Obama and the New Yorker's satirical cover. Have you heard about this?

It only illustrates what is the prevailing zeitgeist among a s certain population of Americans. I don't think it reinforces it, just brings it out into the open. In my mind that's not a bad thing. If he wins, it's going to be a collector's item.
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Conservative Web site Worldnetdaily.com conducted an informal poll about the controversial New Yorker cover and found that most of the people taking the poll didn’t so much understand the concept of satire. The majority of the respondents said that the “[t]he image isn’t too far from the dangerous truth about the Obama family.”
While the New Yorker said in a press release that its cover “satirizes the use of scare tactics and misinformation in the Presidential election to derail Barack Obama’s campaign,” for a majority of respondents to WND’s poll, the cover apparently provided support for their false perceptions of Obama’s religion and patriotism: As of 10:07 a.m. ET on July 14, the most popular option in the poll — selected by 60 percent of WND respondents — was “The image isn’t too far from the dangerous truth about the Obama family.” The second-most popular option was “Funny, because there’s some truth in it,” which was selected by 11 percent of respondents.
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Conservative Web site Worldnetdaily.com conducted an informal poll about the controversial New Yorker cover and found that most of the people taking the poll didn’t so much understand the concept of satire. The majority of the respondents said that the “[t]he image isn’t too far from the dangerous truth about the Obama family.”
While the New Yorker said in a press release that its cover “satirizes the use of scare tactics and misinformation in the Presidential election to derail Barack Obama’s campaign,” for a majority of respondents to WND’s poll, the cover apparently provided support for their false perceptions of Obama’s religion and patriotism: As of 10:07 a.m. ET on July 14, the most popular option in the poll — selected by 60 percent of WND respondents — was “The image isn’t too far from the dangerous truth about the Obama family.” The second-most popular option was “Funny, because there’s some truth in it,” which was selected by 11 percent of respondents.
Originally Posted by journotraveler
Why am I not surprised?

As of 10:07 a.m. ET on July 14, the most popular option in the poll — selected by 60 percent of WND respondents — was “The image isn’t too far from the dangerous truth about the Obama family.”
Originally Posted by journotraveler
just what i thought.
One self-described "informal" poll. How many respondents? What demographic?

It could be just 50 people, all radically to the right. Being informal, it could just be the worldnetdaily.com webmaster's immediate family members. *shrug*
true. i'm not posting it as an example of a definitive anything. i posted it in exasperation as an example of willful ignorance.
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true. i'm not posting it as an example of a definitive anything. i posted it in exasperation as an example of willful ignorance.
Originally Posted by journotraveler
Understood.

I always keep hoping that people will be smarter and savvier. Even though I keep being proved wrong on that count.
I'm with Frau, I don't like the picture of Michelle with that afro and AK 47. Afros do not equal militant or hatred for America.

I haven't read the article, so I really can't say too much. I just feel like the New Yorker could have been a little bit smarter about this. A lot prejudice right wingers are going to pass by the stands and think that the New Yorker is agreeing with their beliefs. A lot of Obama supporters, Blacks, and so on are going to pass by the news stand and become offended. The cover should have had "How slandering hurts the Obama Campaign" or something of that nature. Having the cartoon on the cover makes it look like the New Yorker is just trying to get attention.
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I'm with Frau, I don't like the picture of Michelle with that afro and AK 47. Afros do not equal militant or hatred for America.
Originally Posted by Shooting Star
It's not saying that they do. Just as it's not saying that Obama has a portrait of Bin Laden on his wall or likes to burn US flags in the fireplace.

Because it's satire, everything needs to be taken with a grain of salt, even the use of symbolism.
One self-described "informal" poll. How many respondents? What demographic?

It could be just 50 people, all radically to the right. Being informal, it could just be the worldnetdaily.com webmaster's immediate family members. *shrug*
Originally Posted by wild~hair
I'm not an Obama fan, and I'm right-wing, though not radical by any means. I "got" it. Just being to the right doesn't mean you don't understand satire. Or that you think that picture is anything like Obama really is.

As someone who occasionally reads foxnews.com (*gasp*) and generally votes conservatively, I still got it 100%. I think if anything, it is good press for Obama. It seems that the "no press is bad press" rule applies to him, just as it does to Hollywood stars and starlets. So I think it will have no ill effects on his campaign.
One self-described "informal" poll. How many respondents? What demographic?

It could be just 50 people, all radically to the right. Being informal, it could just be the worldnetdaily.com webmaster's immediate family members. *shrug*
Originally Posted by wild~hair
I'm not an Obama fan, and I'm right-wing, though not radical by any means. I "got" it. Just being to the right doesn't mean you don't understand satire..
Originally Posted by Rheanna83
I don't think the implication was that conservatives don't understand satire. I think the point is that 1) perhaps most of the people who responded to that poll were particularly stupid, and 2) WorldNetDaily is a conservative site, so those who responded were probably conservative.
One self-described "informal" poll. How many respondents? What demographic?

It could be just 50 people, all radically to the right. Being informal, it could just be the worldnetdaily.com webmaster's immediate family members. *shrug*
Originally Posted by wild~hair
I'm not an Obama fan, and I'm right-wing, though not radical by any means. I "got" it. Just being to the right doesn't mean you don't understand satire..
Originally Posted by Rheanna83
I don't think the implication was that conservatives don't understand satire. I think the point is that 1) perhaps most of the people who responded to that poll were particularly stupid, and 2) WorldNetDaily is a conservative site, so those who responded were probably conservative.
Originally Posted by Eilonwy
exactly.
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I'm not an Obama fan, and I'm right-wing, though not radical by any means. I "got" it. Just being to the right doesn't mean you don't understand satire..
Originally Posted by Rheanna83
I don't think the implication was that conservatives don't understand satire. I think the point is that 1) perhaps most of the people who responded to that poll were particularly stupid, and 2) WorldNetDaily is a conservative site, so those who responded were probably conservative.
Originally Posted by Eilonwy
exactly.
Originally Posted by journotraveler
Yeah. I see what you're saying. But re-reading the post I originally quoted, as well as my full post, it is still easy to see my point too. Wild hair's post did sound, to me, as though she feels that conservatives, as a whole, believe that the cover of The New Yorker accurately portrays Obama. I don't think this is the case. I didn't *just* say or mean to make the point that I (or right wing people in general) get satire.. I also was making a point that not all conservatives feel that way about Obama or find the illustration to be accurate.

That was the more important part of what I previously said. Anyway though, no biggie. I think if the responses in the poll were like the one that was quoted, it is safe to assume that most of the respondents were just plain stupid, and we know that neither political party has the patent on ignorance. Dumb people are everywhere.
i have really mixed feelings about this. i'm a big fan of the first ammendment--it keeps me employed!--and i can appreciate good satire.

but having said that, looking at this, my immediate reaction wasn't, "wow, that's some good satire." i found it inappropriate & offensive.

also, the new yorker is usually a little more nuanced in its satire.
Originally Posted by journotraveler
Ditto. My first reaction was that it is not going to help get him elected, satire or no.
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The afro. Boy oh boy, I got into an argument the other day with someone who told me that they thought black people who straighten their hair are sneaky, manipulative and immoral. Funny to see the afro being used in that way.

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One self-described "informal" poll. How many respondents? What demographic?

It could be just 50 people, all radically to the right. Being informal, it could just be the worldnetdaily.com webmaster's immediate family members. *shrug*
Originally Posted by wild~hair
I'm not an Obama fan, and I'm right-wing, though not radical by any means. I "got" it. Just being to the right doesn't mean you don't understand satire. Or that you think that picture is anything like Obama really is.

As someone who occasionally reads foxnews.com (*gasp*) and generally votes conservatively, I still got it 100%. I think if anything, it is good press for Obama. It seems that the "no press is bad press" rule applies to him, just as it does to Hollywood stars and starlets. So I think it will have no ill effects on his campaign.
Originally Posted by Rheanna83

I'm sorry, but you've completely misunderstood me. Nowhere did I say that all conservatives wouldn't get it.

All I said was that the informal poll was not very thorough and very likely biased.


Back to the original topic, uh sort of ... I saw an Obama birthday card at Walgreen's tonight. It had his pic smiling on the front along with scrawling but legible handwriting saying something like, "Happy Birthday from Barack." And on the inside something like "I thought this would brighten your day. Happy Birthday, etc."

I mean, come on: when's the last time you saw a presidential candidate on a birthday card? Okay, one where it wasn't mocking him? I was fairly impressed.

Anyway, so maybe it'll all sort of balance out ...

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^^^^ I was in urban outfitters the other day and they had a few Obama shirts, I've never known urban outfitters to sell political items:

Is is because he is a bit dashing? Cool with the young ones? I don't know.

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as for the NYer cover, I think that it is just totally unnecessary

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<snip>My first reaction was that it is not going to help get him elected, satire or no.
Originally Posted by curls on holiday

I don't necessarily agree or disagree with this point, but suppose you're correct-- is it the New Yorker's job to print only what will help? They're the press, they aren't supposed to side with a political party. They can't play nice with people just because they could be argued to be the underdog, and certainly not with a possible underdog presidential candidate.
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