Wash. appeal scourt says pit bull a deadly weapon

I don't think I have it backwards.
Originally Posted by Bailey422
Well, according to some people you do! My offer of flow chart stands, complete with pretty colors and maybe some cookies!!
Originally Posted by gekko422
Sure, why the heck not!

You do realize you need to go draw a low chart now, right? And I'll PM you the address to send the cookies. :P
Originally Posted by Bailey422
I have go buy some crayons!
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Originally Posted by Bailey422
You're taking this too personally. It's not about you. It's about a pit bull whose history and tendencies are well known.

I find it worse than rude and insulting when dog owners of these particular dogs don't admit the dangers. Before you can address an issue or problem you have to admit that it exists.
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I answered the question on the previous page, which I don't think you folks saw.
Originally Posted by SuZenGuide
I still don't see how Koukla wasn't singling VP out when she obviously quoted her and bolded it. Oh well.
Suzen, I did see your response, and I responded back with:

I'd like to say I'm shocked at the amount of ignorance in this thread, but unfortunately, I'm not.

Human aggression is NOT a breed characteristic of pit bulls. Dog aggression can be, but human aggression isn't. Unfortunately, people who seem to be attracted to them are the sort of folks who don't bother to train or socialize their animals, and just want a dog that looks tough. THIS IS NOT THE FAULT OF THE DOGS, and breed specific legislation is only going to encourage these folks to move on to a different breed - it doesn't address the problem of irresponsible dog ownership. Pit bulls are smart, loyal, loving dogs who are great with kids. If you're scared of my dog, get out of our way.
Originally Posted by velvet paws
The bolded part of this exemplifies the arrogance, ignorance, and danger of an irresponsible animal owner, regardless of the species or breed.
Originally Posted by Koukla72
I don't see how this statement is not rude and insulting.
Originally Posted by Bailey422
My point is that the original statement made by koukla was very insulting. Velvetpaws called her out on it, and then she was told he is rude and insulting for calling out the original rude and insulting comment. It just doesn't seem right. Anyway, I have a headache now from trying to reason all this, so I'm done arguing with you.

I'll just sit here and wait for my cookies
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I don't think I have it backwards.
Originally Posted by Bailey422
Well, according to some people you do! My offer of flow chart stands, complete with pretty colors and maybe some cookies!!
Originally Posted by gekko422
Sure, why the heck not!

You do realize you need to go draw a low chart now, right? And I'll PM you the address to send the cookies. :P
Originally Posted by Bailey422
I have go buy some crayons!
Originally Posted by gekko422
Cookies AND crayons?! Oh happy day!
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Just get back on the topic, will ya?

I think a hefty dose of cookies is needed by all.
My point is that the original statement made by koukla was very insulting. Velvetpaws called her out on it
Originally Posted by Bailey422
Rude and insulting because she doesn't agree with you. Like I said, the dog expert on CNN said the exact same thing. But she's rude and insulting too? Rude and insulting is people with their heads in the sand and unwilling to take measures to protect others from obvious dangers. Actually that's worse than rude and insulting. It could be criminal.

Again, I knew this would be controversial, but that's okay too. Not every topic we need to address in our scoiety is light and airy.
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My point is that the original statement made by koukla was very insulting. Velvetpaws called her out on it
Originally Posted by Bailey422
Rude and insulting because she doesn't agree with you. Like I said, the dog expert on CNN said the exact same thing. But she's rude and insulting too?
Originally Posted by mandyv
As far I know, she didn't specifically quote someone and say how their words are an example of horrible dog ownership, as koukla did.
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Second warning on this thread. Back to the topic or it will be locked.
A question for the pitt owners:

Did you specifically choose a pitt? Did you specifically want this breed as a pet? If so, why?

Are you even a little bit scared that your dog might attack some stranger, animal, or family member totally out of characteristic of his/her normal behavior even though he/she has been trained well?

I remember reading about the dog that ate half the face of its owner and there never really was an explanation why the dog did this. I think it was a labrador BTW. In my mind, since we never really as humans know what dogs might do, it just makes me nervous to be around dogs that can do a tremendous amount of damage like Pitt Bulls can.

So I am just curious about the answers to these questions.
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As I'm reading through the last 10 pages, I realized something that I do. I've had dobermans for years. I'm on my 4th. The reason for having 4 is because I find them to be the most loveable, huggable dog ever. Anyway.......I do know that some people have an 'automatic' fear of them. My yard has always been fenced in - with electric. Not that my dogs are dangerous, but because I don't want them getting out and someone panicking when they see a 90lb. dobe running thru their yard and shooting him. They are fenced in for THEIR protection.

We have a camper at a seasonal campsite. My dobe gets to go with sometimes. Most people there know him now, but if I see someone new and they have 'that look' on their face, I will automatically call out "he's very friendly, don't worry". They always then come over and want to pet him and meet him. They are initially intimidated just by site, but when my dobe's whole back body is shaking back and forth from his tail wagging so hard, they immediately feel better.

In all my years, I've only met 1 person who was convinced that when dobermans turn about 7, their brain outgrows/or shrinks and they turn on their owners

So anyway, I think it's sad, but I am guilty of assuming people will be automatically fearful. When it comes to someone thinking about breaking into my house, I like that feeling
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A question for the pitt owners:

Did you specifically choose a pitt? Did you specifically want this breed as a pet? If so, why?

Are you even a little bit scared that your dog might attack some stranger, animal, or family member totally out of characteristic of his/her normal behavior even though he/she has been trained well?

I remember reading about the dog that ate half the face of its owner and there never really was an explanation why the dog did this. I think it was a labrador BTW. In my mind, since we never really as humans know what dogs might do, it just makes me nervous to be around dogs that can do a tremendous amount of damage like Pitt Bulls can.

So I am just curious about the answers to these questions.
Originally Posted by KCL
Not a pit owner. But I did own a dog that was a boxer/chow mix, as I said before. And chows do have bad reputations...but not as bad as pits. I know a fair amount about dogs but I honestly knew nothing about chows and hadn't heard of their reputation for being "mean." I learned about that only gradually after I already had the dog and was attached to him. If I had known about the reputations of chows, the restrictions i'd have because of it or the higher than average liklihood of it hurting someone I would absolutely not havee gotten him.

I just saw him and his littermates one day and fell in love with them because they were so cute and playful...and my friend talked me into getting him. I was in grad school so I had the time to spend w/ him and lived in a place where there were tons of other dogs for him to play with. There was no logic to it.

The reason I got rid of him is because he turned on my daughter when she started crawling. He had exhibited aggression toward some other dogs all of his life but prior to that was exceedingly friendly towards humans...except that he bit the vet when he was 2 months old.
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As I'm reading through the last 10 pages, I realized something that I do. I've had dobermans for years. I'm on my 4th. The reason for having 4 is because I find them to be the most loveable, huggable dog ever. Anyway.......I do know that some people have an 'automatic' fear of them. My yard has always been fenced in - with electric. Not that my dogs are dangerous, but because I don't want them getting out and someone panicking when they see a 90lb. dobe running thru their yard and shooting him. They are fenced in for THEIR protection.

We have a camper at a seasonal campsite. My dobe gets to go with sometimes. Most people there know him now, but if I see someone new and they have 'that look' on their face, I will automatically call out "he's very friendly, don't worry". They always then come over and want to pet him and meet him. They are initially intimidated just by site, but when my dobe's whole back body is shaking back and forth from his tail wagging so hard, they immediately feel better.

In all my years, I've only met 1 person who was convinced that when dobermans turn about 7, their brain outgrows/or shrinks and they turn on their owners

So anyway, I think it's sad, but I am guilty of assuming people will be automatically fearful. When it comes to someone thinking about breaking into my house, I like that feeling
Originally Posted by 2happy
I had the most wonderful Doberman named Lollipop. We called her Lolly. She was born six months before my daughter was and they grew up together. Lolly would sit patiently while my daughter put lipstick on her lips. Probably because she knew that my daughter would be sharing her hot dog with her later!

Lolly never hurt a fly (well, probably the occasional fly) but one time there was a group of teenagers on my porch and when I asked them to leave they looked at me and then went back to talking.

I opened my door wider and called Lolly and Lucky (a retriever) and they came running out with HUGE smiles on their face. Never saw a group of kids scatter so fast in my life.

I miss Lolly.


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A question for the pitt owners:

Did you specifically choose a pitt? Did you specifically want this breed as a pet? If so, why?

Are you even a little bit scared that your dog might attack some stranger, animal, or family member totally out of characteristic of his/her normal behavior even though he/she has been trained well?

I remember reading about the dog that ate half the face of its owner and there never really was an explanation why the dog did this. I think it was a labrador BTW. In my mind, since we never really as humans know what dogs might do, it just makes me nervous to be around dogs that can do a tremendous amount of damage like Pitt Bulls can.

So I am just curious about the answers to these questions.
Originally Posted by KCL
Well, I like the facial features of pits and pit mixes, but I was looking for a larger dog, since I've only ever had small dogs. It just so happened that the dog I like was a pit mix. He had that big pit head and those pretty pit eyes, which drew me to him.

I was scared at the possibility of him attacking others when I first got him, because many told me not to trust him. After having him for awhile and working with him, no, I'm not scared. I'm most concerned with other dogs attacking him and him fighting back because I know that he will most likely kill that dog. This is not to say that I trust him now, because I don't, but I also don't trust my Chihuahua. I respect the fact that they are animals and as their owner, it's my responsibility to mediate any potentially dangerous situation. I anticipate how my dogs might react and honestly, I find my Chihuahua to be more unpredictable. I can see when my pit is going to jump up, so I know to turn away and remind him to sit, or to get in between him and another person. My Chihuahua will snap at you with no warning at all. Truth be told, if I had to worry about a lawsuit or injuring someone, I worry about my Chihuahua being the cause of it, not my pit.
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My old roommate had 2 pits, now one cause the other passed away. First one was a 6 month old puppy that a friend of a friend rescued from a neglect situation, roommate (I was not living with her at the time) took her in temporarily while they found a new home, but everyone in the house fell in love with her so she kept her. The dog was very withdrawn initially but after some socialization and loving turned into the sweetest dog ever. Her most vicious habit was sitting on your lap and trying to stick her entire tongue up your nose, which admittedly was a little uncomfortable. She had to be put down for health problems at the age of 14. Her second pit was a similar story. Now, after having had two, I would guess that if she gets another pit bull it will be because she has fallen in love with the breed and works well with them, just like people get Labs or Yorkies or Poodles.
If I were to get a dog, I would consider pit bulls just because of my positive experiences in the past. Of course I would also consider my circumstances at the time and see which breed would be most suitable.
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195 replies in two days. I must be doing something right. Ooops, back to the topic. Boy, dogs sure are cute. I've had german shepherds growing up so I know they're not toys.
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A question for the pitt owners:

Did you specifically choose a pitt? Did you specifically want this breed as a pet? If so, why?
Originally Posted by KCL
We have a pit/lab mix we adopted. We wanted to rescue a pit because there are so many of them in shelters in my area. Many of them get put down. We feel the problem is worse for this breed, and we wanted to do something to help.

Are you even a little bit scared that your dog might attack some stranger, animal, or family member totally out of characteristic of his/her normal behavior even though he/she has been trained well?
No more than I worry about either of my other 2 dogs. I don't believe any of them would ever attack any of us. Strangers.... I don't see my pit doing anything but running away. He's pretty wimpy. He does have a tendency to play too rough with the cats, but we watch him and correct him every time. My dogs are locked in the bedroom when we're gone, so we don't have to worry about it when we're out. My dachshund is the worst cat chaser we have and all my dogs have the potential to hurt one of the cats, not because they mean to but because they want to play (and cats don't). This is why we take the precautions we do. My pit mix thinks kids are the coolest thing since sliced bread. Unlike my other dogs who avoid children, he loves their energy, the noise they make, eveything about them. I don't see a child's sudden sound or movement startling him. Obviously, I would never leave him or any other dog unattended with a child regardless. I pay attention to my animals' mood and body language, and I don't think they would suddenly do something randomly out of character. I have yet to see or read any objective survey or study that indicates pitbulls are any more likely to attack or bite than any other breed, and I refuse to believe fearful propaganda.

Did that answer your questions?
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195 replies in two days. I must be doing something right. Ooops, back to the topic. Boy, dogs sure are cute. I've had german shepherds growing up so I know they're not toys.
Originally Posted by mandyv
So I wonder, do you think German Shepherds should be in the same category as pits? I'm asking because I worry a lot more about my german shepherd mix than my pit mix. In fact, she's the one that doesn't get to go to the dog park b/c she scares people.
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195 replies in two days. I must be doing something right. Ooops, back to the topic. Boy, dogs sure are cute. I've had german shepherds growing up so I know they're not toys.
Originally Posted by mandyv
So I wonder, do you think German Shepherds should be in the same category as pits? I'm asking because I worry a lot more about my german shepherd mix than my pit mix. In fact, she's the one that doesn't get to go to the dog park b/c she scares people.
Originally Posted by Bailey422
A friend of mine actually got a phone call from the breeder about the particular litter that her german shepard came from; two of the pumps and the mother of the litter all had to be put down because of aggressive behavior/attacks. My friend had two small children at the time (under 3 years old). She ended up getting rid of the dog for the kids safety.

I guess Shepards should be outlawed and muzzled as well. OH WAIT!!! The OP grew up with THOSE so it's okay.
So I wonder, do you think German Shepherds should be in the same category as pits? I'm asking because I worry a lot more about my german shepherd mix than my pit mix. In fact, she's the one that doesn't get to go to the dog park b/c she scares people.
Originally Posted by Bailey422
Nope. They don't have a screw loose like many pits. They also listen and can be trained. When's the last time you saw a story in the paper or on the news about a GS that attacked or killed someone and the owners or neighbors say "He was such a sweet thing and wouldn't hurt a fly"? Screw loose.
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