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Old 06-14-2007, 01:39 PM   #161
 
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I don't usually like to get into these arguments, but I'm truly failing to see where Velvet Paws specifically insulted koukla.

Then again I wouldn't mind if it did get locked. I honestly believe that the intention for this post was to cause drama.
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Expressing an opinion about a topic in general is okay, even it it disagrees with someone else. Calling another person names is not acceptable.
Ok, she insulted me, I told her that what she said was rude and obnoxious, but you call me out for insulting her. I just want to make sure that I understand everything here.
She expressed a general opinion which you chose to believe referred to you. You insulted her specifically.

First warning on this thread. Three strikes and it's locked.
I don't usually like to get into these arguments, but I'm truly failing to see where Velvet Paws specifically insulted koukla. Then again I wouldn't mind if it did get locked. I honestly believe that the intention for this post was to cause drama.
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As the owner of 6 perfect dogs ( ), 2 being St. Bernards, 1 a doberman, and 1 a rott mix (just pointing out the big ones!), you can imagine what I think about this.

But as equally mad as the thought of this makes me, it makes me madder thinking about the owners of so many dogs I know personally, let alone the billion dog owners I don't know.

I totally agree with mandatory 'training' for certain breeds. I agree with a special license for certain breeds. This is because of stupid people, not dangerous dogs. I wish all people kept their dogs (any breed) in their yard (by way of fencing, or whatever). Fine and shut down EVERY puppy mill. Require licenses for breeders. Any non- breeder oops' should have to pay a fine/fee if caught. Maybe mandatory spaying/neutering along those lines. And before you jump on me about that, know that I would have paid a fine TWICE with my St. Bernards (puppy oops). And, my dogs have escaped my electric fenced in yard.

I agree some dogs are bad, and/or dangerous not by fault of the owner. It's not breed specific.

Oh, my thoughts, feelings and furies run deep with dog owners.

No breed should be banned.

After finding out yesterday that my 12 yr. old rott mix will most likely be put down in the next couple weeks due to liver cancer, my 'dog' mood is a bit on the touchy side. I'll apologize now if I accidentally 'bite' your head off!
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After finding out yesterday that my 12 yr. old rott mix will most likely be put down in the next couple weeks due to liver cancer, my 'dog' mood is a bit on the touchy side. I'll apologize now if I accidentally 'bite' your head off!
Aww. I'm sorry. (((hugs)))
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Bailey, I didn't mean people who do take their pits out on walks without a muzzle are by default knowingly irresponsible and horrible. It certainly sounds as though you care about other people's feelings and it also sounds like your dog is, either through training or socialization or whatever, a lovely dog. But it's still true that most pit bulls, if they conform to the breed standard, have the ability to be animal-aggressive without warning. I do think you might want to think about the reality that on sidewalks and jogging trails that most people use to walk their dogs, people, children and other dogs are always "coming at you" and in close quarters, even if they don't want to be. A lead that's only a couple feet long is still plenty long on a sidewalk or trail only four feet wide or less, for example. And it's not their responsibility to make sure anything bad doesn't happen or even that we don't inadvertently scare them, it's ours as dog owners.

I'd also like to point out that these things also protect our dogs from people's fears of them.
In response to the bolded: if they fear my dog based on the way he looks, I would hope they make a small circle around us, not run straight at us and then get freaked out. My dog won't lunge or growl, so if merely coming into close proximity to him makes them afraid, it is their responsibility to go around. Surely you don't expect me to go two yards off the sidewalk every time I see someone. I'm not a mind reader, so I don't know if what makes them afraid. If I see someone who is obviously acting nervous (holds their child tighter for example), I will go to the side and stop until they pass. I do the same to people on bikes, in this case because bikes scare my dogs. But if somebody is coming towards us, my assumption is that they are ok being near a dog, and my only responsibility is to keep my dog from coming into physical contact with them, which I do. If I did scare someone (which in my 4 years of dog ownership has not happened), I can assure you it's because of their lack of common sense, not mine.
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Sorry about your dog 2happy.

Also...wow. Six dogs?! That's something I've only wished I could do, but I don't think I'm skilled enough.
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I'd like to say I'm shocked at the amount of ignorance in this thread, but unfortunately, I'm not.

Human aggression is NOT a breed characteristic of pit bulls. Dog aggression can be, but human aggression isn't. Unfortunately, people who seem to be attracted to them are the sort of folks who don't bother to train or socialize their animals, and just want a dog that looks tough. THIS IS NOT THE FAULT OF THE DOGS, and breed specific legislation is only going to encourage these folks to move on to a different breed - it doesn't address the problem of irresponsible dog ownership. Pit bulls are smart, loyal, loving dogs who are great with kids. If you're scared of my dog, get out of our way.
The bolded part of this exemplifies the arrogance, ignorance, and danger of an irresponsible animal owner, regardless of the species or breed.
I don't see how this statement is not rude and insulting.
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After finding out yesterday that my 12 yr. old rott mix will most likely be put down in the next couple weeks due to liver cancer, my 'dog' mood is a bit on the touchy side. I'll apologize now if I accidentally 'bite' your head off!
I am so sorry, it is never easy to deal with the loss of a beloved pet.
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After finding out yesterday that my 12 yr. old rott mix will most likely be put down in the next couple weeks due to liver cancer, my 'dog' mood is a bit on the touchy side. I'll apologize now if I accidentally 'bite' your head off!
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If you're scared of my dog, get out of our way.
The bolded part of this exemplifies the arrogance, ignorance, and danger of an irresponsible animal owner, regardless of the species or breed.
I don't see how this statement is not rude and insulting.
No no, you have it backwards. That's not rude and insulting, velvet paws is rude and insulting. I can draw you a flow chart if you like!
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If you're scared of my dog, get out of our way.
The bolded part of this exemplifies the arrogance, ignorance, and danger of an irresponsible animal owner, regardless of the species or breed.
I don't see how this statement is not rude and insulting.
No no, you have it backwards. That's not rude and insulting, velvet paws is rude and insulting. I can draw you a flow chart if you like!
I don't think I have it backwards.
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I don't think I have it backwards.
Well, according to some people you do! My offer of flow chart stands, complete with pretty colors and maybe some cookies!!
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I don't think I have it backwards.
Well, according to some people you do! My offer of flow chart stands, complete with pretty colors and maybe some cookies!!
I think I need a flow chart...and I wouldn't mind the cookies either.
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I don't think I have it backwards.
Well, according to some people you do! My offer of flow chart stands, complete with pretty colors and maybe some cookies!!
I need a flowchart!

I really just want the cookies!
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I don't think I have it backwards.
Well, according to some people you do! My offer of flow chart stands, complete with pretty colors and maybe some cookies!!
I think I need a flow chart...and I wouldn't mind the cookies either.
We posted that at the same time! Great minds............
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Sorry for the guano.

Thanks for the hugs.

And the 6 dogs weren't planned. I had 3, SO had 3. We;re like the Brady bunch!
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I don't think I have it backwards.
Well, according to some people you do! My offer of flow chart stands, complete with pretty colors and maybe some cookies!!
I think I need a flow chart...and I wouldn't mind the cookies either.
We posted that at the same time! Great minds............
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We posted that at the same time! Great minds............
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I don't think I have it backwards.
Well, according to some people you do! My offer of flow chart stands, complete with pretty colors and maybe some cookies!!
Sure, why the heck not!

You do realize you need to go draw a low chart now, right? And I'll PM you the address to send the cookies. :P
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