House Passes Bill Cutting $40 Billion From Food Stamps

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In addition, the legislation would allow states to require food stamp recipients to be tested for drugs and to stop lottery winners from getting benefits. The Senate farm bill also contains a restriction on lottery winners.
Originally Posted by scrills
Florida tried that a couple of years ago (conveniently, the governor's wife owns the company that would be conducting the tests). A federal court struck it down as unconstitutional, so there's no reason to think the same wouldn't happen in this case.

Ironically, it turned out that Floridians on welfare use illegal drugs LESS than those who aren't.

From the Dallas Morning News:

For a cautionary tale, just look to Florida. In 2011, the state passed a law requiring all welfare recipients to be tested before they received help. Applicants had to come up with the $30 to $35 for the test; only those who passed would be reimbursed.

It turned out that of the 4,086 who took the tests, only 108 — just 2.6 percent — failed, most for marijuana. That’s far below the 6 percent state average of Floridians who use drugs. (An analysis by the state showed that the drug testing requirement didn’t tamp down applications.)

Not only was Florida left with mud on its face; it also had a small hole in its pocket. At about $35 per test, the state had to reimburse $118,140. After deducting the “savings” from the 108 who did not receive benefits, Florida lost $45,780.

After just four months, a federal judge in Orlando ruled the Florida law was probably unconstitutional and blocked the measure. Last month, the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals in Atlanta agreed.
The cuts and so-called reforms are out of proportion and intentionally hurt millions of Americans, many of which are children, older adults, veterans and the disabled.
Originally Posted by webjockey
76% of SNAP households included a child, an elderly person, or a disabled person. These vulnerable households receive 83% of all SNAP benefits.

170,000 veterans will be losing their benefits as a result of these cuts.
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76% of SNAP households included a child, an elderly person, or a disabled person. These vulnerable households receive 83% of all SNAP benefits.

170,000 veterans will be losing their benefits as a result of these cuts.
Originally Posted by yossarian
And that kind of debunks the idea that that the cuts were retributive for not voting Republican...elderly Americans were really hit hard as part of that Commodity Supplemental Food Program that was abolished!
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Oh they have been convicted yet, just indicted


The investigation revealed that the defendants and others used the business to exchange food stamps and WIC coupons for cash and other unauthorized items, including beer and cigarettes. The men also purchased customer food stamp cards and used them at other grocery locations to purchase inventory for the market and for their own personal use, according to the indictment.
Three NE Ohio men charged with food stamp fraud at convenience stores | cleveland.com

sounds like they gave people cash and kept the card
Originally Posted by scrills
And I think this is rather telling. Bc not only was the above true but also you had ppl TAKING cash and GIVING AWAY their cards.

The crooked store owners were prosecuted but not the crooked benefits recipients. No accountability. The gov't infantalizes ppl and keeps them in a perpetual state of dependency.
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76% of SNAP households included a child, an elderly person, or a disabled person. These vulnerable households receive 83% of all SNAP benefits.

170,000 veterans will be losing their benefits as a result of these cuts.
Originally Posted by yossarian
And that kind of debunks the idea that that the cuts were retributive for not voting Republican...elderly Americans were really hit hard as part of that Commodity Supplemental Food Program that was abolished!
Originally Posted by spiderlashes5000
No, I think this supports her point, just like the fictional welfare queen discussed earlier. It doesn't matter to Republicans if it's true or not: It's about manipulating public opinion of the poor.
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growing up in the Viet community during the 2nd wave of Viet immigrants in the 80s-90s there were numerous stories of newcommers taking advantage of the system. with the 2nd generation not so much but theres still some cheating. is there cheating in the welfare system? definitely.
Originally Posted by OBB
I'm sorry but this takes the debate to a whole other place as far as I'm concerned. It's one things for Americans, who have been contributing to a system for generations, to try to work it when they get the opportunity. But for immigrants to emigrate here and not only immediately start collecting benefits...but also to start fraudulently collecting them, is just appalling.

does the welfare system need reforming? absolutely. but lets call this bill for what it is a move by the republicans to keep the focus/blame on the poor and the weak(minorities)
Originally Posted by OBB
Yes, definitely. But there is abuse. And it seems like political proponents of these programs should be working to identify and remedy the abuses so these ill-conceived schemes don't pass.
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76% of SNAP households included a child, an elderly person, or a disabled person. These vulnerable households receive 83% of all SNAP benefits.

170,000 veterans will be losing their benefits as a result of these cuts.
Originally Posted by yossarian
And that kind of debunks the idea that that the cuts were retributive for not voting Republican...elderly Americans were really hit hard as part of that Commodity Supplemental Food Program that was abolished!
Originally Posted by spiderlashes5000
No, I think this supports her point, just like the fictional welfare queen discussed earlier. It doesn't matter to Republicans if it's true or not: It's about manipulating public opinion of the poor.
Originally Posted by curlyarca
She said it was retributive.
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And that kind of debunks the idea that that the cuts were retributive for not voting Republican...elderly Americans were really hit hard as part of that Commodity Supplemental Food Program that was abolished!
Originally Posted by spiderlashes5000
No, I think this supports her point, just like the fictional welfare queen discussed earlier. It doesn't matter to Republicans if it's true or not: It's about manipulating public opinion of the poor.
Originally Posted by curlyarca
She said it was retributive.
Originally Posted by spiderlashes5000
Which it was: in every age bracket, including 65+, a majority of poor people voted for Obama. Overall, 63% of people earning less than $30,000 voted for him.

And just to prove that this wasn't about people looking for "handouts", 57% of people earning between $30,000 and $50,000 also voted for Obama.
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And yet tax payers subsidize the NFL. No one talks about amazing money there. http://m.npr.org/programs/all/2/225775287
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And yet tax payers subsidize the NFL. No one talks about amazing money there. NPR.org NFL's A Nonprofit? Author Says It's Time For Football Reform
Originally Posted by chupie
Yes, it's really outrageous. Taxpayers spent almost $56 million to build the Detroit Lions a stadium, then got stuck with it when the team got a bright shiny new one. The old stadium sold for $583,000 & taxpayers covered most of the cost of the new one as well.

Almost every major league city has been fleeced in this way. It's just worse in Detroit's case because the city is broke.

People's Game? The Taxpayers' Stake in NFL Labor Negotiations - NationalJournal.com

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/08/sp...gewanted=print

My personal favorite:

In 2010, the New York Giants and New York Jets football teams (who actually play in New Jersey) broke ground on their shared New Meadowlands Stadium. In the meantime, the old Giants Stadium, which was demolished to make room for the New Meadowlands, still carries $110 million in debt from when it was built in 1976.

In sum: The bill for a now-demolished stadium is being subsidized by New Jersey residents who are, again, subsidizing a new stadium on top of the old one for two teams named for New York.
Mandatory right-wing reference, to protect against accusations of partisan bias:

Politicians and Team Owners Snooker Sports Fans and Taxpayers | Cato Institute

Sports economist Prof. Andrew Zimbalist has done fantastic research on this subject for years. His conclusion: public assistance for pro teams is almost invariably a net loss for taxpayers. The promised jobs, tax revenue etc fail to materialize, and the teams typically leave the arena for a bigger, splashier one soon thereafter. And the few jobs that are created are of the low-paying, dead-end variety.

But the real problem is food stamps and Obamacare :/
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And yet tax payers subsidize the NFL. No one talks about amazing money there. NPR.org NFL's A Nonprofit? Author Says It's Time For Football Reform
Originally Posted by chupie
Yes, it's really outrageous. Taxpayers spent almost $56 million to build the Detroit Lions a stadium, then got stuck with it when the team got a bright shiny new one. The old stadium sold for $583,000 & taxpayers covered most of the cost of the new one as well.

Almost every major league city has been fleeced in this way. It's just worse in Detroit's case because the city is broke.

People's Game? The Taxpayers' Stake in NFL Labor Negotiations - NationalJournal.com

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/08/sp...gewanted=print

My personal favorite:

In 2010, the New York Giants and New York Jets football teams (who actually play in New Jersey) broke ground on their shared New Meadowlands Stadium. In the meantime, the old Giants Stadium, which was demolished to make room for the New Meadowlands, still carries $110 million in debt from when it was built in 1976.

In sum: The bill for a now-demolished stadium is being subsidized by New Jersey residents who are, again, subsidizing a new stadium on top of the old one for two teams named for New York.
Mandatory right-wing reference, to protect against accusations of partisan bias:

Politicians and Team Owners Snooker Sports Fans and Taxpayers | Cato Institute

Sports economist Prof. Andrew Zimbalist has done fantastic research on this subject for years. His conclusion: public assistance for pro teams is almost invariably a net loss for taxpayers. The promised jobs, tax revenue etc fail to materialize, and the teams typically leave the arena for a bigger, splashier one soon thereafter. And the few jobs that are created are of the low-paying, dead-end variety.

But the real problem is food stamps and Obamacare :/
Originally Posted by yossarian
Yea the Falcons are getting a new stadium in 2017, most people aren't happy with it. The Ga Dome isn't even that old. I'm excited though.

That Insane New Falcons Stadium Is Really Going To Happen


Which it was: in every age bracket, including 65+, a majority of poor people voted for Obama. Overall, 63% of people earning less than $30,000 voted for him.
Originally Posted by yossarian
I would think a lot less than 63% bc recipients can't double dip. SNAP recipients are disproportionately from Black and Latino states. So the Commodity Supplemental Program skews to the other states. Yet, it was the Commodity Supplemental Program that was cut...

It doesn't makes sense that Republicans would cut a program on the basis solely of retribution when close to half of its recipients vote Republican.

And just to prove that this wasn't about people looking for "handouts", 57% of people earning between $30,000 and $50,000 also voted for Obama.
Originally Posted by yossarian
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[QUOTE=spiderlashes5000;2211320]

Which it was: in every age bracket, including 65+, a majority of poor people voted for Obama. Overall, 63% of people earning less than $30,000 voted for him.
Originally Posted by yossarian
I would think a lot less than 63% bc recipients can't double dip. SNAP recipients are disproportionately from Black and Latino states. So the Commodity Supplemental Program skews to the other states. Yet, it was the Commodity Supplemental Program that was cut...

It doesn't makes sense that Republicans would cut a program on the basis solely of retribution when close to half of its recipients vote Republican. [/QUOTE[

Geography is irrelevant. CSP is for *poor* seniors, the majority of whom voted for Obama. Thus, the GOP need not fear a backlash since they've written these people off anyway (i.e., Romney & Ryan's infamous 47%).

As I stated, the 63% figure refers to all voters earning less than $30K, not all of whom are on SNAP. It's a straightforward election result: poor people - young or old; whether on welfare or not - voted for Obama by a large margin.

And just to prove that this wasn't about people looking for "handouts", 57% of people earning between $30,000 and $50,000 also voted for Obama.
Originally Posted by yossarian
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Originally Posted by spiderlashes5000
I was simply pointing out that Obama won a solid majority of the middle class vote as well, to refute the canard that people only voted for him in the hope of getting goodies from the govt.

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Geography is irrelevant. CSP is for *poor* seniors, the majority of whom voted for Obama. Thus, the GOP need not fear a backlash since they've written these people off anyway (i.e., Romney & Ryan's infamous 47%).
Originally Posted by yossarian
I think it is relevent bc some states have more SNAP and others have more CSFP...and CSFP got cut completely in this piece of legislation. Old ppl in White states vote R and old ppl in Black and Latino states vote D.
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This thread makes me want to cry.


All im gonna say is....every empire in history has fallen. America is definitely not immune.

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"A nation's greatness is measured by how it treats its weakest members." (Mahatma Gandhi)

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It doesn't makes sense that Republicans would cut a program on the basis solely of retribution when close to half of its recipients vote Republican.
Originally Posted by spiderlashes5000
I'm not sure about if it makes sense, but the facts don't show that republicans were punishing anyone based on party votes.

Lawmakers representing the hungriest of areas voted against the program
Lawmakers

This is less about who you voted for, and more about the philosophy of those who are in power.

If we want government to work and create opportunities for quality life for everyone, we need to put people in place that will work to do that.

That requires voting. Something Americans don't really like to do.

I also blame social service nonprofits. They often talk about how much help they need, but they rarely if ever talk about doing things like registering people to vote, investing in advocacy and public policy as part of their programming, community organizing, empowering the clients.

We are very much part of the problem. There's a lot of money in poor folk.

A book on my reading list is this:
The Stop | Melville House Books

Related article:
Food banks are 'a slow death of the soul' | Patrick Butler | Society | The Guardian
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every empire in history has fallen. America is definitely not immune.
Originally Posted by SmilingElephant
"A nation's greatness is measured by how it treats its weakest members." (Mahatma Gandhi)

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Look how it treats us.



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