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Old 04-16-2004, 09:57 AM   #41
 
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I agree with munchkin and Ammeriedrifts about Bill & Kwame. I don't think Omarossa lost it for Kwame, he did it himself by not making sure her job was getting done. I do admit he had a big handicap with her on his team, but as The Donald pointed out HE PICKED HER. No way would I have picked her if I was him.
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not that it matters, but he would have been stuck with her whether he picked her or not. Bill chose first, and he obviously wasn't going to choose her.
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I thought of that and you are absolutely right, but still, he did pick her when he didn't have to.
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Yeah, after Bill chose Amy, Kwame's next choice should've been Nick or Katrina, I think.
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Alright, so I didn't think I would be, but I am really disappointed that Kwame didn't win. And I HATE OMAROSA! What was her freakin problem!!! She wasn't a test for Kwame, she is just an evil woman.

I think its crappy that Trump was disappointed the Kwame didn't fire her. They were in a situation where they were very pressed for time, and incompetent or not, she was still manpower that Kwame needed.

I agree that Kwame should have gotten a bit more involved when things started to go awry, but I do not believe that Bill's philosophy of micromanaging every aspect of his employees is any better. And given the extreme's I prefer Kwame to Bill. Did you see how annoyed Katrina and Amy were getting with Bill as he kept repeatedly checking up on them?

I just love Kwame's demeanor and I think he projects a very professional, calm, cool, collected image. I agree that you can't let your troops see you panic.

Damn the man. Now I'm sad.
I don't think she is evil, but she is the type of woman who likes to be in control. Like Trump said she wanted to be him. On last weeks episode seh said to him, you need to get up here now to fix this... So I don't think she is evil on purpose. She is just very controlling and manipulative, and a liar. She wants to be in charge and can't handle it when she isn't.

I agree w/ your assesment of Kwame and Bill. Kwame could have stepped up a little but BIll, he would've pissed me off.

I'm happy for him.

I didn't watch the rest of the episdoe. I had to tape it. (to much stuff on).
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Yeah, after Bill chose Amy, Kwame's next choice should've been Nick or Katrina, I think.
I think he chose the team he chose because he had a repoire with those players. The teams ended up being the same as they were when all those players were still around. And he probably chose O before Heidi bc he erroneously believed O to be the better candidate.
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Darnit, my pick didn't win, but that's cool...they're both great guys, just different styles. Bill's new position sounds very cool, and I'm sure the offers will be pouring in for Kwame...

I really hope next season has a much better selection of women!
I agree. So do I, the women sucked. They were all bad. THey just chose to spotlight one.
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Apparently, she wasn't a plant... just a whacko.
Sad isn't it? I'm watching Trump right now on the Today show and he said that Kwame's handling of Omarosa was responsible for his firing.

I liked Kwame a lot. Part of me wanted him to win, because he seems like a great guy. But I'm not sure I'd like him as a boss. I don't like to be micro-managed (or hyper-jittery bosses), but I do like some direction. I would feel anxious working for Kwame.

I'm having some really negative feelings toward Omarosa right now.
Did Kwame know he could fire her? I didn't know they could, b/c she would have been gone. She was to busy trying to smooze w/ Jessica and her people. WRONG! That is Kwame's job.
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One funny thing: did you guys catch the looks Jessica Simpson & Nick Lachey had on their faces when they were watching Omorosa strutting around in the suite? Hysterical.
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She is just very controlling and manipulative, and a liar. She wants to be in charge and can't handle it when she isn't.
Doesn't that == (evil) ??
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Apparently, she wasn't a plant... just a whacko.
Sad isn't it? I'm watching Trump right now on the Today show and he said that Kwame's handling of Omarosa was responsible for his firing.

I liked Kwame a lot. Part of me wanted him to win, because he seems like a great guy. But I'm not sure I'd like him as a boss. I don't like to be micro-managed (or hyper-jittery bosses), but I do like some direction. I would feel anxious working for Kwame.

I'm having some really negative feelings toward Omarosa right now.
Did Kwame know he could fire her? I didn't know they could, b/c she would have been gone. She was to busy trying to smooze w/ Jessica and her people. WRONG! That is Kwame's job.
Yeah, Kwame said he didn't know -- I didn't know either. I felt bad about that, but he probably wouldn't have fired her anyway, unfortunately. They should've made it clear that the leaders had that option.
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Bill is a freak. He's jumpy, doesn't trust people to do their job and didn't seem to have a real plan. He planned for everything? That was just a crock. I also thought his team was not honest in the boardroom when asked to critique his performance. Bill wasn't resourceful in finding that sign he was panicked and got lucky. How do you not pay attention to the advertising for a major sponsor? He couldn't even tell the grounds guys for certain what the sign even looked like.

I would love to work for Kwame. 1) His philosophy is to hire competent people and trust them to do their jobs. He doesn't "hover." 2) He cut Omarossa off at the knees, but still managed to let her think she was actually "in charge" of something. 3) He knew when to put a "trouble shooter" in place he could trust when things went awry. 4) He's also capable and willing to answer a direct question when asked by "The Donald." Bill squirmed.

I have a feeling Trump might hire Kwame to "groom" him for long-term with the company. He seemed to like him. George really seemed to be a fan of Kwame's.

That casino manager was a butt. Kwame, Heidi (?) and Troy all remembered telling him about the breakfast and the time.
I agree.

But about the breakfast, I have planned for events and when it came down to food. I made the order, called back to make sure they got the order. Called the day before to make sure they had the order and called the day of to make sure everything will be fine. They should have called catering at 8am to make sure things would ahve been set for 10. You just don't mess around w/ food stuff like that.
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not that it matters, but he would have been stuck with her whether he picked her or not. Bill chose first, and he obviously wasn't going to choose her.
Exactly....
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She is just very controlling and manipulative, and a liar. She wants to be in charge and can't handle it when she isn't.
Doesn't that == (evil) ??
No, b/c I honestly don't think she knows. I am talking about the controlling and manipulating part. I know it sounds weird. I just don't think she knows. I grew up w/ someone like this and dated someone like this and in all honesty they had no idea how they were. Even when I brought it up to the first person they were like, but I don't do it anymore, when they do. It is weird. Even my old boss who was like this and a micromanager would cuss you out and go off on you at the drop of a hat and two seconds later acted like everything was fine. The first person did this too and still does it. I wouldn't be surprised if all of them had BPD. But that is another thread...
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Just thinking about Assorama puts a pit in my stomach. She made it painfully obvious she is all package and no substance when She couldn't respond to Donald's question.

Although, I can't fully blame her for Kwame's loss, I sure wish she wasn't a part of the final task. Bill didn't have a dissenter, so it's hard to say their tasks were equal. Also, I think the teams would have been the same if Kwame had first pick. I wish Assorama was the first woman to go!

Anyway, Bill was a steady performer and deserved the win.
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I thought they both deserved to win...
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Bill was lucky with the trash. The first thing you do, if possible, is ask the people who move/clean things in your office. The next thing you do is go look in the trash. Why? It gets emptied most frequently, once it's gone it's gone and people tend to think boxes you just leave laying around aren't all that important.

The teams would have wound up the same, I think. Better the devil you know than the devil you don't. He probably didn't trust Bill's team b/c it was pretty much a "clique" in a way Kwame's wasn't. Plus, he couldn't have Katrina and Troy working together after their "apartment episode." Amy's passive aggressive and Nick is an empty suit.

If Kwame had known he could fire people, Omarossa would have been gone.
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No, b/c I honestly don't think she knows.
Hoo boy, I couldn't disagree more. I think she knew exactly what she was doing but the age old question is when someone is nuts (and I think she is) are they responsible for their bad actions? She probably doesn't have a clue that her behavior is wrong only b/c she justifies it to herself in probably 100 different ways, but it's still wrong. She's just too delusional to see it.

I hope the media follows her and we all learn what a miserable life she leads. She deserves to be miserable until she gets honest with herself. What did Trump say? She needs to get familiar with the truth or something like that. He shut her down.
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The teams would have wound up the same, I think. Better the devil you know than the devil you don't. He probably didn't trust Bill's team b/c it was pretty much a "clique" in a way Kwame's wasn't. Plus, he couldn't have Katrina and Troy working together after their "apartment episode." Amy's passive aggressive and Nick is an empty suit.

If Kwame had known he could fire people, Omarossa would have been gone.
As much as I don't like Amy -- she is very competent. And Nick is too for that matter -- they take everything very seriously.

I highly doubt that Kwame would've fired Omarosa. Highly. He said himself that he needed 3 people to get the job done and couldn't have lost one.
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I took Kwame as needing to offer some sort of explanation and he additionally said he didn't know he could fire people. He repeatedly said he would fire her if he could.

Nick & Amy -- We have to agree to disagree. I thought Trump's interviewers described them perfectly. Nick is a slick salesman and only offers slickness and thinks iimage will get him over. Amy -- I never thought she offered anything substantive.. I think she was picked so much b/c the only person she ever disagreed with or expressed a strong opiinion too was Omarossa.

I can see Bill being a high level manager, but not running a company. He's too manic.
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