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Do we *really* need a sponsored forum from a hair straightening company? It would seem to go against being "naturally curly."
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I'm just so sick of this.

So......sick.....of.....it.
Do we *really* need a sponsored forum from a hair straightening company? It would seem to go against being "naturally curly."
Originally Posted by redcelticcurls
I just went to see what you were talking about (all i ever click is the "new posts" link...)

Wow. I'm with you... that's kind of ridiculous, IMO. "improves the condition of the hair" hmm? Kinda find that hard to believe, but maybe that's just me...
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CO wash/Cond: Kathymack & Flowermoon Castille soap bars, V05 Chamomile Tea, Suave Ocean Breeze, Biolage Conditioning Balm
Styling loves: DIFFUSING! CK, KCNT, KCCC, FOTE (on dry hair only), Re:coil, Proclaim gel
Not sure about: Boots, Tweek, KBB Milk, DMHJ
HATE: plopping, FOTE on wet hair, BRHG
Do we *really* need a sponsored forum from a hair straightening company? It would seem to go against being "naturally curly."
Originally Posted by redcelticcurls
I just went to see what you were talking about (all i ever click is the "new posts" link...)

Wow. I'm with you... that's kind of ridiculous, IMO. "improves the condition of the hair" hmm? Kinda find that hard to believe, but maybe that's just me...
Originally Posted by MimsTX
Yeah, and am I really supposed to believe that adding a protein layer on hair will make it straight for three months? That isn't how protein works. People use protein treatments to get their curl back! There has to be something else in the formula to do that.
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But, I love you so much. And I know you love me so much. So we are going to figure out a way to make this work. We didn't follow each other for thousands of miles for no reason.

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Do we *really* need a sponsored forum from a hair straightening company? It would seem to go against being "naturally curly."
Originally Posted by redcelticcurls
I just went to see what you were talking about (all i ever click is the "new posts" link...)

Wow. I'm with you... that's kind of ridiculous, IMO. "improves the condition of the hair" hmm? Kinda find that hard to believe, but maybe that's just me...
Originally Posted by MimsTX
Yeah, and am I really supposed to believe that adding a protein layer on hair will make it straight for three months? That isn't how protein works. People use protein treatments to get their curl back! There has to be something else in the formula to do that.
Originally Posted by redcelticcurls
Well, whatever the curl-relaxation mechanism, I have never been so happy with my hair in my entire almost 44 years. Never. It has been absolutely life-changing for me. I don't use that particular brand and have no interest in changing brands. BKT is not necessarily about "straightening." My hair is not straight by any stretch. The curl pattern has been relaxed to a more user-friendly level. It's temporary. I have experienced no appreciable damage.

I understand your point, but isn't the mission of this website to help those of us with curly hair find alternative methods of dealing with our hair and embracing it? Is any of us truly "natural" with our hair coloring, blowdrying/diffusing, gels, mousses, shampoos, conditioners, etc. I am now embracing my curly hair in a way that I would have N.E.V.E.R. been able to do with it in its completely natural state. I still use what I have learned here to maintain the remaining curl pattern.

Baby fine, honey & caramel hilites, 4a/3c now 2b w/DIY BKT & LOVIN' it.
Cowash-V05 Extra Body
L'oreal EP Moisture-Rinse-out
JFLVM
BRHG mix w/
KCCC/KCKT (winter)
Clean-smelling-hair freak washes EOD; dry w/bowl diffuser
Cassia+henna+grays=Gold-red hilites
~That you don't share my experiences/opinions doesn't invalidate them
I wondered if it tasted like a hot dog. ~Phoenix

I just went to see what you were talking about (all i ever click is the "new posts" link...)

Wow. I'm with you... that's kind of ridiculous, IMO. "improves the condition of the hair" hmm? Kinda find that hard to believe, but maybe that's just me...
Originally Posted by MimsTX
Yeah, and am I really supposed to believe that adding a protein layer on hair will make it straight for three months? That isn't how protein works. People use protein treatments to get their curl back! There has to be something else in the formula to do that.
Originally Posted by redcelticcurls
Well, whatever the curl-relaxation mechanism, I have never been so happy with my hair in my entire almost 44 years. Never. It has been absolutely life-changing for me. I don't use that particular brand and have no interest in changing brands. BKT is not necessarily about "straightening." My hair is not straight by any stretch. The curl pattern has been relaxed to a more user-friendly level. It's temporary. I have experienced no appreciable damage.

I understand your point, but isn't the mission of this website to help those of us with curly hair find alternative methods of dealing with our hair and embracing it? Is any of us truly "natural" with our hair coloring, blowdrying/diffusing, gels, mousses, shampoos, conditioners, etc. I am now embracing my curly hair in a way that I would have N.E.V.E.R. been able to do with it in its completely natural state. I still use what I have learned here to maintain the remaining curl pattern.
Originally Posted by ~Ghost Poster~
I think it's really really cool that you found a solution that works for you, and allows you to appreciate your hair more. I do think that's the basis for this site, as well. And I have absolutely no qualms about there being "straightening" boards or even ones about things like BKT and what have you. I just don't know that having a SPONSORED board sends out the same message. If members want to talk about it then that's one thing, but having a company come on here and do it just seems different to me.
CG/Mod CG (soap bars) since 8/12/08
CO wash/Cond: Kathymack & Flowermoon Castille soap bars, V05 Chamomile Tea, Suave Ocean Breeze, Biolage Conditioning Balm
Styling loves: DIFFUSING! CK, KCNT, KCCC, FOTE (on dry hair only), Re:coil, Proclaim gel
Not sure about: Boots, Tweek, KBB Milk, DMHJ
HATE: plopping, FOTE on wet hair, BRHG
Do we *really* need a sponsored forum from a hair straightening company? It would seem to go against being "naturally curly."
Originally Posted by redcelticcurls
I just went to see what you were talking about (all i ever click is the "new posts" link...)

Wow. I'm with you... that's kind of ridiculous, IMO. "improves the condition of the hair" hmm? Kinda find that hard to believe, but maybe that's just me...
Originally Posted by MimsTX
Yes, anything that purports to improve the condition of hair is utter BS. That's physiologically impossible--BKT being no exception. Unfortunately, it's using the same tactic that Pantene and many other "repairing" conditioners use--silicone. Mine contains cyclopentasiloxane.

Baby fine, honey & caramel hilites, 4a/3c now 2b w/DIY BKT & LOVIN' it.
Cowash-V05 Extra Body
L'oreal EP Moisture-Rinse-out
JFLVM
BRHG mix w/
KCCC/KCKT (winter)
Clean-smelling-hair freak washes EOD; dry w/bowl diffuser
Cassia+henna+grays=Gold-red hilites
~That you don't share my experiences/opinions doesn't invalidate them
I wondered if it tasted like a hot dog. ~Phoenix

Yeah, and am I really supposed to believe that adding a protein layer on hair will make it straight for three months? That isn't how protein works. People use protein treatments to get their curl back! There has to be something else in the formula to do that.
Originally Posted by redcelticcurls
Well, whatever the curl-relaxation mechanism, I have never been so happy with my hair in my entire almost 44 years. Never. It has been absolutely life-changing for me. I don't use that particular brand and have no interest in changing brands. BKT is not necessarily about "straightening." My hair is not straight by any stretch. The curl pattern has been relaxed to a more user-friendly level. It's temporary. I have experienced no appreciable damage.

I understand your point, but isn't the mission of this website to help those of us with curly hair find alternative methods of dealing with our hair and embracing it? Is any of us truly "natural" with our hair coloring, blowdrying/diffusing, gels, mousses, shampoos, conditioners, etc. I am now embracing my curly hair in a way that I would have N.E.V.E.R. been able to do with it in its completely natural state. I still use what I have learned here to maintain the remaining curl pattern.
Originally Posted by ~Ghost Poster~
I think it's really really cool that you found a solution that works for you, and allows you to appreciate your hair more. I do think that's the basis for this site, as well. And I have absolutely no qualms about there being "straightening" boards or even ones about things like BKT and what have you. I just don't know that having a SPONSORED board sends out the same message. If members want to talk about it then that's one thing, but having a company come on here and do it just seems different to me.
Originally Posted by MimsTX
I only have one thing to say:

$$$$$$$$...AKA cha-CHING!

It's always all about the money!

Baby fine, honey & caramel hilites, 4a/3c now 2b w/DIY BKT & LOVIN' it.
Cowash-V05 Extra Body
L'oreal EP Moisture-Rinse-out
JFLVM
BRHG mix w/
KCCC/KCKT (winter)
Clean-smelling-hair freak washes EOD; dry w/bowl diffuser
Cassia+henna+grays=Gold-red hilites
~That you don't share my experiences/opinions doesn't invalidate them
I wondered if it tasted like a hot dog. ~Phoenix
sooooooooooo true.
CG/Mod CG (soap bars) since 8/12/08
CO wash/Cond: Kathymack & Flowermoon Castille soap bars, V05 Chamomile Tea, Suave Ocean Breeze, Biolage Conditioning Balm
Styling loves: DIFFUSING! CK, KCNT, KCCC, FOTE (on dry hair only), Re:coil, Proclaim gel
Not sure about: Boots, Tweek, KBB Milk, DMHJ
HATE: plopping, FOTE on wet hair, BRHG

Yeah, and am I really supposed to believe that adding a protein layer on hair will make it straight for three months? That isn't how protein works. People use protein treatments to get their curl back! There has to be something else in the formula to do that.
Originally Posted by redcelticcurls
Well, whatever the curl-relaxation mechanism, I have never been so happy with my hair in my entire almost 44 years. Never. It has been absolutely life-changing for me. I don't use that particular brand and have no interest in changing brands. BKT is not necessarily about "straightening." My hair is not straight by any stretch. The curl pattern has been relaxed to a more user-friendly level. It's temporary. I have experienced no appreciable damage.

I understand your point, but isn't the mission of this website to help those of us with curly hair find alternative methods of dealing with our hair and embracing it? Is any of us truly "natural" with our hair coloring, blowdrying/diffusing, gels, mousses, shampoos, conditioners, etc. I am now embracing my curly hair in a way that I would have N.E.V.E.R. been able to do with it in its completely natural state. I still use what I have learned here to maintain the remaining curl pattern.
Originally Posted by ~Ghost Poster~
I think it's really really cool that you found a solution that works for you, and allows you to appreciate your hair more. I do think that's the basis for this site, as well. And I have absolutely no qualms about there being "straightening" boards or even ones about things like BKT and what have you. I just don't know that having a SPONSORED board sends out the same message. If members want to talk about it then that's one thing, but having a company come on here and do it just seems different to me.
Originally Posted by MimsTX
Yeah, I just don't like the fact that it is a sponsored board. We do have a straightening/relaxing board for free, and it seems to be an active board. I just feel uncomfortable with a paid provider, showing an after pic of type 1 hair, here at nc. It just sits oddly.
Kiva! Microfinance works.

Med/Coarse, porous curly.

Well, whatever the curl-relaxation mechanism, I have never been so happy with my hair in my entire almost 44 years. Never. It has been absolutely life-changing for me. I don't use that particular brand and have no interest in changing brands. BKT is not necessarily about "straightening." My hair is not straight by any stretch. The curl pattern has been relaxed to a more user-friendly level. It's temporary. I have experienced no appreciable damage.

I understand your point, but isn't the mission of this website to help those of us with curly hair find alternative methods of dealing with our hair and embracing it? Is any of us truly "natural" with our hair coloring, blowdrying/diffusing, gels, mousses, shampoos, conditioners, etc. I am now embracing my curly hair in a way that I would have N.E.V.E.R. been able to do with it in its completely natural state. I still use what I have learned here to maintain the remaining curl pattern.
Originally Posted by ~Ghost Poster~
I think it's really really cool that you found a solution that works for you, and allows you to appreciate your hair more. I do think that's the basis for this site, as well. And I have absolutely no qualms about there being "straightening" boards or even ones about things like BKT and what have you. I just don't know that having a SPONSORED board sends out the same message. If members want to talk about it then that's one thing, but having a company come on here and do it just seems different to me.
Originally Posted by MimsTX
I only have one thing to say:

$$$$$$$$...AKA cha-CHING!

It's always all about the money!
Originally Posted by ~Ghost Poster~
I can see it being used in the same manner as a mild tex-lax, but that after pic is showing type 1 hair, which does bug me.
Kiva! Microfinance works.

Med/Coarse, porous curly.
One word.....pedantic.

That is all.
Oh, I didn't see a pic, but I know that they always advertise BKTs using the hair immediately following the treatment and flat ironing, which is completely misleading because I could flat iron my hair with some silicone without the BKT, and it would look the same.

My hair in my sig and my avatar are BKT'd and then diffused upside down with a bowl diffuser and KCCC. My natural curl pattern is a super-tight, frizz-prone 4a/3c. It is now a 2b with some 3a here and there.

Your resulting curl pattern is dependent upon how tight the curl pattern is when you apply the BKT. The tighter the curl, the less dramatic the relaxation result. My first BKT application showed almost no relaxation--so I did it again 2 weeks later and it took the curl down another level or 2. After another 4 weeks, I did it again, and the curl pattern went down to about a 2a...but it progressively comes back.

Baby fine, honey & caramel hilites, 4a/3c now 2b w/DIY BKT & LOVIN' it.
Cowash-V05 Extra Body
L'oreal EP Moisture-Rinse-out
JFLVM
BRHG mix w/
KCCC/KCKT (winter)
Clean-smelling-hair freak washes EOD; dry w/bowl diffuser
Cassia+henna+grays=Gold-red hilites
~That you don't share my experiences/opinions doesn't invalidate them
I wondered if it tasted like a hot dog. ~Phoenix
I only have one thing to say:

$$$$$$$$...AKA cha-CHING!
Originally Posted by ~Ghost Poster~
I have one thing to say, too:

Sachez chanter! You'd better WORK!!
Whatever you're doing, GP, your hair is fantabulous!
Whatever you're doing, GP, your hair is fantabulous!
Originally Posted by misspam
Yes, it is.

I do take issues with BKTs and such claiming that keratin is what is making the hair straight. I just wish they were more up-front about the ingredients list. I don't have issues with using chemical processes, since I do color.

But, seeing it as a paid forum just doesn't sit right.
Kiva! Microfinance works.

Med/Coarse, porous curly.
Whatever you're doing, GP, your hair is fantabulous!
Originally Posted by misspam
Yes, it is.

I do take issues with BKTs and such claiming that keratin is what is making the hair straight. I just wish they were more up-front about the ingredients list. I don't have issues with using chemical processes, since I do color.

But, seeing it as a paid forum just doesn't sit right.
Originally Posted by redcelticcurls
It is rather odd on a forum that's supposed to promote curly love.
Whatever you're doing, GP, your hair is fantabulous!
Originally Posted by misspam
Considering how beautiful your curls are, I am supremely flattered! Thank you!

Baby fine, honey & caramel hilites, 4a/3c now 2b w/DIY BKT & LOVIN' it.
Cowash-V05 Extra Body
L'oreal EP Moisture-Rinse-out
JFLVM
BRHG mix w/
KCCC/KCKT (winter)
Clean-smelling-hair freak washes EOD; dry w/bowl diffuser
Cassia+henna+grays=Gold-red hilites
~That you don't share my experiences/opinions doesn't invalidate them
I wondered if it tasted like a hot dog. ~Phoenix

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