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Old 08-23-2008, 12:10 PM   #21
 
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Besides Biden supporting the Iraq war (and I know that's a biggie), what else do we know about Biden? Just curious.

Do you think Lieberman will be McCain's running mate? I like Lieberman, I think. I say "I think" because I don't know a lot about him, but the little I do, I like him.
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You're young and seemingly healthy. Why not put your money where your mouth is and join the military then, and truly support the war.
Had I not gotten into the college of my choice believe me I would have gone into basic training, but I think I will be more useful to this country doing other things. If I got drafted I would definitely go overseas and even if I dont Id like to get involved...maybe the reserves.
So you only support the war as much as it doesn't involve you making too many sacrifices in your own life? Got it.
I think we're being harsh with boardhopper. I don't support the war, in and of itself. I do support our troops. I have several friends serving in Iraq, as we speak...well, two friends and a cousin.

I think one can support the war without actually fighting in it. He might support the ideas that the war represents. Maybe he thinks it'll bring liberty to the Iraqi people.

The war has been a mixed bag...mostly bad, though. I don't support us being involved to begin with and we should've focused on Afghanistan. With that said, that doesn't mean I should fight in Afghanistan.
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Yeah but it's a lot easier to support a war that you don't have to fight yourself.

Saying that you would enlist if you hadn't gotten into your top choice college just sounded like a cop out to me. There's nothing wrong with saying the military isn't for you, but his post seemed to be making excuses for why he hadn't joined. That was how it came across to me.
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Good point, Iris427.

Anyways, what else about Biden should we know? Inquiring minds wanna know!
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I saw this on AP last night as well. Still not quite sure how I feel about it, although I knew Obama would probably choose him.
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I saw this on AP last night as well. Still not quite sure how I feel about it, although I knew Obama would probably choose him.
I feel like it's one more middle aged white guy wanting to run the country. I don't know what to think about it. Is Senator Obama trying to make up for what he thinks people perceive as a weakness (not enough political experience)? Is he trying to appease the white folks (I should hope not...and don't really think this is true)? Is he trying to convince people that he isn't REALLY against this war? Is he trying to look less liberal and more middle of the road?

I don't know who else he could've chosen. I don't know much about Senator Biden.

I DO know I don't want another four years of a Republican in the big chair.
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AP article that reveals a little bit about Biden:

http://tinyurl.com/67nsqk

The AP also tooted their own horn for blowing Obama's plan to reveal his running mate today.
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You're young and seemingly healthy. Why not put your money where your mouth is and join the military then, and truly support the war.
Had I not gotten into the college of my choice believe me I would have gone into basic training, but I think I will be more useful to this country doing other things. If I got drafted I would definitely go overseas and even if I dont Id like to get involved...maybe the reserves.
So you only support the war as much as it doesn't involve you making too many sacrifices in your own life? Got it.
Well not really, all of the great war generals went to college and got some sort of degree before they served. Gen. Norman Shwartzkompf went to my school and got a Masters in Mech. engineering before he helped bring U.S. victory.
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Had I not gotten into the college of my choice believe me I would have gone into basic training, but I think I will be more useful to this country doing other things. If I got drafted I would definitely go overseas and even if I dont Id like to get involved...maybe the reserves.
So you only support the war as much as it doesn't involve you making too many sacrifices in your own life? Got it.
Well not really, all of the great war generals went to college and got some sort of degree before they served. Gen. Norman Shwartzkompf went to my school and got a Masters in Mech. engineering before he helped bring U.S. victory.
OK because that's not what you originally said.

Like I said, there is nothing wrong with not serving but your post to me made it sound like you would only do it if something better didn't come along.
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My mom and brother were somewhere in that crowd in Spfld, IL today.
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I like Biden. I hate to see him lose more time again. I just can't see Obama winning. I have to admit though that I'm one of those people who does look at the VP. I was giving GWB strong consideration until he chose Cheney. I remembered him and his wife and thought "no way". I liked Lieberman more than Gore so I was happy to vote for that party. In 1980, I was ready to support Bush I over Reagan. So even though he was on the ticket, I didn't support the ticket (I supported John Anderson).
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I was hoping for bloomberg, but I knew it wouldn't happen.

In other news - this is by far the funniest headline
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Had I not gotten into the college of my choice believe me I would have gone into basic training, but I think I will be more useful to this country doing other things. If I got drafted I would definitely go overseas and even if I dont Id like to get involved...maybe the reserves.
So you only support the war as much as it doesn't involve you making too many sacrifices in your own life? Got it.
Well not really, all of the great war generals went to college and got some sort of degree before they served. Gen. Norman Shwartzkompf went to my school and got a Masters in Mech. engineering before he helped bring U.S. victory.

It is General Norman Schwarzkopf...


And he graduated from West Point in 1956 with a Bachelor's of Science in mechanical engineering and was commissioned 2nd Lieutenant.

He received advanced infantry and airborne training at Fort Benning, Georgia, before his first assignment, as executive officer of the 2nd Airborne Battle Group of the 187th Airborne Infantry Regiment at Fort Campbell, Kentucky. Next came stints with the 101st Airborne, and with the 6th Infantry in West Germany. He was aide-de-camp to the Berlin Command in 1960 and 1961

Then he got his Master's degree in Mechanical Engineering at the University of Southern California. His special field of study was guided missile engineering.

In 1965 he was back at West Point, teaching engineering. He decided to join his former classmates in Vietnam the same year.
His father had gone to West Point and served in World War I and II.

So, is West Point in your future? A military academy?
Or have you gone to a military academy? Because
you don't become Schwarzkopf from just a Master's degree.
There is not enough room on this message board to list his military training and participation which started at a very young age.
When he was twelve years old his father was stationed in Iran.
He went to school in Iran, Switzerland, Germany and Italy. He is fluent in French and German.

General Norman Schwarzkopf's first choice was to dedicate his life to the military and his country.


Sorry to OP...
I know this is off the original topic.

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Thanks, utopiastars, for the link. I really know little of Biden. I wonder if anyone from Delaware is here.

As for college vs military, I've seen plenty of college educated individuals who couldn't lead their way out of a paper bag. But, I suppose it is better than a chickenhawk.

As much as I dislike Hillary, I wish he had gone with her instead.
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So you only support the war as much as it doesn't involve you making too many sacrifices in your own life? Got it.
Well not really, all of the great war generals went to college and got some sort of degree before they served. Gen. Norman Shwartzkompf went to my school and got a Masters in Mech. engineering before he helped bring U.S. victory.



It is General Norman Schwarzkopf...


And he graduated from West Point in 1956 with a Bachelor's of Science in mechanical engineering and was commissioned 2nd Lieutenant.

He received advanced infantry and airborne training at Fort Benning, Georgia, before his first assignment, as executive officer of the 2nd Airborne Battle Group of the 187th Airborne Infantry Regiment at Fort Campbell, Kentucky. Next came stints with the 101st Airborne, and with the 6th Infantry in West Germany. He was aide-de-camp to the Berlin Command in 1960 and 1961

Then he got his Master's degree in Mechanical Engineering at the University of Southern California. His special field of study was guided missile engineering.

In 1965 he was back at West Point, teaching engineering. He decided to join his former classmates in Vietnam the same year.
His father had gone to West Point and served in World War I and II.

So, is West Point in your future? A military academy?
Or have you gone to a military academy? Because
you don't become Schwarzkopf from just a Master's degree.
There is not enough room on this message board to list his military training and participation which started at a very young age.
When he was twelve years old his father was stationed in Iran.
He went to school in Iran, Switzerland, Germany and Italy. He is fluent in French and German.

General Norman Schwarzkopf's first choice was to dedicate his life to the military and his country.


Sorry to OP...
I know this is off the original topic.
Nothing you wrote is anything different from what I previously stated. Yes he went to a military academy, which is a college and a place of higher learning and got a degree. I'm going to college as well. Whats your point? Thanks for all that random info about him and his family though.
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Well not really, all of the great war generals went to college and got some sort of degree before they served. Gen. Norman Shwartzkompf went to my school and got a Masters in Mech. engineering before he helped bring U.S. victory.



It is General Norman Schwarzkopf...


And he graduated from West Point in 1956 with a Bachelor's of Science in mechanical engineering and was commissioned 2nd Lieutenant.

He received advanced infantry and airborne training at Fort Benning, Georgia, before his first assignment, as executive officer of the 2nd Airborne Battle Group of the 187th Airborne Infantry Regiment at Fort Campbell, Kentucky. Next came stints with the 101st Airborne, and with the 6th Infantry in West Germany. He was aide-de-camp to the Berlin Command in 1960 and 1961

Then he got his Master's degree in Mechanical Engineering at the University of Southern California. His special field of study was guided missile engineering.

In 1965 he was back at West Point, teaching engineering. He decided to join his former classmates in Vietnam the same year.
His father had gone to West Point and served in World War I and II.

So, is West Point in your future? A military academy?
Or have you gone to a military academy? Because
you don't become Schwarzkopf from just a Master's degree.
There is not enough room on this message board to list his military training and participation which started at a very young age.
When he was twelve years old his father was stationed in Iran.
He went to school in Iran, Switzerland, Germany and Italy. He is fluent in French and German.

General Norman Schwarzkopf's first choice was to dedicate his life to the military and his country.


Sorry to OP...
I know this is off the original topic.
Nothing you wrote is anything different from what I previously stated. Yes he went to a military academy, which is a college and a place of higher learning and got a degree. I'm going to college as well. Whats your point? Thanks for all that random info about him and his family though.

No point. I just feel a few facts were left out.
You need more than a Master's degree to be in his position in the military.
You said he went to the school you are attending and got his Master's degree. That is all you mentioned. You made it sound like all you need is a Master's degree to become a General. He has an extensive military background and has seen and been in tons of combat situations. I just feel if a person has a interest in doing that with his life they would choose a military academy for part of their education.
He served and was airborne before getting that Master's Degree. Your post clearly said you were choosing education first and it is not a military school.
I only asked if your goal was a military career?


His career choice was the military. To gain his rank he did military school, then military experience, then more school, he taught, went to Vietnam, gulf war, more combat...etc
He mixed both together but his choice in a career was going to be the military.
I guess he could have caught the tail end of the Korean War since he was born in 1934 but I wouldn't hold it against him

Students at the U.S. Military Academy at West Point are cadets and each cadet enters military training from the first day they are at the academy. The first year the cadets undergo basic training and the second year, Cadet Field Training. The third and fourth year summers are spent training in military specializations on posts throughout the world. Upon graduation, cadets are commissioned in the U.S. Army and serve in active duty for a minimum of five years.
And the above doesn't even mention the classes they are taking for that Bachelor's degree.

You're welcome for the information regarding his background.
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