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Springcurl 02-28-2005 06:16 AM

Death
 
No need for debates. I'm just curious.

Who Me? 02-28-2005 07:00 AM

I actually wrote a paper on this subject once. The two issues do not align like you (general "you") think they might at all. It was an interesting paper to research.

NetG 02-28-2005 07:58 AM

I'm anti-abortion but pro-choice, so I can't really vote in this poll.

Springcurl 02-28-2005 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by NetG
I'm anti-abortion but pro-choice, so I can't really vote in this poll.


I don't get it. I have pro-choice options up there. I used the terms "anti-abortion" to stay away from the "pro-life" label, which I personally don't like when describing someone who is anti-abortion.

PartyHair 02-28-2005 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by NetG
I'm anti-abortion but pro-choice, so I can't really vote in this poll.


I don't get it. I have pro-choice options up there. I used the terms "anti-abortion" to stay away from the "pro-life" label, which I personally don't like when describing someone who is anti-abortion.

I'm also anti-abortion personally (I don't think I'd ever get an abortion), but pro-choice when it comes to how I vote (I don't ever want abortion to be illegal). So I went with the pro-choice option that best fit my views on the death penalty.

Ambrosia 02-28-2005 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Who Me?
I actually wrote a paper on this subject once. The two issues do not align like you (general "you") think they might at all. It was an interesting paper to research.

just curious, how do the issues actually align?

Who Me? 02-28-2005 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Who Me?
I actually wrote a paper on this subject once. The two issues do not align like you (general "you") think they might at all. It was an interesting paper to research.

just curious, how do the issues actually align?

As soon as I posted I was thinking that I really shouldn't have said that since I can't remember the details of the paper! It was a few years ago. The basis was that one would expect that people are either pro-death or pro-life, as in support the death penalty and abortion, or are against the death penalty and abortion. This was not the case. I think the majority of people who are pro-choice are against the death penalty. I wish I could remember all the reasons--they weren't situated on moral beliefs nearly as much as other factors. I'll see if I can find the paper when I get home. I definitely think it was the most interesting paper I've ever written.

curlygirlinva 02-28-2005 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Springcurl
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Originally Posted by NetG
I'm anti-abortion but pro-choice, so I can't really vote in this poll.


I don't get it. I have pro-choice options up there. I used the terms "anti-abortion" to stay away from the "pro-life" label, which I personally don't like when describing someone who is anti-abortion.

I think NetG means that she is pro-choice, but could not personally have an abortion. I feel the same way.

NetG 02-28-2005 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Springcurl
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Originally Posted by NetG
I'm anti-abortion but pro-choice, so I can't really vote in this poll.


I don't get it. I have pro-choice options up there. I used the terms "anti-abortion" to stay away from the "pro-life" label, which I personally don't like when describing someone who is anti-abortion.

I think NetG means that she is pro-choice, but could not personally have an abortion. I feel the same way.

Exactly. I don't *think* I could, and I think some people are too nonchalant about abortions. However, I would vehemently disagree with anyone trying to make abortions illegal.

Disclaimer: I don't think I could, but can't ever truly know until I'm in a situation where one might be warranted. I know I wouldn't for an unplanned pregnancy, but for birth defects/etc., I have no idea what I'd do.

mazey 02-28-2005 11:05 AM

But either way, you are still pro-choice so one of Springcurl's options fits you. I think people assume pro-choice means you are not anti-abortion which is a silly assumption since a lot of women I know feel the same way you do.

M2LR 02-28-2005 11:23 AM

Pro choice means "Pro the woman's right to chose." Not Pro-abortion.

I am pro-choice simply because I think that the choice needs to be there, whatever your reasons for utilizing it or not - reasons people have abortions are theirs...

Pro-death penalty? Yup.

NetG 02-28-2005 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by mazey
But either way, you are still pro-choice so one of Springcurl's options fits you. I think people assume pro-choice means you are not anti-abortion which is a silly assumption since a lot of women I know feel the same way you do.

Except that the other option is anti-abortion. Which I am, also.

My personal experience with abortion is that I have two friends who had them. One of them, with counseling, I'm almost positive would have kept the baby. The other one-probably still would have had the abortion. However, both would have had a much, much better idea of the emotional aspect of it afterward. My one judgment in regards to abortion is that the people running clinics are doing a disservice if they're not at least helping women understand what they'll have to deal with afterward. (I don't think it was on this board, where someone mentioned how when Miranda was thinking about abortion and asked Samantha how long it took to get over the abortion her response was that she was still working on it.)

PartyHair 02-28-2005 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by mazey
But either way, you are still pro-choice so one of Springcurl's options fits you. I think people assume pro-choice means you are not anti-abortion which is a silly assumption since a lot of women I know feel the same way you do.

Except that the other option is anti-abortion. Which I am, also.

My personal experience with abortion is that I have two friends who had them. One of them, with counseling, I'm almost positive would have kept the baby. The other one-probably still would have had the abortion. However, both would have had a much, much better idea of the emotional aspect of it afterward. My one judgment in regards to abortion is that the people running clinics are doing a disservice if they're not at least helping women understand what they'll have to deal with afterward. (I don't think it was on this board, where someone mentioned how when Miranda was thinking about abortion and asked Samantha how long it took to get over the abortion her response was that she was still working on it.)

You'd be categorized as pro-choice because you want abortion to remain legal and available to any woman who makes that choice.

NetG 02-28-2005 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by PartyHair
You'd be categorized as pro-choice because you want abortion to remain legal and available to any woman who makes that choice.

In real life, absolutely. What I'm talking about is this poll-which gives the options of pro-choice and anti-abortion. I am both.



Really, I'm just being obnoxious, so y'all can just ignore me now... :oops:

PartyHair 02-28-2005 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by PartyHair
You'd be categorized as pro-choice because you want abortion to remain legal and available to any woman who makes that choice.

In real life, absolutely. What I'm talking about is this poll-which gives the options of pro-choice and anti-abortion. I am both.



Really, I'm just being obnoxious, so y'all can just ignore me now... :oops:

Well, as I said above I went with the pro-choice option that matched my views on the death penalty even though I personally am anti-abortion for myself.

alguma pessoa 02-28-2005 11:37 AM

It is my understanding that pro-choice does not mean pro-abortion. I always understood it as supporting the right for women to choose regardless if you advocate abortion or not. Regardless of my feelings on the subject, I do not think that laws should be implemented to take away a woman's right to choose or that people should criticize women who have it because I am sure these women have their own personal hell to go through if they choose to abort their baby. (I am not saying that anyone on this board is saying this).

These are just my opinions.

NetG 02-28-2005 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by cehua
It is my understanding that pro-choice does not mean pro-abortion. I always understood it as supporting the right for women to choose regardless if you advocate abortion or not. Regardless of my feelings on the subject, I do not think that laws should be implemented to take away a woman's right to choose or that people should criticize women who have it because I am sure these women have their own personal hell to go through if they choose to abort their baby. (I am not saying that anyone on this board is saying this).

These are just my opinions.

Yup. And the new generation of feminists is turning the dialogue into discussion of choice in all matters-education, birth control, prenatal care, etc. Because pro-choice shouldn't be JUST pro-abortion, and the people who want abortion illegal have steered the conversation into one just about abortion, instead of about true life choices.

mazey 02-28-2005 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by cehua
It is my understanding that pro-choice does not mean pro-abortion. I always understood it as supporting the right for women to choose regardless if you advocate abortion or not.

Exactly!

GuardianB 02-28-2005 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by cehua
I do not think that laws should be implemented to take away a woman's right to choose

Anything taking away anybody's right to choose anything (in this country) is against what is what founded on.

alguma pessoa 02-28-2005 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by GuardianB
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Originally Posted by cehua
I do not think that laws should be implemented to take away a woman's right to choose

Anything taking away anybody's right to choose anything (in this country) is against what is what founded on.

I agree, but it is headed that way.....


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