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Old 07-15-2008, 08:54 AM   #41
 
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Check out the article we wrote on Michelle and the Politics of Hair. Here's the link: http://www.naturallycurly.com/super-...litics-of-hair We had it scheduled to run later in the month, but obviously the timing was ideal. We also wrote an editorial on the New Yorker cartoon: http://www.naturallycurly.com/editor...es-stereotypes

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nice articles Michelle. and Frau and MichelleBFT you've been quoted! woo hoo!
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you know what my second criticism of the cover was? that it was more suited for MAD magazine than the New Yorker?

oh and i'm so excited to be quoted!! i'm going to send the article to my mom! yay!
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Check out the article we wrote on Michelle and the Politics of Hair. Here's the link: http://www.naturallycurly.com/super-...litics-of-hair We had it scheduled to run later in the month, but obviously the timing was ideal. We also wrote an editorial on the New Yorker cartoon: http://www.naturallycurly.com/editor...es-stereotypes

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You should know that the quote in the second link here that's attributed to me were not my words. As anyone who's seen my avatar can tell, I do not and could not pull off an afro.
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Check out the article we wrote on Michelle and the Politics of Hair. Here's the link: http://www.naturallycurly.com/super-...litics-of-hair We had it scheduled to run later in the month, but obviously the timing was ideal. We also wrote an editorial on the New Yorker cartoon: http://www.naturallycurly.com/editor...es-stereotypes

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You should know that the quote in the second link here that's attributed to me were not my words. As anyone who's seen my avatar can tell, I do not and could not pull off an afro.
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I'm with Frau, I don't like the picture of Michelle with that afro and AK 47. Afros do not equal militant or hatred for America.
It's not saying that they do. Just as it's not saying that Obama has a portrait of Bin Laden on his wall or likes to burn US flags in the fireplace.

Because it's satire, everything needs to be taken with a grain of salt, even the use of symbolism.
Exactly. Wearing a turban doesn't equal hatred for America either. The sad thing is that this was supposed to be an obvious satire but since there are people who actually believe it, it comes across as very offensive.
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Check out the article we wrote on Michelle and the Politics of Hair. Here's the link: http://www.naturallycurly.com/super-...litics-of-hair We had it scheduled to run later in the month, but obviously the timing was ideal. We also wrote an editorial on the New Yorker cartoon: http://www.naturallycurly.com/editor...es-stereotypes

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You should know that the quote in the second link here that's attributed to me were not my words. As anyone who's seen my avatar can tell, I do not and could not pull off an afro.
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We've just now added a poll to the Michelle Obama story (it's at the bottom). We'd love to get your responses.
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<snip>My first reaction was that it is not going to help get him elected, satire or no.

I don't necessarily agree or disagree with this point, but suppose you're correct-- is it the New Yorker's job to print only what will help? They're the press, they aren't supposed to side with a political party. They can't play nice with people just because they could be argued to be the underdog, and certainly not with a possible underdog presidential candidate.
no, it's not their job. but i don't think that is what curls on holiday was saying. from her post, i just took that to be her immediate, visceral reaction.

but i have seen posts on other websites/blogs with plenty of outraged people demanding that the cartoonist be fired, or that advertisers should pull their ads from the new yorker. and that obama's press person needs to be fired because they should've been able to get the cover pulled. um, no.

i don't love the cover, but they've got every right to be able to publish what they want.
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you know what my second criticism of the cover was? that it was more suited for MAD magazine than the New Yorker?



exactly. it was way over the top.
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<snip>My first reaction was that it is not going to help get him elected, satire or no.

I don't necessarily agree or disagree with this point, but suppose you're correct-- is it the New Yorker's job to print only what will help? They're the press, they aren't supposed to side with a political party. They can't play nice with people just because they could be argued to be the underdog, and certainly not with a possible underdog presidential candidate.
Of course not, but they could at least be even handed if they are going to play into tired, easily misunderstood tropes or images. How about a split cover that equally *satirizes* Obama and McCain? That would be more fair and pose less risk of playing into the very same stereotypes they saw fit to discuss in text in the article about the Obamas.

If anyone knows the power of visual images, as opposed to just written text, it is the media or Fifth Estate. I just think its unfair and unnecessary given the discourse about Obama and race to run that cover. They can do it, of course. But it bears consequences that I don't appreciate.
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but i have seen posts on other websites/blogs with plenty of outraged people demanding that the cartoonist be fired, or that advertisers should pull their ads from the new yorker. and that obama's press person needs to be fired because they should've been able to get the cover pulled. um, no.

i don't love the cover, but they've got every right to be able to publish what they want.
It's kinda laughable that some want The New Yorker to fire Barry Blitt. Like that's gonna happen. Anyone who reads The New Yorker with any regularity would pitch a fit if they did away with him. His work is much revered in that mag.

I liked this quote from the huffington post story where they interviewed him about it:
And in retrospect, given the outcry, is he glad he made the art?

"Retrospect? Outcry?" he wrote. "The magazine just came out ten minutes ago, at least give me a few days to decide whether to regret it or not..."
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it's been a long time since i've purchased the new yorker. i'll have to pick up that issue. i like that side eye action that barack is giving.
what's up with michelle's afro? does afro=angry militant. i wear an afro sometimes.
Well, yeah, if you ask the right (or wrong?) people. The same way wearing a turban makes you a terrorist. Don't you watch Faux News?

/sarcasm

And yeah, the side eye action from Barack is pretty much what makes it for me. High Larious.
I actually thought it was a reference to the connection with Angela Davis? Didn't she always have a really huge afro? (That was amazing...it never 'wilted' or anything...it always looked so cool.
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Conservative Web site Worldnetdaily.com conducted an informal poll about the controversial New Yorker cover and found that most of the people taking the poll didn’t so much understand the concept of satire. The majority of the respondents said that the “[t]he image isn’t too far from the dangerous truth about the Obama family.”
While the New Yorker said in a press release that its cover “satirizes the use of scare tactics and misinformation in the Presidential election to derail Barack Obama’s campaign,” for a majority of respondents to WND’s poll, the cover apparently provided support for their false perceptions of Obama’s religion and patriotism: As of 10:07 a.m. ET on July 14, the most popular option in the poll — selected by 60 percent of WND respondents — was “The image isn’t too far from the dangerous truth about the Obama family.” The second-most popular option was “Funny, because there’s some truth in it,” which was selected by 11 percent of respondents.
So, where did the quote come from? I just spent a bit searching WND for the poll and I can't find it anywhere.
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One self-described "informal" poll. How many respondents? What demographic?

It could be just 50 people, all radically to the right. Being informal, it could just be the worldnetdaily.com webmaster's immediate family members. *shrug*
LOL. WND is labeled a conservative website, but since I belong to one and lurk on several others, I sure don't consider it one. Anything that might look interesting there has to be backed up by several other sources before I trust it. I'm trying to think what they might be comparable to on the left, but democraticunderground is waaay to far left to be comparable...maybe MSN or slate? Rough day and I am completely zoning on any of the left websites that I lurk on.
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intersting that urband outfitter would have those shirts. Hasn't there been brouhaha in the past with them and some racially insensitive products they've sold.

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Yes they have. I was just wondering when haven't they carried political shirts?
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what's up with michelle's afro? does afro=angry militant. i wear an afro sometimes.
Well, yeah, if you ask the right (or wrong?) people. The same way wearing a turban makes you a terrorist. Don't you watch Faux News?
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i was just thinking about this post this morning while laying in bed. does it appear to anyone that obama is supposed to be a terrorist or simply a muslim? i thought it was a statement about him secretly being a muslim, did anyone think terrorist?
the afro militant seems obvious because of the gun and the fatigues, but there isn't dynamite strapped to barack's chest.
perhaps i've read more into this post than i should've? maybe michelle was just saying some people see afros and think angry and some people see turbans and think terrorist.

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<snip>My first reaction was that it is not going to help get him elected, satire or no.

I don't necessarily agree or disagree with this point, but suppose you're correct-- is it the New Yorker's job to print only what will help? They're the press, they aren't supposed to side with a political party. They can't play nice with people just because they could be argued to be the underdog, and certainly not with a possible underdog presidential candidate.
Of course not, but they could at least be even handed if they are going to play into tired, easily misunderstood tropes or images. How about a split cover that equally *satirizes* Obama and McCain? That would be more fair and pose less risk of playing into the very same stereotypes they saw fit to discuss in text in the article about the Obamas.
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I'm sure McCain's time will come, especially after this *****storm they're getting over the "inequality" of this cover.

I guess I can understand why people don't like it, but I still just think it's hilarious. It is in no way making fun of the Obamas, it's so obviously making fun of the wild and ludicrous criticisms and misappropriations of their ethnic diversity that his opposition keeps throwing out there (and by opposition, I don't just mean the opposing candidate, but anyone who doesn't like him). This cover is saying, "Yeah, ok, his name is weird, so he's a Muslim terrorist who hates America, sure he is. His wife is clearly a militant Black Panther member who wants to kill whitey, see her afro? Obviously they're the devil. Sure. Ok."

It's FUNNY. And, also, a little depressing. There are morons out there who actually BELIEVE this **** about the Obamas, either because they're too uneducated or too focused on the fact that he's not Bush's bestest buddy ever, to realize how stupid it is.
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IMO, this cover was a poor choice b/c the satire intended will unfortunately go over the heads of a good part of the population, seeing as how the New Yorker is on the intellectual/highbrow end of the American magazine spectrum. I truly think that a good many folks will see it as a testament to how *they think* he is and what he stands for.
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i was just thinking about this post this morning while laying in bed. does it appear to anyone that obama is supposed to be a terrorist or simply a muslim? i thought it was a statement about him secretly being a muslim, did anyone think terrorist?
the afro militant seems obvious because of the gun and the fatigues, but there isn't dynamite strapped to barack's chest.
perhaps i've read more into this post than i should've? maybe michelle was just saying some people see afros and think angry and some people see turbans and think terrorist.
The people who think he is muslim most likely think muslim = terrorist. Even if not, they and many others would not be comfortable with a muslim president. But obviously they are depicting him as a terrorist with the picture of Osama in the background and the flag burning.
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