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Any chance you could restore my post about the cat blood pressure? I can't remember who asked the question about dilated pupils, or I'd PM her.
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The vet said my cat has pre-kidney disease. I've read a lot of debates all over the internet on what this means. She's almost 15 years old and still acts very young. She wouldn't eat the kidney diet crap, and I've been searching for foods that will help with her levels. Right now I'm trying the grain free foods. Does anybody have any other suggestions, or know of anything else that helps? She's skinny, but not super skinny. She needs to gain weight, but isn't. She does look healthier than she did when she was on the kidney food. She seems to have tons of energy on this food. I feed her Blue, Wellness Core, and Avoderm. She's overdue for her blood check, curious to see if the levels went down any more.
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Sixelamy, with kidneys the biggest issue is getting enough water into them, and keeping carbs low. Protein isn't the issue, as long as it's high-quality protein. Raw is really best, with lots of fat (lower phosphorous), but it can be difficult to swtich older cats and you really don't want appetite issues. I'd add water to her food, and monitor her water intake if you can.

My cat was about 15 when he developed CRF. He maintained his numbers pretty well until he also developed hypertension and hyperthyroid, and then he went downhill pretty fast. At the end it was a real challange getting him to get much.

Fancy Feast is one food that seems to appeal to a lot of cats with CRF, and might be something to try if her appetite is really off. My guy ate FF for several months and did pretty well on it. Not the best quality food, but eating is really important. Tanya's CRF website has a lot of good information. Tanya's Comprehensive Guide to Feline Chronic Kidney Disease - Which Foods to Feed, and Which to Avoid
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3a/b, F, normal porosity

Wash with either Suave Tropical Coconut, As I Am, or CJ Daily Fix
Condition with STC or Yes to Blueberries and detangle with Denman, rinse very lightly (baptismal rinse)
Add LAL gel, either Sport or Wet Look, scrunch with flour sack towel, and plop
Diffuse 5 minutes, then air dry
Thanks for the reponse CurlyInTheFog! I only feed my cat wet food now, after having her on a practically all dry diet for years. I feel like this is my fault, and it makes me feel awful. Like I said, I feed her all grain free food, so I guess I am doing the right thing. She wouldn't eat fancy feast, she's very picky and I've narrowed the flavors down that she likes with the grain free foods. She has a huuuuuge appetite - she's just not gaining the weight I'd like to see her gain. But maybe it's the same as humans eating a lean diet, we would "keep our figure" lol. I always joke that my cat would be a model if she were human, because she has beautiful high cheek bones and seems to want to keep her figure. She only drinks bottled water too.. she's so expensive. We've even tried bringing in snow and melting, because she loves rain and snow water. Lots of work. When it rains I'll let her go lick the puddles outside on the table.
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Yeah, dry food isn't good for any cat. You learn as you go--my old boy got dry up until he was about 10. Now all my cats are fed wet with some raw. They were all raw for several years (my dog's been raw fed for years), but between the CRF appetite loss and allergies with two of my other cats, I switched them all back to wet. I needed the time to tend to my sick kitty. If II just had one or two cats, or more cats with no issues, I'd go back to raw in a minute.

If she has a good appetite, then I think you're doing fine. Some cats just don't put on weight, especially as they get older. One of my cats has always been very thin--scrawny, really--and it doesn't seem to matter how much he eats. He only weighs about 8 or 9 pounds, and eats as much as my cat that weighs 13 pounds (and he gets fed a lot because he doesn't gain either), but never really gains weight. Actually he looks like total crap most of the time, lol. I kept taking him to the vet because I was sure there must be something wrong with him, but after blood and urine tests all came back fine my vet told me that some cats just look bad when they age.
3a/b, F, normal porosity

Wash with either Suave Tropical Coconut, As I Am, or CJ Daily Fix
Condition with STC or Yes to Blueberries and detangle with Denman, rinse very lightly (baptismal rinse)
Add LAL gel, either Sport or Wet Look, scrunch with flour sack towel, and plop
Diffuse 5 minutes, then air dry
sixelamy, have you tried a filtered water pet fountain? Maybe your kitty will benefit from that?

My kitty is long and lean from eating only grain free wet food. She is two years old.

How can I get her to allow her claws to be clipped without flipping out? She flips out at the home, the groomers and the vet's office. She has done so since she was a little kitten.

She also doesn't like her belly touched or to be picked up. She will come to you and turn around with her tail in the air, look at you over her should and squeak. That means pet me now and you have to continue until she deems that you have done enough or she will squeak at you again, turn her tail, look at you with a look that says "I will let you know when to stop". She is such a diva!
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If she can be scruffed, that's probably the best way to go, with one person scruffing and the other clipping. But not all cats can be scruffed really effectively. One of mine goes absolutely still if you scruff him, and his nails are easy to clip. The rest of the cats, not so much.

Otherwise, you can try desensitizing him. I've done it with a dog and a dremel, but it would be more or less the same procedure with a cat. Use treats he can't resist. Start with letting him sniff the clippers--treat, treat, treat. Then touch the clippers to his feet--treat. Then hold him in a clipping position--treat. Hold him in the position and hold the clippers to his feet, etc. You can figure out how to proceed from there. How long all this will take depends on him, but start very slowly and only try one step at a time until you're sure of how he'll react. Make sure you have clippers that are easy to use. We have scissor-type and they're great.

This stuff is total kitty crack and would make a great training treat: Amazon.com : Vetoquinol Pill Masker Dog Supplement, 4-Ounce : Pet Antioxidant Nutritional Supplements : Pet Supplies. You could use very small bits.
3a/b, F, normal porosity

Wash with either Suave Tropical Coconut, As I Am, or CJ Daily Fix
Condition with STC or Yes to Blueberries and detangle with Denman, rinse very lightly (baptismal rinse)
Add LAL gel, either Sport or Wet Look, scrunch with flour sack towel, and plop
Diffuse 5 minutes, then air dry
Thanks CurlyInTheFog. I figured I would have to go that route. I was hoping for a shorter process, but you are right, this will be the best way. That is how I was able to get her to accept getting her flea meds put on her without flipping out. It's also how I am trying to train to get used to a leash.

texture - medium/fine, porosity - low/normal, elasticity - normal
co-wash - NaturelleGrow Coconut Water or Marshmallow Root, Slippery Elm Bark & Blue Malva Cleansing Conditioners
LI - KCKT mixed w/ SM C & H Curl & Style Milk
DC - NG Mango & Coconut H2O or Chamomile/Brdck Root
Gel - SM souffle (winter), KCCC (summer) or CR Naturals Aloe Whipped Butter Gel (year round)
Sealers - Virgin Coconut Oil, Avocado butter, Aloe butter
Ayurvedic treatments - Jamila Henna, Sukesh, Aloe Vera Powder, Hibiscus Powder
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One of our cats is trained to a harness, but not very well, lol. It's mostly so he can be out with the other cats in the evening while we're watching TV or whatever (he attacks them, so is always separated). We just put the harness on him and let him wig out a bit, but it didn't last long. He doesn't particularly like it, and will run away if he sees us take it out, but doesn't pitch a fit once it's on. He just sleeps on a lap anyway, so it's not like it tugs or anything.

I don't know why you can't scruff all cats equally effectively. It would make things a lot easier and they don't seem to be bothered by it at all.
3a/b, F, normal porosity

Wash with either Suave Tropical Coconut, As I Am, or CJ Daily Fix
Condition with STC or Yes to Blueberries and detangle with Denman, rinse very lightly (baptismal rinse)
Add LAL gel, either Sport or Wet Look, scrunch with flour sack towel, and plop
Diffuse 5 minutes, then air dry
Thanks for the reponse CurlyInTheFog! I only feed my cat wet food now, after having her on a practically all dry diet for years. I feel like this is my fault, and it makes me feel awful. Like I said, I feed her all grain free food, so I guess I am doing the right thing. She wouldn't eat fancy feast, she's very picky and I've narrowed the flavors down that she likes with the grain free foods. She has a huuuuuge appetite - she's just not gaining the weight I'd like to see her gain. But maybe it's the same as humans eating a lean diet, we would "keep our figure" lol. I always joke that my cat would be a model if she were human, because she has beautiful high cheek bones and seems to want to keep her figure. She only drinks bottled water too.. she's so expensive. We've even tried bringing in snow and melting, because she loves rain and snow water. Lots of work. When it rains I'll let her go lick the puddles outside on the table.
Originally Posted by sixelamy
Gosh don't feel guilty. Pretty much any cat over 12 has some level of kidney disease. They are old, even though they can still be acting young (They don't know their age). Actually if she is acting well that means she feels pretty well.
I would really like to have a raw fed cat from kittenhood into old age, because I bet you anything that cat wouldn't develop CRF. Carbs and cats just don't go together.

My 13 year old cat's kidneys are OK thus far. He does have FLUTD, but his kidney numbers are good. Actually my old boy that had CRF had good numbers until he was about 14 or 15. I think it's harder to keep them going with CRF once they're over 15, though. Too many other things that can start going wrong.
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3a/b, F, normal porosity

Wash with either Suave Tropical Coconut, As I Am, or CJ Daily Fix
Condition with STC or Yes to Blueberries and detangle with Denman, rinse very lightly (baptismal rinse)
Add LAL gel, either Sport or Wet Look, scrunch with flour sack towel, and plop
Diffuse 5 minutes, then air dry
I don't know. Even tigers get crf and they are on a raw diet.
What happened to the original thread?

What happened to the original thread?
Originally Posted by Munchy
3a/b, CG mostly.
Mexico City.
Soooooo, I took juanab's suggestion and just called the animal control division of the police dept and left a mesage w/ an officer about the lunging dog on the too-long chain at the end of my street. The officer called me back and said I had failed to leave a couple of pieces of info needed for him to make the trip out there. But as soon as I call back with the missing info, he will speak to the owner, if the dog is outside, and tell him the chain has to be shortened or the dog has to be enclosed. And if he doesn't comply, it will be a finable citation. I'll be keeping my eye on this. I don't think it would be a big deal to shorten the chain by 10-12 feet. I'm hoping the conversation goes well! And it's a win-win for everyone.

(Backstory: the owner keeps his dog on a very long chain that extends past the sidewalk and just into the street. As ppl (and other dogs) walk by, the dog lunges at them. A few of us have complained to the owner but he gets belligerent and just takes the dog inside for a few days and then puts him back out on the long chain.)
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Last edited by spiderlashes5000; 06-23-2014 at 11:29 AM.
I don't know. Even tigers get crf and they are on a raw diet.
Originally Posted by chupie
You're right, I don't think it would be impossible, but less likely. Although I'd like to see the numbers on captive tigers vs. wild tigers. While I think that raw diets are better than commercial cooked, it's not quite the same as an entirely wild diet because you're cobbling the "prey" together instead of feeding whole prey, at least most of the time.
3a/b, F, normal porosity

Wash with either Suave Tropical Coconut, As I Am, or CJ Daily Fix
Condition with STC or Yes to Blueberries and detangle with Denman, rinse very lightly (baptismal rinse)
Add LAL gel, either Sport or Wet Look, scrunch with flour sack towel, and plop
Diffuse 5 minutes, then air dry
Soooooo, I took juanab's suggestion and just called the animal control division of the police dept and left a mesage w/ an officer about the lunging dog on the too-long chain at the end of my street. The officer called me back and said I had failed to leave a couple of pieces of info needed for him to make the trip out there. But as soon as I call back with the missing info, he will speak to the owner, if the dog is outside, and tell him the chain has to be shortened or the dog has to be enclosed. And if he doesn't comply, it will be a finable citation. I'll be keeping my eye on this. I don't think it would be a big deal to shorten the chain by 10-12 feet. I'm hoping the conversation goes well! And it's a win-win for everyone.

(Backstory: the owner keeps his dog on a very long chain that extends past the sidewalk and just into the street. As ppl (and other dogs) walk by, the dog lunges at them. A few of us have complained to the owner but he gets belligerent and just takes the dog inside for a few days and then puts him back out on the long chain.)
Originally Posted by spiderlashes5000
Hopefully the officer will get through to the owner. It is very concerning for both the residents and the dog. I guess the owner hasn't considered the scenario that the dog could chase someone out into the road and get hit by a car. Ownership of an animal is a very serious matter. You have to consider all possible scenarios just as you would with a child.

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DC - NG Mango & Coconut H2O or Chamomile/Brdck Root
Gel - SM souffle (winter), KCCC (summer) or CR Naturals Aloe Whipped Butter Gel (year round)
Sealers - Virgin Coconut Oil, Avocado butter, Aloe butter
Ayurvedic treatments - Jamila Henna, Sukesh, Aloe Vera Powder, Hibiscus Powder
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The vet just suggested a pet fountain, so I will have to look into that. She also suggested subcutaneous fluids. Have any of you ever done that? Her levels went up quite significantly, I took her in on Friday. I've since switched back to the food that I knew she was doing well on. Seems like Wellness Core was the only food that kept her stable and dropped a point.

sixelamy, have you tried a filtered water pet fountain? Maybe your kitty will benefit from that?
Originally Posted by juanab
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