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Old 07-16-2008, 08:29 AM   #61
 
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I don't necessarily agree or disagree with this point, but suppose you're correct-- is it the New Yorker's job to print only what will help? They're the press, they aren't supposed to side with a political party. They can't play nice with people just because they could be argued to be the underdog, and certainly not with a possible underdog presidential candidate.
Of course not, but they could at least be even handed if they are going to play into tired, easily misunderstood tropes or images. How about a split cover that equally *satirizes* Obama and McCain? That would be more fair and pose less risk of playing into the very same stereotypes they saw fit to discuss in text in the article about the Obamas.
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I'm sure McCain's time will come, especially after this *****storm they're getting over the "inequality" of this cover.

I guess I can understand why people don't like it, but I still just think it's hilarious. It is in no way making fun of the Obamas, it's so obviously making fun of the wild and ludicrous criticisms and misappropriations of their ethnic diversity that his opposition keeps throwing out there (and by opposition, I don't just mean the opposing candidate, but anyone who doesn't like him). This cover is saying, "Yeah, ok, his name is weird, so he's a Muslim terrorist who hates America, sure he is. His wife is clearly a militant Black Panther member who wants to kill whitey, see her afro? Obviously they're the devil. Sure. Ok."

It's FUNNY. And, also, a little depressing. There are morons out there who actually BELIEVE this **** about the Obamas, either because they're too uneducated or too focused on the fact that he's not Bush's bestest buddy ever, to realize how stupid it is.

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Old 07-16-2008, 08:30 AM   #62
 
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I definitely saw it as satirical but was still offended...well, a little. I didn't let it bother me really. I think "tasteless" is a better word than "offended."
There are a lot of stupid people in this world and might look at it as truth...but most people really aren't going to look at it...except for the fact that it's plastered on news shows.
Yes, there are people who are convinced that Obama is Muslim or is a terrorist-lover/flag-burner, etc. But I think they thought that way before the magazine came out. I don't think the magazine is going to change people's minds about that.
My father sent me an email a few days ago that indicated that the writer of the email thinks Obama is Muslim and hates America. It bothers me because my father is a smart man, so why did he forward this cr@% to me?
A lot of people's negative views of Obama is based on fear (which is from ignorance, I know) but still doesn't mean they are stupid. I do think people are more fearful nowdays and if something doesn't sound quite right, they are going to harp right on it.
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Old 07-16-2008, 10:16 AM   #63
 
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Conservative Web site Worldnetdaily.com conducted an informal poll about the controversial New Yorker cover and found that most of the people taking the poll didn’t so much understand the concept of satire. The majority of the respondents said that the “[t]he image isn’t too far from the dangerous truth about the Obama family.”
While the New Yorker said in a press release that its cover “satirizes the use of scare tactics and misinformation in the Presidential election to derail Barack Obama’s campaign,” for a majority of respondents to WND’s poll, the cover apparently provided support for their false perceptions of Obama’s religion and patriotism: As of 10:07 a.m. ET on July 14, the most popular option in the poll — selected by 60 percent of WND respondents — was “The image isn’t too far from the dangerous truth about the Obama family.” The second-most popular option was “Funny, because there’s some truth in it,” which was selected by 11 percent of respondents.
So, where did the quote come from? I just spent a bit searching WND for the poll and I can't find it anywhere.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200807140002

it has a link to the actual poll.
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Old 07-16-2008, 10:29 AM   #64
 
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this will be on the cover of the the July 21st issue of the New Yorker,
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It shows Michelle with an Afro and an AK 47 and Barack doing the fist bump with Barack in a turban



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The magazine explains at the start of its news release previewing the issue: “On the cover of the July 21, 2008, issue of The New Yorker, in ‘The Politics of Fear,’ artist Barry Blitt satirizes the use of scare tactics and misinformation in the Presidential election to derail Barack Obama’s campaign.”
Any thoughts on this? Some people won't get it, some will still it's a fine line.

The fact is many people haven't gotten it. The fact that the New Yorker editor has to come out and explain the joke is the sad part. First of all the New Yorker is a very left wing organization. They wouldn't go against Obama and they are not going against Obama. The joke is on the conservatives....HELLO PEOPLE! They are making fun of the right wingers out there. <sigh....the fact that people don't get it just saddens me>...
That's the satire in it and Obama shouldn't take any offense to it at all. The New Yorker should have showed the picture in a different way to get their point across. Maybe they should have shown a major conservative speaker painting the picture there to get there point across....ya think?
My question is what's the fine line? Fine line of what? They are just reacting to the conservatives.
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Old 07-22-2008, 11:27 AM   #65
 
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One self-described "informal" poll. How many respondents? What demographic?

It could be just 50 people, all radically to the right. Being informal, it could just be the worldnetdaily.com webmaster's immediate family members. *shrug*
As of today, there were 3200+ respondents. The top choice was "the image isn't too far from the dangerous truth about the Obama family" (59%).
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So we have a quantity of people on who frequent a conservative site responding in this manner.

That's still not very telling of the true impact. <shrug> You'd need a better sampling to get some real numbers.

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Old 07-23-2008, 06:18 PM   #68
 
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I found the cover to be tasteless and it does look like something that would be on MAD magazine, LOL. What I find disturbing is that many people associate being Muslim with being a terrorist.
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