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Old 08-28-2008, 04:09 PM   #41
 
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More food for thought

In this country you need a license:
to drive a car
catch a fish
own a dog
hunt
own a gun
to get married plus medical testing for that
to work in a number of professional fields

ETA: AND we make people jump through hoops with high expectations that a large % of people couldn't meet to adopt a child

But any ******* psycho, or crackhead can have a kid if their equipment works.

If that's not ironic, I don't know what is.

Despite the tragedies that sometimes occur, I do not want to live in a country that would regulate reproduction.

I think we can come up with alternatives to that if we use half a brain.
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Old 08-28-2008, 04:20 PM   #42
 
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More food for thought

In this country you need a license:
to drive a car
catch a fish
own a dog
hunt
own a gun
to get married plus medical testing for that
to work in a number of professional fields

ETA: AND we make people jump through hoops with high expectations that a large % of people couldn't meet to adopt a child

But any ******* psycho, or crackhead can have a kid if their equipment works.

If that's not ironic, I don't know what is.

Despite the tragedies that sometimes occur, I do not want to live in a country that would regulate reproduction.

I think we can come up with alternatives to that if we use half a brain.
Exactly.
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More food for thought

In this country you need a license:
to drive a car
catch a fish
own a dog
hunt
own a gun
to get married plus medical testing for that
to work in a number of professional fields

ETA: AND we make people jump through hoops with high expectations that a large % of people couldn't meet to adopt a child

But any ******* psycho, or crackhead can have a kid if their equipment works.

If that's not ironic, I don't know what is.
But the right to reproduce is kind of a basic human right, no? Driving a car isn't.
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Old 08-28-2008, 04:33 PM   #44
 
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More food for thought

In this country you need a license:
to drive a car
catch a fish
own a dog
hunt
own a gun
to get married plus medical testing for that
to work in a number of professional fields

ETA: AND we make people jump through hoops with high expectations that a large % of people couldn't meet to adopt a child

But any ******* psycho, or crackhead can have a kid if their equipment works.

If that's not ironic, I don't know what is.
But the right to reproduce is kind of a basic human right, no? Driving a car isn't.
Yes, it is. I can't even fathom equating the right to reproduce to having a fishing license.
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Old 08-28-2008, 05:08 PM   #45
 
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I'm going to say one more thing about the reproductive rights thing, then I'm done.

I never said that I was pro-reproductive regulation. I was being sarcastic the first time, and then listing some ironies of life.

And I know I'm not the only one who's every had a brief thought when they hear about a child that dies horrible at the hands of their that if only there was something one could do to prevent them from having more kids. Even if it was just for a moment.

I don't want someone telling me what I can and can't do with my body. I don't trust any government with that kind of power. IMO it would only work in an idealized world where there would be no need for it anyways.
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Edited due to a cyberstalker. Sorry, guys.

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Old 08-28-2008, 05:21 PM   #47
 
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I think there needs to be more required safety courses, continuing education in safety courses, etc. for gun-owners. If you're going to own a gun, then you should be required to be constantly reminded (on a yearly? basis) of safety procedures, etc. There is definitely not enough emphasis on this, imo. Having to re-qualify every year or so by taking a safety course/pass a written test and a range test isn't too much to ask. Part of the course should involve hearing about stories just like the one we're talking about.

Keep this kind of stuff in the forefront of people's minds. I own a gun. I sure as hell don't feel like getting into a frikkin' gun debate because I'm not in the mood. I have cave crickets to worry about right now. But I would absolutely not have a problem doing what I stated above. I'm glad that I have this right, but it does make me leery about other people. I trust myself and I trust my husband because we are fanatically safe. And there are a lot of responsible, fanatically safe gun-owners out there, just like us, but there are also boneheads who have guns, too.

Not much you can do about the folks who have guns illegaly, but you CAN do a little something more, more awareness, etc. for the people who have guns legally.

just my .02
It would at least help a little.
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Old 08-28-2008, 05:21 PM   #48
 
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A similar story this morning in CT:

http://www.wtnh.com/global/story.asp?s=8915150

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Posted August 28, 2008
Updated 4:25 PM
(WTNH) -- It is being called an accident, but that is little comfort to a family grieving the loss of a two-year-old boy.
Wyatt Matteau suffered a deadly wound when the gun went off Thursday morning on Green Avenue.
"I ran over there, that's when I saw he was shot in the face," Dawn Barr, a neighbor, said.
The toddler, his parents and a four-month-old were all in the apartment when the accident happened. The boy was alone when the hand-gun went off and one bullet struck him in the head.
The scene is disturbing to friends and neighbors who know this family and are friendly with the boy's mother.
"She was hysterical,' Bar said. "I just took the little baby from her to get her out of that situation."

People who live here are also questioning how the boy got his hands on the gun in the first place.
"Should be locked up in the first place and should not be left lying around for kids to have access to it," Michael Schena, a neighbor, said. "It's just awful."
"If I had a two year old in my house, I would not have a loaded gun under my pillow," Sharon Thomas, a neighbor, said.
State Police have not said where the gun was kept nor if it was properly registered.
There are laws requiring owners to store guns in a way that those under 16 can't get at them.
"We're going to examine everything here to see if a portion of any of the laws regarding the possession of a handgun, location of a handgun any of the laws were violated here," Lt. J. Paul Vance, of the CT State Police, said.

The child was flown, by LifeStar, to Hartford Hospital where he was pronounced dead.
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Old 08-28-2008, 05:26 PM   #49
 
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Such needless tragedies and suffering.
So freaking sad.
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It's cympreni versus:





and the BABY SUPPORTERS!

Naw, I'm just foolin around. I get ya, cympreni, for what it's worth.
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I guess I just don't understand why people feel the need to own a gun. Some people say it is for 'protection', but in most cases this just makes a situation far more dangerous. I can't say I know much about easy it is to own a gun, legally or otherwise, in any country but I think it should be a great deal harder to get hold of one, then perhaps we wouldn't hear so many of these types of cases. I do not believe it is a 'right' to own a weapon like that.
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I do believe in citizens' right to bear arms, but I wouldn't personally own one, for 3 reasons.

1) I've been raising children for 22 years, and there is no sure way to keep a weapon out of their reach. Kids find EVERYTHING. They can get into ANYTHING. I don't want to find out my hiding place wasn't good enough by having a dead kid.

2) I'm afraid I would use it. If I had owned a gun when I was with my ex-husband, he would be dead now, because I would have blown his head off, and I would probably be in jail and my kids would be wards of the state. I'm rather glad I didn't have one.

3) Most weapons in the home that are needed for "protection" actually end up being used against the owner if bad guys enter the home. I'd rather not have my head blown off by my own gun.

So, no, I don't need a gun in my house. If ever I feel I need to arm myself to become part of a militia or something, I'll do so. Until then, I think they are not worth the risk.
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I do believe in citizens' right to bear arms, but I wouldn't personally own one, for 3 reasons.

1) I've been raising children for 22 years, and there is no sure way to keep a weapon out of their reach. Kids find EVERYTHING. They can get into ANYTHING. I don't want to find out my hiding place wasn't good enough by having a dead kid.

2) I'm afraid I would use it. If I had owned a gun when I was with my ex-husband, he would be dead now, because I would have blown his head off, and I would probably be in jail and my kids would be wards of the state. I'm rather glad I didn't have one.

3) Most weapons in the home that are needed for "protection" actually end up being used against the owner if bad guys enter the home. I'd rather not have my head blown off by my own gun.

So, no, I don't need a gun in my house. If ever I feel I need to arm myself to become part of a militia or something, I'll do so. Until then, I think they are not worth the risk.
ITA.

My Father owned a gun & almost shot my brother in the head, because he thought he was an intruder. I was always afraid to go into my parent's room in the middle of the night if I needed anything. He bought it to protect his family. We all feared him with this gun. People can be such idiots. To date, I've never shot a gun. Just to look at one makes me nervous.
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I was being sarcastic the first time, and then listing some ironies of life.
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Cympreni, I didn't think you were serious about reproductive regulation, but it does make for the beginnings of an interesting discussion.
This is how I took it also.
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I do believe in citizens' right to bear arms, but I wouldn't personally own one, for 3 reasons.

1) I've been raising children for 22 years, and there is no sure way to keep a weapon out of their reach. Kids find EVERYTHING. They can get into ANYTHING. I don't want to find out my hiding place wasn't good enough by having a dead kid.

2) I'm afraid I would use it. If I had owned a gun when I was with my ex-husband, he would be dead now, because I would have blown his head off, and I would probably be in jail and my kids would be wards of the state. I'm rather glad I didn't have one.

3) Most weapons in the home that are needed for "protection" actually end up being used against the owner if bad guys enter the home. I'd rather not have my head blown off by my own gun.

So, no, I don't need a gun in my house. If ever I feel I need to arm myself to become part of a militia or something, I'll do so. Until then, I think they are not worth the risk.
I completely agree. Although, I grew up around guns. My father was an avid hunter; shot guns, hand guns, he owned a mini-oozy at one point. They weren't locked up, but they weren't loaded either.
I won't ever own a gun, and my husband won't either. I have enough to do with teaching kids about bad people, snakes and spiders. I don't want to worry about a gun in house that they find while snooping thru my stuff (because I am sure it happens).
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My family has always owned guns, a few pistols and some rifles for hunting. My dad always kept them locked up in a case in my parent's closet. We had the fear of God put in us to not try and get them out unless one of my parents got them out. We were allowed to handle them, touch them and what not, but only if they were not loaded. My brother eventually started hunting with my dad and my dad taught him how to shoot, take care of the gun, etc. I've grown up with a respect for guns, and I know better than to use them for just silly stuff or to show off. I have seriously thought about applying for a concealed handgun license just for protection when I'm traveling or somewhere by myself. Because of the way I was raised though, I know better than to leave loaded guns, or any guns for that matter unattended. They are either out and you're using them, or they're locked up somewhere, that's the rule.
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