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Old 04-15-2004, 04:47 PM   #21
 
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All I know is that I'm going to stay away from the bored until after I have seen it.

Anyone remember the SATC fiasco? I don't want anyone's crazy cousins/roommates/alter-egos spoiling anything.

And with that...I say:

BILL...or Kwame. That's what makes this so fun!
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Old 04-15-2004, 04:50 PM   #22
 
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I like them both.....

I agree w/ what the first two said about Kwame. I'll take a laid back boss any day.

You all have to remember that we only saw a 1/2 hour of the events last week. We'll get the rest tonite, then we'll be able to see how Kwame reacts and if there is a mole on Bill's team.

He handled O just fine.

I'm sad to hear he is a skirt chaser too. To me that is a sign of insecurity.

I still don't like Donald. or the rest of the women.
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Old 04-15-2004, 05:20 PM   #23
 
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Am I the only one who was disappointed in the caliber of the contestants, and would prefer not having any of them running a company I worked for?
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Old 04-15-2004, 06:37 PM   #24
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Whoever wins should hire the other one straight away!
If Bill wins I can see Kwame being ok with being a subordinate but I don't know if I can say the same thing for the reverse...I see Bill being pissed off. Just me....
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Alright, so I didn't think I would be, but I am really disappointed that Kwame didn't win. And I HATE OMAROSA! What was her freakin problem!!! She wasn't a test for Kwame, she is just an evil woman.

I think its crappy that Trump was disappointed the Kwame didn't fire her. They were in a situation where they were very pressed for time, and incompetent or not, she was still manpower that Kwame needed.

I agree that Kwame should have gotten a bit more involved when things started to go awry, but I do not believe that Bill's philosophy of micromanaging every aspect of his employees is any better. And given the extreme's I prefer Kwame to Bill. Did you see how annoyed Katrina and Amy were getting with Bill as he kept repeatedly checking up on them?

I just love Kwame's demeanor and I think he projects a very professional, calm, cool, collected image. I agree that you can't let your troops see you panic.

Damn the man. Now I'm sad.
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I cannot believe Bill won...frankly I am in shock. It just seemed Donald liked Kwame more!!

Also, when they talked about the next one he said something about Omarossa coming back... I hate her and I cannot stand her lying big mouth!! Uggh. I think the Don said something to her about getting her act together when they were all talking at the end...but I cannot really remember.
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Old 04-15-2004, 10:26 PM   #27
 
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It just came on here 20 mins ago and after Bill lost the sponsor's sign, I figured Kwame has it won but then Bill resourcefully found the sign so I'm back to undecided but I'm leaning toward Kwame. He is soo cool under pressure and everybody likes him. That's my prediction. Back to the tv
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What a cool ending!! I love how they changed the music. I wish Kwame would've won. I thought someone on here said they knew for sure from someone somewhere that he was gonna win. Oh well. I'm still happy for Bill.
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Good ending, good choice of people, and great choice of projects on Bill's part. What an unbelievable opportunity for him!

I loved it when Donald Trump cut Omarosa off at the end of the show when she started to give him an answer that wasn't even to his question. Apparently, she wasn't a plant... just a whacko.
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Darnit, my pick didn't win, but that's cool...they're both great guys, just different styles. Bill's new position sounds very cool, and I'm sure the offers will be pouring in for Kwame...

I really hope next season has a much better selection of women!
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Old 04-16-2004, 06:28 AM   #31
 
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Apparently, she wasn't a plant... just a whacko.
Sad isn't it? I'm watching Trump right now on the Today show and he said that Kwame's handling of Omarosa was responsible for his firing.

I liked Kwame a lot. Part of me wanted him to win, because he seems like a great guy. But I'm not sure I'd like him as a boss. I don't like to be micro-managed (or hyper-jittery bosses), but I do like some direction. I would feel anxious working for Kwame.

I'm having some really negative feelings toward Omarosa right now.
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Bill is a freak. He's jumpy, doesn't trust people to do their job and didn't seem to have a real plan. He planned for everything? That was just a crock. I also thought his team was not honest in the boardroom when asked to critique his performance. Bill wasn't resourceful in finding that sign he was panicked and got lucky. How do you not pay attention to the advertising for a major sponsor? He couldn't even tell the grounds guys for certain what the sign even looked like.

I would love to work for Kwame. 1) His philosophy is to hire competent people and trust them to do their jobs. He doesn't "hover." 2) He cut Omarossa off at the knees, but still managed to let her think she was actually "in charge" of something. 3) He knew when to put a "trouble shooter" in place he could trust when things went awry. 4) He's also capable and willing to answer a direct question when asked by "The Donald." Bill squirmed.

I have a feeling Trump might hire Kwame to "groom" him for long-term with the company. He seemed to like him. George really seemed to be a fan of Kwame's.

That casino manager was a butt. Kwame, Heidi (?) and Troy all remembered telling him about the breakfast and the time.
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Old 04-16-2004, 07:23 AM   #33
 
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I think Bill deserved to win. I like Kwame, but we just don't have the same style.

Call me a micro-manager, but I would have kept tabs on stuff better than just assuming that people are doing their jobs. I consider myself pretty laid back, but I always know what's going on especially with the major details.
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As a lowly administrative assistant, I am going to give my opinion on micro-managing. I agree you shouldn't have to do it to a large extent, but if you have employees you don't "think" are doing their jobs right or effectively, you step in. I don't think Kwame stepped in and reigned Omarosa in like he should have. It's one thing to say you don't like to micro-manage when you have worked with a company for a while and have worked with your people for a while on a few different projects. I don't think any"new" manager should ever assume anything until they have a feel for their workers. Granted Kwame had worked with these people in "test" environments previously, but I don't think he really knew them well enough to assume anything.

Bill was maybe a little hyper/nervous, but he got the job done. Had I been in his place (or Kwame's) I would have double-checked on everything too. Besides being an actual business project, this still was a game and the goal was to win. Donald Trump has openly said Omarosa did Kwame in; Bill's double-checking on everyone would probably not have let this happen.

I will defend Kwame on one thing... they should have been told they had all rights as a "boss" even if it meant "firing" someone who was not doing their job. I wasn't sure Kwame or Bill had that much power either and apparently neither were they.
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As a lowly administrative assistant, I am going to give my opinion on micro-managing. I agree you shouldn't have to do it to a large extent, but if you have employees you don't "think" are doing their jobs right or effectively, you step in. I don't think Kwame stepped in and reigned Omarosa in like he should have. It's one thing to say you don't like to micro-manage when you have worked with a company for a while and have worked with your people for a while on a few different projects. I don't think any"new" manager should ever assume anything until they have a feel for their workers. Granted Kwame had worked with these people in "test" environments previously, but I don't think he really knew them well enough to assume anything.
I don't agree with this necessarily. Omarosa was one participant selected from 250,000 applicants. I don't think it was unfair of Kwame to assume she didn't need him to hold her hand. With new employees and definately with employees of a lesser caliber, I totally agree. But she's supposed to be among the best of the best.

And after her initial screw up, she didn't really have any responsibilities. So what was he supposed to 'take' from her? At that point, Troy and Heidi were responsible for the rest of the tasks.
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I think Kwame made the mistake of thinking that if he just ignored Omarosa she would just go away. Even though she didn't have any responsibilities she still screwed things up - like taking Jessica Simpson back to the room without telling anyone and then not picking up her phone. After the first time they weren't able to get in touch with her, Kwame should have told her to make sure she had her phone on her person at all times. He didn't have to do it like he was reprimanding her, even though she deserved it, just matter of factly. He could have even told them all that as a group. Instead he just ignored her bad behavior which led to his downfall.

I think Trump made the right decision based on last nights episode. I really like Kwame, but if he's going to be a CEO he can't be so passive in his management style.
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I'm very excited that Bill won - he did an incredible job. And he was just beaming! It was so cute.

He was making me nervous with his running around, but he was cool when he needed to be and he made sure the job was done. I'm going to echo what some other people were saying, but Kwame did not put his all into his assignment. He has a great mannerism and it's nice that he doesn't get frazzled, but he was too lackadaisical.

Why would he possibly think that he could've trusted Omarosa to get a job done without checking up on her -- did he really trust her? He definitely needed to follow up with people instead of just giving orders and getting out of the way. For example with the meet & greet when Heidi confronted him with her concerns and he said that none of them had ever organized a meet & greet -- he offered ZERO guidance. That's not a leader. Yeah, he said he trusted her and it was her gig, but you need to give a little more than that.

George is annoying too - I think Carolyn wanted to smack him. And I read recently that he said, "Men are better team players by nature" or something like that. Whatever, George.

And I don't think that Nick, Amy and Katrina lied or held back in the boardroom - they expressed that he got flustered and messed up a few times, but he's a great leader. Looking at all of them and thinking about their performances, he is the only one I could see trusting to take on a responsibility as big as the one being given to him.
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I totally disagree that Kwame shouldn't have had to micro-manage Omarosa's hand because "since she made the final 16 she was supposed to be the best of the best." First and foremost, this was a TV show. These people were contestants... not necessarily "the best of the best." I read on the internet yesterday that the people who do the interviewing for these shows know exactly what they are looking for... including someone who might add controversy to the show. Their conclusion was that Omarosa lived up to exactly what they wanted from her as far as ratings, as did Sam. They are controversial and were never going to win. Donald Trump had full control over who he would put through to the next week and who he wouldn't. There was never any chance of her being made head of one of his companies so he didn't have to worry about that. But when it came to the final showdown, her performance reflected on Kwame's performance; therefore, he should have "micro-managed" her more effectively. This may turn out to be a valuable lesson on The Apprentice 2... don't assume you are working with "the best of the best."
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Yeah, I think Bill was resourceful b/c who else would have thought to check the dumpster and then do it himself? That's not luck, that's smart. He was a little unorganized to begin with to lose it.

When it came down to the end I really wanted Kwame to win but Trump has a point about his handling of Omarosa, and now the whole world can despise her even more for ruining it for Kwame. She won't have a friend in the world and that's fitting. Kwame will be okay b/c the whole world loves him.
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George is annoying too - I think Carolyn wanted to smack him. And I read recently that he said, "Men are better team players by nature" or something like that. Whatever, George.
I agree with George, I'm sorry to say, just based on my experience in the workplace. Go to any office that's all women and the atmosphere sucks. It's catty and competitive and cliqueish.
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