Not to side track this thread in the slightest but police did speak with him (which is normal) take his statement and fax a copy to the Navy. Again, it was just a few weeks ago and things seemed conflicted. His friends said they knew he had PTSD from the military, his parents confirmed he was at ground zero, but he is on no list of people helping in the clean up. They would keep tabs on that, I would think. *Several Emergency Responders from my area went, along with several construction workers. Everyone I talked to had to sign in and report to people. If he was having issues then that no one was aware of... There is no way to tell* It's a safety issue. I'm wondering if they (the Navy) were sending him to speak to someone due to PTSD. That's a huge common in the Military.
When I hear terms like "hipster" I think, who told cliques they could leave high school??


Last edited by Fifi.G; 09-17-2013 at 09:04 PM.
Again Lotsa... At least report it. Let the authorities know. That doesn't mean she would be the type to do anything like this. There are far more cases where nothing violent happens. That is the truth. It's just best to let someone know.
When I hear terms like "hipster" I think, who told cliques they could leave high school??


One side note... I wouldn't recommend the "my tax dollars pay your salary" argument with LEO or Emergency Services. That's not well received (if it's said or not) because we pay our salaries too.

Though that is typically reserved for the pampered sort who cuss you out and remind (read try to put you in your place) you that they pay your salary/are your boss when you refuse to send an officer to pick up their trash, in their yard, that a stray dog ripped into. It's amazing what falls under protect and serve to some people. They think serve = servant. When I'm here because I want to help people who need it. I'd say it having a stranger tell you that they pay your salary would not go over well with anyone.

This has been a PSA.
Originally Posted by Fifi.G
I didnt mean it in a derogatory way. My husband is a law enforcement officer and yes he works hard and really doesn't get paid enough for what he does. But many people are afraid of the cops or afraid to call them because they don't want to be thought of as annoying, troublemakers, or "tattletales". So I was just trying to point out that it is ok to contact them about this.

And to protect and serve is what they say in all of their pledges when they are sworn in.
Originally Posted by Ashleynicol
Ashley, how frustrating is the lack of mental health care on your end? I imagine the nurses at our area hospitals have to get incredibly frustrated. We, typically, have much more contact with mental disorders than general hospital employees. They might have been talking to us and officers for quite some time before a family member agrees to commit, or at least attempt it. Over half are broken after hospital evaluation. Everyone has laws, rules, and criteria they have to follow and meet. You can't just snatch someone up, which all in all is a good thing. Add bed shortages, and the problems increase.

Meanwhile, I have several friends who are licensed therapists that were laid off and can not get employment.

Also, I know their job is to protect and serve. My job is to pick up the phone and send someone, or have someone call, or just document it, and sometimes just listen... depending on the situation and as long as it is something that requires emergency services. That is what we are here for. Many calls these days are complaints about utility companies, or like I mentioned earlier w/ trash in the yard, things that do not require assistance. It's progressively getting harder and harder. So many people dial 911 for the number to pizza hut (if you've seen The Call, the conversation about Turkey basting questions on Thanksgiving is accurate ) while so many others won't call when they need to. You are right, some are scared, and some flat out tell you that they don't want to get involved. I wish more people with actual emergencies/problems would pick up the phone, while others put it down.

If you ask me, Lotsa's complex should have called before now rather than moving this woman around to cause problems with someone new. It will happen every time.
When I hear terms like "hipster" I think, who told cliques they could leave high school??


Last edited by Fifi.G; 09-18-2013 at 05:16 AM.
Just look at these reports. 2008, 2011, 2013

http://www.tacreports.org/bedstudy

http://www.treatmentadvocacycenter.o...nal-alarm-bell

http://www.coloradoan.com/article/20...h-bed-shortage

The Psychiatric hospitals and centers in my immediate area shut down too.
When I hear terms like "hipster" I think, who told cliques they could leave high school??

It's been eerily quite the past 2 days. I don't think she was home all Monday night. She was home last night. I could see her lights on, but not any sounds at all. I told Jim that there is no way she isn't walking around the apartment and yet we don't here anything. It just tells me that all that stomping around was deliberate.

Jim is going to the office today and is also calling the non-emergency line to report all of this. At least it will be on record with them in case we need a restraining order. He's going to let the complex know this, so they will know that we are taking this situation seriously even tho' they aren't and haven't. We definitely should have been notified when she went to them complaining about me a month ago. They should have realized there was a mental problem since she had had the same complaint about another tenant when she lived in another apartment there.

I'm letting Jim handle a lot of this, because my time is pretty much tied up at my daughter's house in the evenings and I can't get to the office before they close for the day. I'm just too overwhelmed right now to have to deal with this crap on top of everything else.
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Thank goodness! I am so glad he is going to call. They may be able to give some additional recommendations. It just depends on how things are being handled there (which I sure is at the very least of our abilities thanks to the government at large and a "society" lacking in common sense.)

Pardon, I'm wearing thin myself. I need to turn off the news. I'm getting very agitated with the blame game. Prisons being used as mental health facilities since the mid 2000's and no one understands why the police won't do anything about mental illness before a person commits a crime, all while yelling "it's a disease!". I don't understand people who push for facilities to be shut down, in hopes for all out patient care (which makes no sense because you don't shut down a regular hospital for all clinics. some need further treatment), and then blame people who are not mental health professionals for not treating people with mental health disorders. What do you want?

Sorry again. I hope she remains quiet, Lotsa and all goes well.
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When I hear terms like "hipster" I think, who told cliques they could leave high school??

Community based care and looser restrictions sound great in theory. But some ppl just need closer supervision.
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Community based care and looser restrictions sound great in theory. But some ppl just need closer supervision.
Originally Posted by spiderlashes5000
Some absolutely do, and they can't get anything as long as facilities (short and long term) are being shut down. I can remember a time when people were brought into clinics once or twice a month for their meds. Shots, at that time. They were monitored. That's a good thing, and so is long term care. Most people need that before they can take the next step.
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When I hear terms like "hipster" I think, who told cliques they could leave high school??

It's actually been reduced to a less humane treatment in hopes of a more humane society.
When I hear terms like "hipster" I think, who told cliques they could leave high school??


One side note... I wouldn't recommend the "my tax dollars pay your salary" argument with LEO or Emergency Services. That's not well received (if it's said or not) because we pay our salaries too.

Though that is typically reserved for the pampered sort who cuss you out and remind (read try to put you in your place) you that they pay your salary/are your boss when you refuse to send an officer to pick up their trash, in their yard, that a stray dog ripped into. It's amazing what falls under protect and serve to some people. They think serve = servant. When I'm here because I want to help people who need it. I'd say it having a stranger tell you that they pay your salary would not go over well with anyone.

This has been a PSA.
Originally Posted by Fifi.G
I didnt mean it in a derogatory way. My husband is a law enforcement officer and yes he works hard and really doesn't get paid enough for what he does. But many people are afraid of the cops or afraid to call them because they don't want to be thought of as annoying, troublemakers, or "tattletales". So I was just trying to point out that it is ok to contact them about this.

And to protect and serve is what they say in all of their pledges when they are sworn in.
Originally Posted by Ashleynicol
Ashley, how frustrating is the lack of mental health care on your end? I imagine the nurses at our area hospitals have to get incredibly frustrated. We, typically, have much more contact with mental disorders than general hospital employees. They might have been talking to us and officers for quite some time before a family member agrees to commit, or at least attempt it. Over half are broken after hospital evaluation. Everyone has laws, rules, and criteria they have to follow and meet. You can't just snatch someone up, which all in all is a good thing. Add bed shortages, and the problems increase.

Meanwhile, I have several friends who are licensed therapists that were laid off and can not get employment.

Also, I know their job is to protect and serve. My job is to pick up the phone and send someone, or have someone call, or just document it, and sometimes just listen... depending on the situation and as long as it is something that requires emergency services. That is what we are here for. Many calls these days are complaints about utility companies, or like I mentioned earlier w/ trash in the yard, things that do not require assistance. It's progressively getting harder and harder. So many people dial 911 for the number to pizza hut (if you've seen The Call, the conversation about Turkey basting questions on Thanksgiving is accurate ) while so many others won't call when they need to. You are right, some are scared, and some flat out tell you that they don't want to get involved. I wish more people with actual emergencies/problems would pick up the phone, while others put it down.

If you ask me, Lotsa's complex should have called before now rather than moving this woman around to cause problems with someone new. It will happen every time.
Originally Posted by Fifi.G

Psychiatric care is very dismal. When my little brother had his first episode at the age of 18 I sat at the only psych hospital in our county to get him admitted. He had insurance, they said he did not meet crisis criteria. He was paranoid and delusional , he was speaking with obvious looseness of association. I had to call the police and get a police baker act to admit him. When they walked in with him the admitting people were so rude, they said , he's been here 3 times this week he doesn't meet criteria. (He had tried admitting himself two other times he knew something was wrong! He wanted help!) The police officer slammed down the paperwork and said "he meets criteria now!"

They wound up keeping him for several weeks. He has manic episodes and they lead to his psychosis. Usually from lack of sleep. His diagnosis is on the spectrum of bipolar with mania. He was admitted several times over the last few years once he was kept for 3 months and they almost sent him to the state hospital becuase they couldn't get him out of his psychosis. It is heartbreaking. I believe if he had access to better psychiatric care he would be so much better. He is smart, he wants to do good he wants to get better. At the age of 18 he had his EMT license and CNA already. He is I think 22 now and doing well but it is a fear of when he will have a relapse again? What if he runs out of meds or the meds stop working? Oh and btw all of his drug screens are always negative. I remember the first time praying that he was on drugs and it was a drug induced psychosis.

And yes working in the ER all we can really do is Baker act in exteme cases and that's a 72 hour hold with a psychiatric eval. There are so many people that need more care and its just not available.
Community based care and looser restrictions sound great in theory. But some ppl just need closer supervision.
Originally Posted by spiderlashes5000
Some absolutely do, and they can't get anything as long as facilities (short and long term) are being shut down. I can remember a time when people were brought into clinics once or twice a month for their meds. Shots, at that time. They were monitored. That's a good thing, and so is long term care. Most people need that before they can take the next step.
Originally Posted by Fifi.G

My little brothers next step will be a court order for reporting every month for a shot. Then if he doesn't show they will put a warrant out for him.

But yes when he is in acute psychosis he needs in patient care no doubt. The hospitals around here don't even have in patient psych units. We treat them medically until they are stable enough to discharge and then transfer to the psych facility.

I didnt mean it in a derogatory way. My husband is a law enforcement officer and yes he works hard and really doesn't get paid enough for what he does. But many people are afraid of the cops or afraid to call them because they don't want to be thought of as annoying, troublemakers, or "tattletales". So I was just trying to point out that it is ok to contact them about this.

And to protect and serve is what they say in all of their pledges when they are sworn in.
Originally Posted by Ashleynicol
Ashley, how frustrating is the lack of mental health care on your end? I imagine the nurses at our area hospitals have to get incredibly frustrated. We, typically, have much more contact with mental disorders than general hospital employees. They might have been talking to us and officers for quite some time before a family member agrees to commit, or at least attempt it. Over half are broken after hospital evaluation. Everyone has laws, rules, and criteria they have to follow and meet. You can't just snatch someone up, which all in all is a good thing. Add bed shortages, and the problems increase.

Meanwhile, I have several friends who are licensed therapists that were laid off and can not get employment.

Also, I know their job is to protect and serve. My job is to pick up the phone and send someone, or have someone call, or just document it, and sometimes just listen... depending on the situation and as long as it is something that requires emergency services. That is what we are here for. Many calls these days are complaints about utility companies, or like I mentioned earlier w/ trash in the yard, things that do not require assistance. It's progressively getting harder and harder. So many people dial 911 for the number to pizza hut (if you've seen The Call, the conversation about Turkey basting questions on Thanksgiving is accurate ) while so many others won't call when they need to. You are right, some are scared, and some flat out tell you that they don't want to get involved. I wish more people with actual emergencies/problems would pick up the phone, while others put it down.

If you ask me, Lotsa's complex should have called before now rather than moving this woman around to cause problems with someone new. It will happen every time.
Originally Posted by Fifi.G

Psychiatric care is very dismal. When my little brother had his first episode at the age of 18 I sat at the only psych hospital in our county to get him admitted. He had insurance, they said he did not meet crisis criteria. He was paranoid and delusional , he was speaking with obvious looseness of association. I had to call the police and get a police baker act to admit him. When they walked in with him the admitting people were so rude, they said , he's been here 3 times this week he doesn't meet criteria. (He had tried admitting himself two other times he knew something was wrong! He wanted help!) The police officer slammed down the paperwork and said "he meets criteria now!"

They wound up keeping him for several weeks. He has manic episodes and they lead to his psychosis. Usually from lack of sleep. His diagnosis is on the spectrum of bipolar with mania. He was admitted several times over the last few years once he was kept for 3 months and they almost sent him to the state hospital becuase they couldn't get him out of his psychosis. It is heartbreaking. I believe if he had access to better psychiatric care he would be so much better. He is smart, he wants to do good he wants to get better. At the age of 18 he had his EMT license and CNA already. He is I think 22 now and doing well but it is a fear of when he will have a relapse again? What if he runs out of meds or the meds stop working? Oh and btw all of his drug screens are always negative. I remember the first time praying that he was on drugs and it was a drug induced psychosis.

And yes working in the ER all we can really do is Baker act in exteme cases and that's a 72 hour hold with a psychiatric eval. There are so many people that need more care and its just not available.
Originally Posted by Ashleynicol
You must be in capital of oranges, unless using that as slang. We sometimes do upwards of 6 IVC's a week. Occasionally we have that in a day. What the reports said is highly accurate. Patients can spend up to two weeks in evaluation, waiting for placement, have the IVC broken, and walk out the door. Dismal is correct. The number of walk outs doubles actual placement, and it causes a huge strain on LEO resources. Our hospital requires a guard on all commitments. When you have 3+ in there at once, and live in a small town...

I am sorry about your brother. I hope he continues with his treatment, and does well. It is a blessing he got placement.
When I hear terms like "hipster" I think, who told cliques they could leave high school??

What bothers me the most is seeing people who simply have dementia being committed by their family, as opposed to waiting for a spot in a nursing home, while people with paranoid delusions and psychosis walk.


I also get what you are saying about wishing it was drug induced. Sadly, many don't seem to recover from that now. I know that was very common with PCP and some forms of LSD in the 60's/70's and it's common again. Now people are taking drugs that are 99% synthetic and hardcore chemicals. They don't stand a chance.

I have to say this and then I am going to bed. I am not endorsing drug use BUT for the life of me I can not understand why kids are smoking synthetic pot that causes paranoid delusions, convulsions, and death.
When I hear terms like "hipster" I think, who told cliques they could leave high school??


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