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Old 09-01-2008, 11:51 AM   #21
 
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It's never good news when a 17 year old is pregnant. Apparently, McCain knew about this prior to naming her. It'll be interesting to see how the hardcore wing of the party reacts. I personally don't it so much as as "sin" but more as a huge mistake.
I just can't believe that this is true. Why would he invite that kind of drama into his campaign? Especially for an unknown VP candidate. I could see him accepting it if he picked Condoleeza Rice or some other woman/man who has already made a name for her/himself but I can't see how Pallin would be worth the risk.
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Old 09-01-2008, 11:51 AM   #22
 
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She also got 3 driving violations while home with mono.
So there's two Bristols? ANOTHER PALIN COVER-UP!!



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So...um...I guess teaching abstinence-only sex education doesn't work?!?!?

The skeptic in me thinks this may be just another layer to the lies and deception...and that maybe Bristol will have a "miscarriage" shortly, after the noise about her mother's faked pregnancy dies down. This poor girl...caught in her mother's web of ambition.
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Wow, it's amazing how much personal stuff this candidate has going on. The BIL situation, rumors about her last pregnancy, daughter is now pregnant. Right after she's chosen for VP candidate, too. I would be saying the same thing if this was a male candidate. Palin is the 1st in line if McCain gets elected - him being 72 years old, the oldest to take the White House, with a history health problems. I've planned on reluctantly supporting Obama, but all along have said I'm ok with McCain and will hear him out before I make a definite choice. This VP pick really concerns me, though, because of both her extreme views on issues and the personal drama that surrounds her. I wonder how undecided voters feel about all of this.

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It's weird that the Palin's are presenting this news as a way to show the other rumor isn't true. That shows they feel the need to do that. If it weren't true, they probably wouldn't be acting on that need, but rather just not dignifying because it's ludicrous. After all there would be people like doctors, etc., who knew the truth. If you're going to dignify it, why use this.

That's aside from the fact that it doesn't actually prove she didn't carry Trig.

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GASP! She had the sex before marriage?!

Can't wait to here how the judgmental asshats who ***** and moan about this type of stuff will defend this one.

Her daughter being pregnant doesn't make me consider her a hypocrite. A person is a hypocrite when their own actions don't match their words. What does bother me is if the rumor that Trig is Bristol's is true (and the more things considered, there is nothing that really defies the suggestion, but there's more suspicious material to go off of to strengthen the rumor). That would bother me because it's dishonest and unethical.

Someone who purports to have Christian values (as long as she still believes in democracy and will let the people decide) and promotes those values having a pregnant teenage daughter isn't a hypocrite. If she has publicly condemned extramarital affairs and has one of her own, that's hypocrite material.
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Bristol...Is that a place name in the USA, out of curiosity?
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Bristol...Is that a place name in the USA, out of curiosity?


It's a place name all over...I know there is a Bristol, Pennsylvania, and probably in many other states too. I think there's a Bristol Bay in Alaska. And, of course, there's Bristol, England.
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if she were a democrat i doubt a teenage daughter being pregnant would make bit of difference. i mean, who cares? it's only important because the conservative right makes such a big deal about waiting for marriage before engaging in sex and condemning individuals (esp. the black community) for having a baby out of wedlock.

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now that i think about it...i think having teenage daughter pregnant would be an issue for either party and despite the gender of the candidate. our country is kind of in the dark ages when it comes to confronting teenage sex logically.

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Bristol...Is that a place name in the USA, out of curiosity?
I'm sure there are Bristols all over the place.
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I think there's a Bristol Bay in Alaska.
Yep, I read that Bristol Palin was named after it.
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It's weird that the Palin's are presenting this news as a way to show the other rumor isn't true. That shows they feel the need to do that. If it weren't true, they probably wouldn't be acting on that need, but rather just not dignifying because it's ludicrous. After all there would be people like doctors, etc., who knew the truth. If you're going to dignify it, why use this.

That's aside from the fact that it doesn't actually prove she didn't carry Trig.

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GASP! She had the sex before marriage?!

Can't wait to here how the judgmental asshats who ***** and moan about this type of stuff will defend this one.

Her daughter being pregnant doesn't make me consider her a hypocrite. A person is a hypocrite when their own actions don't match their words. What does bother me is if the rumor that Trig is Bristol's is true (and the more things considered, there is nothing that really defies the suggestion, but there's more suspicious material to go off of to strengthen the rumor). That would bother me because it's dishonest and unethical.

Someone who purports to have Christian values (as long as she still believes in democracy and will let the people decide) and promotes those values having a pregnant teenage daughter isn't a hypocrite. If she has publicly condemned extramarital affairs and has one of her own, that's hypocrite material.
i ABSOLUTELY think so. under bush and his "family values" bullplop!!! millions of dollars of funding was taken away from health services that talked about abortion. millions more were poured into ABSTINENCE ONLY education. they need to be spending money on sex ed and birth control. those two things are proven to reduce teen pregnancy, not their hear no evil, see no evil approach.


to me this is just like bush/cheney being anti-gay marriage when cheney's own daughter is gay. more proof that our government has no right to govern what goes on or doesn't go on in our bedrooms!
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Bristol...Is that a place name in the USA, out of curiosity?


It's a place name all over...I know there is a Bristol, Pennsylvania, and probably in many other states too. I think there's a Bristol Bay in Alaska. And, of course, there's Bristol, England.
Thanks. I know other people are named after places (Brooklyn being a high profile example), but Bristol just sounds like a really strange and not very nice name. Sorry for going off-topic. I'll pop back in my box.
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I feel sorry for Bristol. I can't imagine being 17 and pregnant at all, not to mention having the whole world talking about it.

And it puts me off that they released this news just to counteract the rumors about whether Trig was really Palin's child or not. Bristol's pregnancy would have come out anyway, but it makes it seem like they are using a 17 year old for political purposes. JMO.
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The skeptic in me thinks this may be just another layer to the lies and deception...and that maybe Bristol will have a "miscarriage" shortly, after the noise about her mother's faked pregnancy dies down.
Hey, anything is possible (I love conspiracy theories!), I personally wouldn't care if every single member of the Palin family was pregnant with Elvis's alien love child. Picking Palin was a brilliant move for McCain because it has excited so many types of conservatives. Social conservatives obviously, but also the fiscal conservative/small government/libertarian types (like me and a lot of my friends) which is almost impossible to do. It also keeps democrats from making all the "hey its 2 rich white guys with lots o'houses" jokes they've been saving up in anticipation of Romney. I hope Chris Matthews will still be able to get his "tingle" on!
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Thanks. I know other people are named after places (Brooklyn being a high profile example), but Bristol just sounds like a really strange and not very nice name.Sorry for going off-topic. I'll pop back in my box.
probably because it almost sounds like "bristle".
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Thanks. I know other people are named after places (Brooklyn being a high profile example), but Bristol just sounds like a really strange and not very nice name.Sorry for going off-topic. I'll pop back in my box.
probably because it almost sounds like "bristle".


I like the name. I like all 3 of her daughters' names actually...Bristol, Willow, and Piper. Very new-agey. The boys' names, Trig and Track, are kinda yucky...very math-y sounding.
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It's weird that the Palin's are presenting this news as a way to show the other rumor isn't true. That shows they feel the need to do that. If it weren't true, they probably wouldn't be acting on that need, but rather just not dignifying because it's ludicrous. After all there would be people like doctors, etc., who knew the truth. If you're going to dignify it, why use this.

That's aside from the fact that it doesn't actually prove she didn't carry Trig.

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GASP! She had the sex before marriage?!

Can't wait to here how the judgmental asshats who ***** and moan about this type of stuff will defend this one.

Her daughter being pregnant doesn't make me consider her a hypocrite. A person is a hypocrite when their own actions don't match their words. What does bother me is if the rumor that Trig is Bristol's is true (and the more things considered, there is nothing that really defies the suggestion, but there's more suspicious material to go off of to strengthen the rumor). That would bother me because it's dishonest and unethical.

Someone who purports to have Christian values (as long as she still believes in democracy and will let the people decide) and promotes those values having a pregnant teenage daughter isn't a hypocrite. If she has publicly condemned extramarital affairs and has one of her own, that's hypocrite material.
i ABSOLUTELY think so. under bush and his "family values" bullplop!!! millions of dollars of funding was taken away from health services that talked about abortion. millions more were poured into ABSTINENCE ONLY education. they need to be spending money on sex ed and birth control. those two things are proven to reduce teen pregnancy, not their hear no evil, see no evil approach.


to me this is just like bush/cheney being anti-gay marriage when cheney's own daughter is gay. more proof that our government has no right to govern what goes on or doesn't go on in our bedrooms!
If a parent is passionately anti-war and vocal about it and has a son who joins up to fight, that doesn't make the parent a hypocrite. Technically being a hypocrite should be limited to when your own actions don't match your words, not extended to your kids...who are their own people. I understand where you're coming from, but those choices are better placed under the category of failing to recognize reality.

As an aside, I'm for abstinence and have christian values, and unless a person doesn't want to hear, I'm up for sharing why I support it. However, I know you cannot just say it and expect someone to connect with it. It takes faith, an understanding of the bible and conviction to have it written on your heart. So just saying, be abstinent because that's 'right and good' shouldn't be expected to net abstinent youth. When people make decisions that effect everyone else based off that expectation, I do understand the resentment of it.
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"Let me be a clear as possible: I have said before and I will repeat again, I think people's families are off limits," Obama said, "and people's children are especially off limits.

"This shouldn't be part of our politics," he continued, "It has no relevance to Gov. Palin's performance as governor, or her potential performance as a vice president.

"And so I would strongly urge people to back off these kinds of stories," he said. "You know my mother had me when she was 18, and how a family deals with issues and, you know, teenage children, that shouldn't be the topic of our politics and I hope that anybody who is supporting me understands that's off limits."
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"Let me be a clear as possible: I have said before and I will repeat again, I think people's families are off limits," Obama said, "and people's children are especially off limits.

"This shouldn't be part of our politics," he continued, "It has no relevance to Gov. Palin's performance as governor, or her potential performance as a vice president.

"And so I would strongly urge people to back off these kinds of stories," he said. "You know my mother had me when she was 18, and how a family deals with issues and, you know, teenage children, that shouldn't be the topic of our politics and I hope that anybody who is supporting me understands that's off limits."

I'm not an Obama supporter, but that gives me even more respect for him than I had before. I hope everyone involved will take a similar attitude.
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