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Aya9877 04-15-2004 01:08 PM

Apprentice tonight. Who's it gonna be? ** Spoilers **
 
MSNBC has it's own theory..

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4704160

Who do you want and who do you think will win?

Some interesting points from the article..

Omarasa as a mole? Why would Donald jeopardize his own events? He loses money if things don't go well. He wants them both to succeed.

Kwame is a laid back people person. If you had the choice, who would you rather work for? Bill may have a good track record, but he's also very uptight. I wouldn't want him as my boss.

I would like to see Kwame win, but Bill does have the better track record. I guess it will come down to what The Donald is looking for in a boss. Are Kwame's people skills going to help him in the long run?

bounce 04-15-2004 01:17 PM

I pick Kwame. My reasoning is b/c having Omarosa on his team really presented a touch situation for a manager - one of his "employees" totally dropped the ball and lied about it - what a frickin nightmare!

But, he's handled it BEAUTIFULLY! Kudos to him.

For that, I think he'll win.

ShrekLover 04-15-2004 01:17 PM

I think Bill will win, but I like them both. I think Kwame is not a good people manager due to watching his inept handling of the Omorrosa matter. I think the theory that she is a mole is intriguing, but if she is or isn't Kwame needed to get her in hand and he didn't. Maybe he recovered, we'll see tonight. Bill does seem uptight and as people I like Kwame better, but I want a boss who is on top of things and doesn't let things get out of control. We didn't see enough of Bill's group last week to be sure of how he is going to do.

ShrekLover 04-15-2004 01:19 PM

How odd. Bounce and I see Kwame's handling of Omarossa completely differently. I don't remember him doing anything last week to correct the situation or get Omarossa in line. Did I miss something?

bounce 04-15-2004 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by sdcurly
How odd. Bounce and I see Kwame's handling of Omarossa completely differently. I don't remember him doing anything last week to correct the situation or get Omarossa in line. Did I miss something?

Exactly! Rather than calling her out and focusing on what she did wrong, he just fixed the situation, and I'm sure intends to deal with her later. He needed to get the job done, and it seems like he did.

ETA - I'm just thinking about when he talked to the transportation people. Omarosa's all, "I'm not understanding where the misconfusion was, blah blah blah," and Kwame called them, took over, apologized, mended the situation and continued.

Omarosa shouldn't have to be watched - she's a competant person. She should take her task and deliver, and let Kwame know if she's having any problems.

ShrekLover 04-15-2004 01:24 PM

What did he do to fix it? I really don't remember anything.

bounce 04-15-2004 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by sdcurly
What did he do to fix it? I really don't remember anything.

It seems to me like he just continued full steam ahead with the project and took over her tasks. Considering their timeline, there's no time to address her stupidity. He just identified the problem (not only did she screw up transportation, but she was really rude to the contact), and rather than playing the "who's the blame game" focused on the bottomline of getting the project done.

That's why I think that.

I seriously cannot spell today - sorry!

GurlwithCurls 04-15-2004 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by bounce
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Originally Posted by sdcurly
How odd. Bounce and I see Kwame's handling of Omarossa completely differently. I don't remember him doing anything last week to correct the situation or get Omarossa in line. Did I miss something?

Exactly! Rather than calling her out and focusing on what she did wrong, he just fixed the situation, and I'm sure intends to deal with her later. He needed to get the job done, and it seems like he did.

I agree that Kwame's simply correcting the situation and letting her know that she should have told them about any business-related calls was a far savvier way of dealing with the mishap than creating a brouhaha and risking further alienating Omarosa, who frankly is volatile and capable of doing further harm if publicly humilated over her lie. He knows how she operates. It looks as though he is entrusting her with less important tasks and has Troy watching over her at this point too, which is a smart move. Kwame is a cool laid-back guy, but I don't think he's a chump. He seems like the type who, in a real-world situation, if he needed to, would take you away in private, smile, say its nothing personal and then fire you on the spot.

AmmerieDrifts 04-15-2004 01:30 PM

I voted for Bill -- I think he encompasses more leadership qualities than Kwame does and is good with people too. I like Kwame and I think he had great potential, but he needs to rough it a bit more.

I don't remember Kwame fixing the situation either. Yeah, he kept his cool & talked with Jessica Simpson's dad not letting on that there was a problem or anything, but he didn't really deal with Omarosa's idiotic fumble at all. I think at the dinner table when she got the call he should've pressed the issue a bit more -- it was obvious she was hiding something. And I might be wrong, but wasn't Troy even giving her a harder time at dinner about the call than Kwame was?

God, I can't wait for tonight.

ETA: I see your points about Kwame getting the job done and dealing with her later though.

ShrekLover 04-15-2004 01:36 PM

Did anybody see Datelines "Behind the Apprentice" last night? I have to say I was very disappointed that Kwame called himself a skirt chaser in light of his being separated from his wife. It makes me wonder if he cheated on her (just speculating). I was floored to see that Omarossa is married. I don't know, I just would have figured she'd be too hard to live with to be married. Amy bugged me a bit too, but I'm not sure why. I liked Katrina better after Dateline. She seemed nicer than what I had thought. Still don't feel like I know anything about Bill as a person. Troy seems just as nice as I always thought.

munchkin 04-15-2004 01:40 PM

I am going to vote for Kwame because (a) I want him to win and (b) he is the underdog according to all the articles I have read.

I do have to side with sdcurly... I didn't see Kwame really do anything. He apologized, but last I knew Jessica was still missing. I am hoping that something shows up tonight that he can fix the problem. The previews show Bill awfully flustered... maybe he will fall apart under the pressure.

I don't know; it's a crap shoot at this stage of the game!

NetG 04-15-2004 01:41 PM

I don't think Kwame did anything to deal with Omarosa either. He spoke with the woman Omarosa was obnoxious to, but didn't help out either, until Jessica was already lost.

A good leader would have seen Omarosa was messing up, and done it himself from the beginning. Had I been Kwame, I would have called up Trump and asked if I was allowed to fire one of my team members. If not, she would have been given quiet time in a corner the rest of the activity anyway.


I *like* Kwame, and think he's going to win. But I wouldn't want him as my boss. He's too busy trying to be friendly to everyone to truly lead.

Bill isn't someone I'd necessarily want as a friend, but I think he'd be ok as a boss. It depends, though, on how arrogant he becomes. His arrogance was showing from the small amount they showed of his task so far. If it gets worse.....could be ugly!

Depending what happens with the golf tournament, so far I think Bill should win, based on everything leading up to the last task. I think Kwame will win because people like him, though, and Bill is not endearing himself to Trump's people, while Kwame is. I think they're the ones who are going to decide how the guys do.

AmmerieDrifts 04-15-2004 01:42 PM

I didn't see this, but I read a bunch of stuff in the t.v. guide & I can't remember it all. What I do remember is...

The suite that the players stay in is not a real suite -- it was constructed for the show. Also, the suite & the boardroom are on the same floor -- so Trump just says, "go back up to the suite" for effect.

The players bags are never fully packed - I think there are a few items in there when they roll them down, but if they're fired, people who work on the show go back up & get the rest.

The taxi that the "losers" catch when they leave takes them a couple of blocks over to another hotel where all of the other "losers" stay for the remainder of the show.

There's more, but I forget...

melloweer 04-15-2004 01:48 PM

I voted for bill also.....I think he's been so strong and consistant throughout. As far as Omarosa as a mole...I'm thinking Donald Trump wouldn't ever do something like that regarding business and also the show didn't need a special surpise being so popular. I think Omarosa is just her own special wack job.

GurlwithCurls 04-15-2004 01:51 PM

I really like both these guys, but I think Kwame deserves the prize. Bill is a great guy and a fabulous worker and gets things done, yadda yadda but frankly I would never want to work for him. He does not inspire his underlings to want to do a fantastic job. He is too jittery, nervous and wears his annoyance on his sleeve. He was very brusque (and borderline rude) when speaking to that woman about the storage issue. He has his hands in everything and micro-manages. He would be fine in a managerial position but as CEO, no -- he just stresses himself and everyone else out. Kwame knows how to keep his cool, inspires confidence in his workers and is excellent in face-to-face meetings with clients. His skill in dealing with The Donald in the boardroom along with his great relationships with his team members is what got him in the final two. I think those are the most important qualities in a leader. I like the way he handled Omarosa because he knows exactly how volatile she is and knew that harshly reprimanding her in front of the others was going to be detrimental to the entire team's effort. He is not the innovator that Bill is but I don't think that a CEO necessarily has to be. I also don't think that track records throughout the game are going to have much impact on tonight's result. It will basically be how well they pull off this event, deal with their employees and handle mishaps.

bounce 04-15-2004 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by GurlwithCurls
I really like both these guys, but I think Kwame deserves the prize. Bill is a great guy and a fabulous worker and gets things done, yadda yadda but frankly I would never want to work for him. He does not inspire his underlings to want to do a fantastic job. He is too jittery, nervous and wears his annoyance on his sleeve. He was very brusque (and borderline rude) when speaking to that woman about the storage issue. He has his hands in everything and micro-manages. He would be fine in a managerial position but as CEO, no -- he just stresses himself and everyone else out. Kwame knows how to keep his cool, inspires confidence in his workers and is excellent in face-to-face meetings with clients. His skill in dealing with The Donald in the boardroom along with his great relationships with his team members is what got him in the final two. I think those are the most important qualities in a leader. I like the way he handled Omarosa because he knows exactly how volatile she is and knew that harshly reprimanding her in front of the others was going to be detrimental to the entire team's effort. He is not the innovator that Bill is but I don't think that a CEO necessarily has to be.

Yea, what she said.

I seriously can't speak today!

AmmerieDrifts 04-15-2004 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by GurlwithCurls
I really like both these guys, but I think Kwame deserves the prize. Bill is a great guy and a fabulous worker and gets things done, yadda yadda but frankly I would never want to work for him. He does not inspire his underlings to want to do a fantastic job. He is too jittery, nervous and wears his annoyance on his sleeve. He was very brusque (and borderline rude) when speaking to that woman about the storage issue. He has his hands in everything and micro-manages. He would be fine in a managerial position but as CEO, no -- he just stresses himself and everyone else out. Kwame knows how to keep his cool, inspires confidence in his workers and is excellent in face-to-face meetings with clients. His skill in dealing with The Donald in the boardroom along with his great relationships with his team members is what got him in the final two. I think those are the most important qualities in a leader. I like the way he handled Omarosa because he knows exactly how volatile she is and knew that harshly reprimanding her in front of the others was going to be detrimental to the entire team's effort. He is not the innovator that Bill is but I don't think that a CEO necessarily has to be. I also don't think that track records throughout the game are going to have much impact on tonight's result. It will basically be how well they pull off this event, deal with their employees and handle mishaps.

You are so close to selling me on Kwame. Wow. It seems like a dab of Kwame and a sprinkle of Bill would be the perfect recipe.

Aya9877 04-15-2004 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by GurlwithCurls
I really like both these guys, but I think Kwame deserves the prize. Bill is a great guy and a fabulous worker and gets things done, yadda yadda but frankly I would never want to work for him. He does not inspire his underlings to want to do a fantastic job. He is too jittery, nervous and wears his annoyance on his sleeve. He was very brusque (and borderline rude) when speaking to that woman about the storage issue. He has his hands in everything and micro-manages. He would be fine in a managerial position but as CEO, no -- he just stresses himself and everyone else out. Kwame knows how to keep his cool, inspires confidence in his workers and is excellent in face-to-face meetings with clients. His skill in dealing with The Donald in the boardroom along with his great relationships with his team members is what got him in the final two. I think those are the most important qualities in a leader. I like the way he handled Omarosa because he knows exactly how volatile she is and knew that harshly reprimanding her in front of the others was going to be detrimental to the entire team's effort. He is not the innovator that Bill is but I don't think that a CEO necessarily has to be. I also don't think that track records throughout the game are going to have much impact on tonight's result. It will basically be how well they pull off this event, deal with their employees and handle mishaps.

Well put. And I totally agree that Bill micro-manages. I dont believe a boss needs to or should have his hands in everything that goes on. You must have confidence that your employees are doing their job and doing their job well until they give you reason to think otherwise. You were hired for a reason, now do your job.

I think tonight's episode will point out any flaws in Bill's execution, just as last week's did for Kwame. I think it's too early to judge who is doing the better job.

But I think Kwame made a good point in the episode last week. To paraphrase, when things started to go awry, he said he was just going to handle it and not rock the boat. There is no sense getting everybody all upset until you know all the facts, which at the time he did not.

mandyv 04-15-2004 02:32 PM

I can't vote b/c I like them both. I'm glad two of the straightforward, high-class, low-key guys won. Good guys do finish first.

Whoever wins should hire the other one straight away!

BohemianRenegade 04-15-2004 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by mandyv
I can't vote b/c I like them both. I'm glad two of the straightforward, high-class, low-key guys won. Good guys do finish first.

Whoever wins should hire the other one straight away!

Kwame...It seems like Donald likes him more. But, I definately agree that the winner shoudl hire the other one!


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