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Oh for the love of all things PC. It's not an American,
Native American License Plate. It's an American Indian tag. You can say Indian. It's not a bad word. It's a rather good one. The Native American PC push did not come from this area. You can relax. You better, because you're going to see and hear it.
Originally Posted by Fifi.G
IKR?! It's like people who hesitate to use the word Black. It's not a bad word just because African American came into vogue. I'm Black, black, black, blackety black!

I wonder what the next "evolution" in racial naming will bring...
Originally Posted by The New Black
Sorry, TNB. Thanks to the occasionally buggy app, I am not seeing all posts.

Who knows what the next evolution will bring. I always wonder who in the heck is bringing it. Considering that the tribe changed the name of nothing in my area, and went on with business as usual, I knew it wasn't them. Not everyone agrees, people have different reasonings and preferences. Nothing wrong with knowing the context and respecting those preferences.
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When I hear terms like "hipster" I think, who told cliques they could leave high school??

I can't wait to see the bestie and give him his not really Christmas card and gift. The card is hysterical. He may not celebrate Christmas but he still loves decorations, the food and of course gifts. He will never turn down a gift.
When I hear terms like "hipster" I think, who told cliques they could leave high school??

Speaking of cards... Something must be wrong with me. Other than my friends, I got a bunch of sappy cards for people. I hate sappy cards. I am a funny card person.
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When I hear terms like "hipster" I think, who told cliques they could leave high school??

I've discovered that family gatherings are nicer when I add alcohol.

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Oh snap! Glad I checked some local news sites. Now I know why people kept telling me Tribal Elders were not happy, in a not getting respect, more to come kind of way. They are busting some butts this month when it comes to an issue important to many people. Good for them. I still have a feeling there will be more to follow, but on more personal matters.

I have felt like it was 3am since 6pm. Very blah. I'm going shopping tomorrow, and will expect to feel much better. I have to put my Best Buy gift card to use.
When I hear terms like "hipster" I think, who told cliques they could leave high school??

I've discovered that family gatherings are nicer when I add alcohol.

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Originally Posted by PerriP
I would be completely shunned by everyone but one Uncle and some cousins if I did that. I have drank at one official family gathering, and it was hosted by that Uncle at a motorcycle club/members only bar. I got trashed, my dad flipped the moment I opened my first beer, and I stayed and drank until 4am with my Uncle and played DJ all night. Dad knew I drank, I was 30. They just have a weird thing about drinking around family. My moms side it 10 times worse. Some might faint. All other gatherings are held at churches or community centers that do not allow adult beverages. Afterward... HUGE YES!!!!

That is pretty much so a cultural thing here, though. A common with locals. We get tore down at many other functions, away from prying eyes, but family ones are off limits. That includes weddings.
When I hear terms like "hipster" I think, who told cliques they could leave high school??


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Originally Posted by PerriP
I would be completely shunned by everyone but one Uncle and some cousins if I did that. I have drank at one official family gathering, and it was hosted by that Uncle at a motorcycle club/members only bar. I got trashed, my dad flipped the moment I opened my first beer, and I stayed and drank until 4am with my Uncle and played DJ all night. Dad knew I drank, I was 30. They just have a weird thing about drinking around family. My moms side it 10 times worse. Some might faint. All other gatherings are held at churches or community centers that do not allow adult beverages. Afterward... HUGE YES!!!!

That is pretty much so a cultural thing here, though. A common with locals. We get tore down at many other functions, away from prying eyes, but family ones are off limits. That includes weddings.
Originally Posted by Fifi.G
Until thanksgiving of this year I rarely drank on family holidays. It really makes me like people more lol. Well, it helps that part of me that wants to tell people what i really think to just hush and go with the flow. And to be clear, I rarely drink at all so I only had one drink yesterday and it was enough lol.

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Originally Posted by PerriP
I would be completely shunned by everyone but one Uncle and some cousins if I did that. I have drank at one official family gathering, and it was hosted by that Uncle at a motorcycle club/members only bar. I got trashed, my dad flipped the moment I opened my first beer, and I stayed and drank until 4am with my Uncle and played DJ all night. Dad knew I drank, I was 30. They just have a weird thing about drinking around family. My moms side it 10 times worse. Some might faint. All other gatherings are held at churches or community centers that do not allow adult beverages. Afterward... HUGE YES!!!!

That is pretty much so a cultural thing here, though. A common with locals. We get tore down at many other functions, away from prying eyes, but family ones are off limits. That includes weddings.
Originally Posted by Fifi.G
Until thanksgiving of this year I rarely drank on family holidays. It really makes me like people more lol. Well, it helps that part of me that wants to tell people what i really think to just hush and go with the flow. And to be clear, I rarely drink at all so I only had one drink yesterday and it was enough lol.

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Originally Posted by PerriP
Hehe. One drink would probably do it for me too. It does help relax and calm the nerves that some family memebers can and will chew on.

I only drink a few times a year now. If I'm in a crowd of many people drinking, and feed off that energy, I will go with it BUT the rest of the time it's a drink here and there. It doesn't take much for me either, which is good because I was completely lushy in my irresponsible youth.

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Madonna (Poor is the man whose pleasure depends on the permission of another. Love me) and Prince took the number 1 & 2 spot, as it should be. I was glad to see Wicked Games made it and How Does It Feel by D'Angelo. It had been a little while... Completely forgot Duran Duran's Girls on Film video was banned and only available on the Play Boy Channel for some time. I loved that song, and the video. How did I forget that? My mom always rented the collection of Duran Duran video's for me at the video store. It was a movie/collection. What was that called? The clerks (female) would flip out and say, "you know this contains naked women". My mom would look at me and I would chime in with something like... I've seen me naked. I'm not offended by a woman's body. I just want to see John Taylor! F**king Tipper Gore always tried to take away all the fun.
When I hear terms like "hipster" I think, who told cliques they could leave high school??


Last edited by Fifi.G; 12-26-2013 at 09:23 AM.
It's weird to think of the days when democrats were uber conservative more like republicans. Some still are on specific issues, and waaaaaaay out in left field on others. I'm back in a realm where I can't even recognize the party.
When I hear terms like "hipster" I think, who told cliques they could leave high school??

I give her 3000 idol points for using the term "thought police". It's one of my personal favorites.

"I recall that during my freshman year of college at the University of Kentucky in the mid-90s the administration enacted a language code. This code was to be used by the students as a way to communicate in and out of the classroom. The code was intended to help instill sensitivity in the student body and encourage them to refer to ethnic and social groups in a politically correct manner. I wrote a paper about this language code for one of my classes and I think the term "thought police" was used. I was never a big fan of political correctness. While the intention is good (giving people a neutral, non-hostile, set of words and phrases to use when referring to groups of people) I think it instead creates confusion and frustration which in turn increases hostility.

How many times have you heard someone say "Indian" and then correct themselves in a hostile tone, "Oh right, now they want us to call them Native Americans." Would it surprise you to know that most of the Indians that I know do not like the term Native American? So who comes up with these terms and why?"

All Things Cherokee: Culture Articles - What's in a Name? Indians and Political Correctness

(I'm guessing it was a specific type of person, out to change the world for the better, regardless of what other people thought)
Originally Posted by Fifi.G

sorry Fifi, (I'm not referring to you directly, but the people you are referring to) but if taking a little bit of time to be considerate of the others is too frustrating for you, well I vote we move all those people to their own island. Chances are the hostility was already there. That is no excuse.

As for the terms, now that's a different conversation.
Originally Posted by scrills
I was thinking about how it must have felt for a person sitting in a class, who identifies as proud Cherokee Indian, being told that Indian is no longer acceptable and the term Native American should be used when I said that.
Originally Posted by Fifi.G
I agree that calling someone Cherokee, Sioux, Cree, etc. is preferable to Native American, whenever possible. Just like calling someone French, Belgian, Swiss, etc. Is preferable to European or Kenyan, Sudanese, Liberian, etc. to African. But sometimes it's not possible or you need to make a generalization.

It seems the author of that aricle's main reasons for supporting the continued use of the term "Indian" is bc 1) it's been used for so long and 2) to object would make others uncomfortable. OK, not valid reasons for anything IMO.

Then the author says either term (Indian or Native American) are fine. But you (Fifi.G) said NA was too cumbersome/PC. But the Cherokee author, herself, said NA is OK.

I have to disagree w/ Rush Limbaugh here (), the legal term for ppl born in this country are "natural-born citizens" vs. "naturalized citizens (born in other countries and later become citizens here). So there is no conflict w/ "native American."

Again...American Indian Movement...United Negro College Fund...Nat'l Association for the Advancement of Colored People... the International Ladies Garment Workers Union...marginalized ppls frequently get stuck w/ objectifying/offensive names.

But seriously, this isn't India.
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sorry Fifi, (I'm not referring to you directly, but the people you are referring to) but if taking a little bit of time to be considerate of the others is too frustrating for you, well I vote we move all those people to their own island. Chances are the hostility was already there. That is no excuse.

As for the terms, now that's a different conversation.
Originally Posted by scrills
I was thinking about how it must have felt for a person sitting in a class, who identifies as proud Cherokee Indian, being told that Indian is no longer acceptable and the term Native American should be used when I said that.
Originally Posted by Fifi.G
I agree that calling someone Cherokee, Sioux, Cree, etc. is preferable to Native American, whenever possible. Just like calling someone French, Belgian, Swiss, etc. Is preferable to European or Kenyan, Sudanese, Liberian, etc. to African. But sometimes it's not possible or you need to make a generalization.

It seems the author of that aricle's main reasons for supporting the continued use of the term "Indian" is bc 1) it's been used for so long and 2) to object would make others uncomfortable. OK, not valid reasons for anything IMO.

Then the author says either term (Indian or Native American) are fine. But you (Fifi.G) said NA was too cumbersome/PC. But the Cherokee author, herself, said NA is OK.

I have to disagree w/ Rush Limbaugh here (), the legal term for ppl born in this country are "natural-born citizens" vs. "naturalized citizens (born in other countries and later become citizens here). So there is no conflict w/ "native American."

Again...American Indian Movement...United Negro College Fund...Nat'l Association for the Advancement of Colored People... the International Ladies Garment Workers Union...marginalized ppls frequently get stuck w/ objectifying/offensive names.

But seriously, this isn't India.
Originally Posted by spiderlashes5000
No, I said "Oh for the love of all things PC" when talking (ranting on here, not to the person) about someone calling an American Indian License Plate (those can only be used by enrolled members of the Tribe, btw) an American Native American license plate, just to avoid saying American Indian, when that is what it is!

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And I see a large difference in saying to object would make others uncomfortable and saying because several people feel removing the term Indian wipes away what was done to their ancestors. I do also believe I said I have used the term Native American, but the fact remains, I am more than aware of the workings of the Cherokee society where I live and I use what best applies *and that is when discussing the correct name of a movement, correct wording on tags for a vehicle, names of business, names of groups, interaction with tribal authorities, etc... in a respectful way. I do not put it all under a one term umbrella, because I know the terminology used on tribal land.

I think the author agrees with RL being an idiotic jerk.
When I hear terms like "hipster" I think, who told cliques they could leave high school??


Last edited by Fifi.G; 12-26-2013 at 05:57 PM.
And why in the flying f**k does someone have their license plate for sale on ebay for $80? That's where the pic came from online.
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I don't think there was drama. Jeepy was looking for it the other day (so was I) and it was just MIA.

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