Perfection

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Maybe this isn't the right place to post this, maybe it is, but I've been contemplating this for some time. I mean I know nobody is perfect in their own eyes, but what about perfect morally? I mean if people focused on their moral actions as much as a boyfriend or career could be possible? What are some ways I could go about achieving this and what are some things that might hold me back? I know some of you are thinking I am stupid, but I still want answers and EVERYONE has the right to share their own opinion.
I think it depends because morals are quite subjective in some case and very prone to bias. I don't see this big deal with being perfect any way. Just be nice and kind to others, why can't that be enough?
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Good Luck with that - in my opinion we can try as much as we want - but we are human and we slip up. We aren't meant to be perfect.

It all goes back to the fall of man in Genesis.
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Yep, we are human. We have feelings and emotions and reactions - some of us more than others.

I'm not Buddhist, nor am I saying to become Buddhist, but you may want to look at some Buddhist teachings. They are pretty much about the good of man, very simple to understand. Love is the greatest gift that is lacking in a lot of areas. Love your neighbor as theyself - something everyone could use to live by. Problem is, a lot of people don't love themselves. That's the first step. Also, if you're religious, read your Bible.
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The Christian Bible teaches that only God is perfect (Jesus was the only perfect human), and regular humans all fall short of his perfection. Accordingly, it would be impossible to be or expect to be prefect. But you can strive to emulate Jesus' traits and follow his words/commands and also those of (some of) his disciples.
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I guess mine is the perspective of a secular humanist. I don't know about perfection...there are too many grey areas (think, for instance, about animal rights), but I don't believe in relativism either. Societies can have different moral codes, but they can also evolve toward a more universal model that is as fair and just as possible, otherwise one could not speak of progress.

I think the Golden Rule generally works, sometimes utilitarianism is necessary. But I would say morality generally requires both feelings of empathy and reason. I don't believe religion is necessary. Fairness and reciprocity are seen in many different animals, including other primates. We evolved to be cooperative animals. But we are also naturally inclined to have biases and fear those who are different from us. Originally our ancestors lived in small communities and had to defend themselves from rival groups. Many religions mirror these biases and hence are a mixture of good and bad moral practices.

Luckily, we are also capable of reasoning and expanding our idea of community to encompass the whole of humanity. I think the struggle today is to shed ourselves of prejudices and adopt more rational moral codes that are fair and inclusive, and sometimes that requires distancing yourself from the problem and putting personal feelings aside. Let people be happy in their choices if they harm no one, regardless of your personal sensibilities. That is not to say that feelings don't matter. Sociopaths are perfectly capable of understanding morality rationally, but without empathy, they simply don't care. But feelings can often cloud your judgement.
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There are so many grey areas.


But, look at Gods laws - look at what Jesus told his disciples to do - even if your not a Christian - they are good values to live by and common sense.
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I guess mine is the perspective of a secular humanist. I don't know about perfection...there are too many grey areas (think, for instance, about animal rights), but I don't believe in relativism either. Societies can have different moral codes, but they can also evolve toward a more universal model that is as fair and just as possible, otherwise one could not speak of progress.

I think the Golden Rule generally works, sometimes utilitarianism is necessary. But I would say morality generally requires both feelings of empathy and reason. I don't believe religion is necessary. Fairness and reciprocity are seen in many different animals, including other primates. We evolved to be cooperative animals. But we are also naturally inclined to have biases and fear those who are different from us. Originally our ancestors lived in small communities and had to defend themselves from rival groups. Many religions mirror these biases and hence are a mixture of good and bad moral practices.

Luckily, we are also capable of reasoning and expanding our idea of community to encompass the whole of humanity. I think the struggle today is to shed ourselves of prejudices and adopt more rational moral codes that are fair and inclusive, and sometimes that requires distancing yourself from the problem and putting personal feelings aside. Let people be happy in their choices if they harm no one, regardless of your personal sensibilities. That is not to say that feelings don't matter. Sociopaths are perfectly capable of understanding morality rationally, but without empathy, they simply don't care. But feelings can often cloud your judgement.
Originally Posted by Dedachan

You gotta accentuate the positive. Eliminate the negative...

I do agree with a lot of what you said. The Golden Rule is of great importance. It wouldn't be found in so many religions if it were not, and one does not have to be religious to follow (wise) words to live by. I see no harm in people following whatever path they choose, as long as it is not truly hurting someone. As we know, perfection is unattainable. Removing negative/suffering is impossible and so is avoiding all discomfort and hurt feelings. I see a large number of people who act like differing views, opinions and ways from their own are the end of the world. Personal views/feelings can absolutely cloud judgement but we are not meant to be monolithic. That destroys all creative thinking and growth. With that said, I can not tell you steps to achieve your personal moral higher code Spider. I don't think it's silly. It is a wonderful thing to strive toward, with in reason.
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