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View Poll Results: The Death Penalty and Abortion
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I'm anti-abortion and anti-death penalty
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I'm anti-abortion and pro-death penalty
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I'm pro-choice and anti-death penalty
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I'm pro-choice and pro-death penalty
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02-28-2005, 06:16 AM
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Join Date: Feb 2001
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Death
No need for debates. I'm just curious.
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02-28-2005, 07:00 AM
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Join Date: Mar 2001
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I actually wrote a paper on this subject once. The two issues do not align like you (general "you") think they might at all. It was an interesting paper to research.
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02-28-2005, 07:58 AM
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Join Date: Jul 2003
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I'm anti-abortion but pro-choice, so I can't really vote in this poll.
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02-28-2005, 08:35 AM
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Join Date: Feb 2001
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I don't get it. I have pro-choice options up there. I used the terms "anti-abortion" to stay away from the "pro-life" label, which I personally don't like when describing someone who is anti-abortion.
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02-28-2005, 08:49 AM
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Join Date: Jul 1999
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I'm also anti-abortion personally (I don't think I'd ever get an abortion), but pro-choice when it comes to how I vote (I don't ever want abortion to be illegal). So I went with the pro-choice option that best fit my views on the death penalty.
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02-28-2005, 08:58 AM
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Join Date: May 2004
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just curious, how do the issues actually align?
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02-28-2005, 10:49 AM
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Join Date: Mar 2001
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As soon as I posted I was thinking that I really shouldn't have said that since I can't remember the details of the paper! It was a few years ago. The basis was that one would expect that people are either pro-death or pro-life, as in support the death penalty and abortion, or are against the death penalty and abortion. This was not the case. I think the majority of people who are pro-choice are against the death penalty. I wish I could remember all the reasons--they weren't situated on moral beliefs nearly as much as other factors. I'll see if I can find the paper when I get home. I definitely think it was the most interesting paper I've ever written.
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02-28-2005, 10:57 AM
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Join Date: Dec 2004
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I think NetG means that she is pro-choice, but could not personally have an abortion. I feel the same way.
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02-28-2005, 11:02 AM
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Join Date: Jul 2003
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Exactly. I don't *think* I could, and I think some people are too nonchalant about abortions. However, I would vehemently disagree with anyone trying to make abortions illegal.
Disclaimer: I don't think I could, but can't ever truly know until I'm in a situation where one might be warranted. I know I wouldn't for an unplanned pregnancy, but for birth defects/etc., I have no idea what I'd do.
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02-28-2005, 11:05 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2001
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But either way, you are still pro-choice so one of Springcurl's options fits you. I think people assume pro-choice means you are not anti-abortion which is a silly assumption since a lot of women I know feel the same way you do.
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02-28-2005, 11:23 AM
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Join Date: Mar 2001
Posts: 15,544
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Pro choice means "Pro the woman's right to chose." Not Pro-abortion.
I am pro-choice simply because I think that the choice needs to be there, whatever your reasons for utilizing it or not - reasons people have abortions are theirs...
Pro-death penalty? Yup.
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02-28-2005, 11:26 AM
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Join Date: Jul 2003
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Except that the other option is anti-abortion. Which I am, also.
My personal experience with abortion is that I have two friends who had them. One of them, with counseling, I'm almost positive would have kept the baby. The other one-probably still would have had the abortion. However, both would have had a much, much better idea of the emotional aspect of it afterward. My one judgment in regards to abortion is that the people running clinics are doing a disservice if they're not at least helping women understand what they'll have to deal with afterward. (I don't think it was on this board, where someone mentioned how when Miranda was thinking about abortion and asked Samantha how long it took to get over the abortion her response was that she was still working on it.)
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02-28-2005, 11:27 AM
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Join Date: Jul 1999
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You'd be categorized as pro-choice because you want abortion to remain legal and available to any woman who makes that choice.
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02-28-2005, 11:29 AM
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In real life, absolutely. What I'm talking about is this poll-which gives the options of pro-choice and anti-abortion. I am both.
Really, I'm just being obnoxious, so y'all can just ignore me now... 
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02-28-2005, 11:32 AM
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Join Date: Jul 1999
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Well, as I said above I went with the pro-choice option that matched my views on the death penalty even though I personally am anti-abortion for myself.
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02-28-2005, 11:37 AM
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Join Date: Sep 2004
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It is my understanding that pro-choice does not mean pro-abortion. I always understood it as supporting the right for women to choose regardless if you advocate abortion or not. Regardless of my feelings on the subject, I do not think that laws should be implemented to take away a woman's right to choose or that people should criticize women who have it because I am sure these women have their own personal hell to go through if they choose to abort their baby. (I am not saying that anyone on this board is saying this).
These are just my opinions.
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02-28-2005, 11:40 AM
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Join Date: Jul 2003
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Yup. And the new generation of feminists is turning the dialogue into discussion of choice in all matters-education, birth control, prenatal care, etc. Because pro-choice shouldn't be JUST pro-abortion, and the people who want abortion illegal have steered the conversation into one just about abortion, instead of about true life choices.
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The pews never miss a sermon but that doesn't get them one step closer to Heaven.
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But at least the pews never attend yoga!
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02-28-2005, 11:40 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2001
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02-28-2005, 11:50 AM
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Join Date: Sep 2003
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Anything taking away anybody's right to choose anything (in this country) is against what is what founded on.
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02-28-2005, 11:53 AM
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Join Date: Sep 2004
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I agree, but it is headed that way.....
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