No Charges?!?!? WTF....

Sorry...but it's NEVER, EVER an accident when a toddler kills himself with a loaded gun...


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Coroner: W.Pa. toddler dead after shooting self

The Associated Press

SIGEL, Pa.A western Pennsylvania toddler is dead after he picked up an unattended handgun and shot himself in the head.
Elk County Coroner Louis Radkowski says 3-year-old Trey Rosenberger, who was from Beaver County, was at a camp in Millstone Township with family and friends and adults who were target shooting on Monday.
Radkowski says the gun was left loaded and unattended on a chair when the boy picked up the gun around 11 a.m. The death has been ruled an accident. State Police are investigating. No charges have been filed.
Sorry...but it's NEVER, EVER an accident when a toddler kills himself with a loaded gun...


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Coroner: W.Pa. toddler dead after shooting self

The Associated Press

SIGEL, Pa.A western Pennsylvania toddler is dead after he picked up an unattended handgun and shot himself in the head.
Elk County Coroner Louis Radkowski says 3-year-old Trey Rosenberger, who was from Beaver County, was at a camp in Millstone Township with family and friends and adults who were target shooting on Monday.
Radkowski says the gun was left loaded and unattended on a chair when the boy picked up the gun around 11 a.m. The death has been ruled an accident. State Police are investigating. No charges have been filed.
Originally Posted by RedCatWaves
I would have thought they would be charged with at least involuntary manslaughter or some kind of negligence with a child. That's horribly irresponsible and ridiculous.
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Sorry...but it's NEVER, EVER an accident when a toddler kills himself with a loaded gun...


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Coroner: W.Pa. toddler dead after shooting self

The Associated Press

SIGEL, Pa.A western Pennsylvania toddler is dead after he picked up an unattended handgun and shot himself in the head.
Elk County Coroner Louis Radkowski says 3-year-old Trey Rosenberger, who was from Beaver County, was at a camp in Millstone Township with family and friends and adults who were target shooting on Monday.
Radkowski says the gun was left loaded and unattended on a chair when the boy picked up the gun around 11 a.m. The death has been ruled an accident. State Police are investigating. No charges have been filed.
Originally Posted by RedCatWaves
um, neglect? that's so sad.
Very tragic. Another example of how much lea way authorities are willing to give bad parents.
I would have thought they would be charged with at least involuntary manslaughter or some kind of negligence with a child. That's horribly irresponsible and ridiculous.
Originally Posted by Amandacurls
Yeah, some kind of negligence for sure. I hope these people at least have their gun license taken away.
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That's just awful...
Definitely negligence, for sure..how could it not be?
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i don't know, it's definitely a tragedy. but i have mixed feelings about prosecuting someone who just lost their child bc of their own negligence.... i think they're being punished sufficiently.
i don't know, it's definitely a tragedy. but i have mixed feelings about prosecuting someone who just lost their child bc of their own negligence.... i think they're being punished sufficiently.
Originally Posted by nadina

I don't. Seems like this kind of stuff keeps happening, so maybe we (as a society) need to set a stronger example for all the other stupid parents who have loaded guns around their little kids.
i don't know, it's definitely a tragedy. but i have mixed feelings about prosecuting someone who just lost their child bc of their own negligence.... i think they're being punished sufficiently.
Originally Posted by nadina
Lots of people go to prision because of neglegence that resulted in a death. I imagine most drunk drivers don't have any intention of hurting someone when they get behind the wheel, or drug addicted parents whose kids die because they were high, or didn't put their drugs up probably suffer emotionally for it too. But we wouldn't hesitate to lock them away. This is no different.

We as a society always say that child welfare and safety is a high priority, but our actions speak differently. If we really want to protect children, we need to start putting our money where our mouth is and stop giving people the benefit of the doubt just because they successfully used their reproductive organs.
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i don't know, it's definitely a tragedy. but i have mixed feelings about prosecuting someone who just lost their child bc of their own negligence.... i think they're being punished sufficiently.
Originally Posted by nadina

I don't. Seems like this kind of stuff keeps happening, so maybe we (as a society) need to set a stronger example for all the other stupid parents who have loaded guns around their little kids.
Originally Posted by RedCatWaves
I don't either.
Of course this family is grieving, but who in the HELL leaves a loaded gun sitting on a ****ing chair to where a toddler can reach it?
I do have to wonder what kind of gun it was, though, cause even I think pulling the trigger on a .45 or a 9mm is a little tough (that was a while ago though).
It was a .44 caliber revolver.
How on earth was he able to pull the trigger?
And it was just sitting on a chair while they were in another room making breakfast? That's insanity. How can you leave a loaded gun, ready to go, just lying around with a child in the house? I don't get it.
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It was a .44 caliber revolver.
How on earth was he able to pull the trigger?
And it was just sitting on a chair while they were in another room making breakfast? That's insanity. How can you leave a loaded gun, ready to go, just lying around with a child in the house? I don't get it.
Originally Posted by yagottaloveyacurls
This is what I was thinking too. It just makes NO sense. This kind of insanity angers me to no end.
It was a .44 caliber revolver.
How on earth was he able to pull the trigger?
And it was just sitting on a chair while they were in another room making breakfast? That's insanity. How can you leave a loaded gun, ready to go, just lying around with a child in the house? I don't get it.
Originally Posted by yagottaloveyacurls
I'm floored that anyone would leave a loaded gun laying on a chair in any kind of company. Even in a house full of adults, that seems exceptionally stupid and irresponsible.

With a child in the house, though? That's criminal. And should be prosecuted.
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i don't know, it's definitely a tragedy. but i have mixed feelings about prosecuting someone who just lost their child bc of their own negligence.... i think they're being punished sufficiently.
Originally Posted by nadina

I don't. Seems like this kind of stuff keeps happening, so maybe we (as a society) need to set a stronger example for all the other stupid parents who have loaded guns around their little kids.
Originally Posted by RedCatWaves
i gotcha, and it's true this kind of carelessness needs to stop. but i don't think throwing more and more people in jail has really decreased the problem over time. clearly this one family is never going to leave out a gun again. it's other people that we need to worry about....

how about a public education campaign or something? incentives to buy childproof containers for guns?

cympreni, i think you could compare this situation to a drunk driver who kills their own child or family member. but i think the level of negligence is much higher for the drunk driver. and they have direct control over the car in that case. but it's true, i don't have a problem with putting away that person.

i'm also thinking of a woman i met years ago whose 5 children died in a house fire. it wasn't clear who caused the fire at first, i think it came out that it was actually her daughter. but the mom covered it up, and the police were still looking to prosecute her. that's probably where my hesitancy comes form.
That is so sad. Something needs to be done to keep this from happening. Ridiculous that there was a loaded gun in the house anyway (in my opinion), and it was within the reach of a child. What made the parents think that was okay??
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I don't think a public education campaign would do squat. I think the only preventative measures that would work for this particular problem would be to either outlaw guns, or require people to take intelligence tests before they're allowed to procreate. It doesn't take a whole lot of common sense to know you shouldn't leave a loaded weapon laying around.
I'm stunned that no one is being charged with negligence or involuntary manslaughter. That's incomprehensible to me; a 3 yr. old is dead because the adults in his life left a loaded gun on a chair! How could they be so careless? I'm sure they feel very guilty, and they should, but criminal charges should still be filed.
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I think the only preventative measures that would work for this particular problem would be to either outlaw guns, or require people to take intelligence tests before they're allowed to procreate.
Originally Posted by cympreni
I'm completely against outlawing guns, but I'm all for a test before you procreate!!
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We as a society always say that child welfare and safety is a high priority, but our actions speak differently. If we really want to protect children, we need to start putting our money where our mouth is and stop giving people the benefit of the doubt just because they successfully used their reproductive organs.
Originally Posted by cympreni
So what do you suggest we do? I'm not being snarky, just curious.
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