Palin's Daughter IS pregnant now...

obama responds:
"Let me be a clear as possible: I have said before and I will repeat again, I think people's families are off limits," Obama said, "and people's children are especially off limits.

"This shouldn't be part of our politics," he continued, "It has no relevance to Gov. Palin's performance as governor, or her potential performance as a vice president.

"And so I would strongly urge people to back off these kinds of stories," he said. "You know my mother had me when she was 18, and how a family deals with issues and, you know, teenage children, that shouldn't be the topic of our politics and I hope that anybody who is supporting me understands that's off limits."
Originally Posted by frau
Good for him.
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Wow, it's amazing how much personal stuff this candidate has going on. The BIL situation, rumors about her last pregnancy, daughter is now pregnant. Right after she's chosen for VP candidate, too. I would be saying the same thing if this was a male candidate. Palin is the 1st in line if McCain gets elected - him being 72 years old, the oldest to take the White House, with a history health problems. I've planned on reluctantly supporting Obama, but all along have said I'm ok with McCain and will hear him out before I make a definite choice. This VP pick really concerns me, though, because of both her extreme views on issues and the personal drama that surrounds her. I wonder how undecided voters feel about all of this.
Originally Posted by MistressM.
Well, this one keeps edging toward Obama's corner, but I'll be keeping both ears opened to hear the next wild story to come along. I just don't want to spend another 4-8 years doing this:
It's weird that the Palin's are presenting this news as a way to show the other rumor isn't true. That shows they feel the need to do that. If it weren't true, they probably wouldn't be acting on that need, but rather just not dignifying because it's ludicrous. After all there would be people like doctors, etc., who knew the truth. If you're going to dignify it, why use this.

That's aside from the fact that it doesn't actually prove she didn't carry Trig.

GASP! She had the sex before marriage?!

Can't wait to here how the judgmental asshats who ***** and moan about this type of stuff will defend this one.
Originally Posted by legends

Her daughter being pregnant doesn't make me consider her a hypocrite. A person is a hypocrite when their own actions don't match their words. What does bother me is if the rumor that Trig is Bristol's is true (and the more things considered, there is nothing that really defies the suggestion, but there's more suspicious material to go off of to strengthen the rumor). That would bother me because it's dishonest and unethical.

Someone who purports to have Christian values (as long as she still believes in democracy and will let the people decide) and promotes those values having a pregnant teenage daughter isn't a hypocrite. If she has publicly condemned extramarital affairs and has one of her own, that's hypocrite material.
Originally Posted by westcoastcurls
I totally agree with this. Maybe her mother did try and teach her that she shouldn't have sex before getting married, but teenagers are stupid by nature. Now Bristol will learn that her actions have consequences. You cannot blame her mother or conservatives for holding a certain belief just because some people who claim to hold those beliefs go against them. Plus now she's trying to do what she thinks it right, it's pretty brave for a 17 year old to do.
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obama responds:
"Let me be a clear as possible: I have said before and I will repeat again, I think people's families are off limits," Obama said, "and people's children are especially off limits.

"This shouldn't be part of our politics," he continued, "It has no relevance to Gov. Palin's performance as governor, or her potential performance as a vice president.

"And so I would strongly urge people to back off these kinds of stories," he said. "You know my mother had me when she was 18, and how a family deals with issues and, you know, teenage children, that shouldn't be the topic of our politics and I hope that anybody who is supporting me understands that's off limits."
Originally Posted by frau

Good for Obama for taking the high road.

I'm still gonna think Palin is a misogynistic nut-job though...and probably lied about her pregnancy.
Good for Obama.

I also like Palin's statement on her daughter's pregnancy. If I had gotten pregnant as a teenager, this is the attitude I'd want my mom to have (though I'm not sure I'd want her running for VP so the whole country would know I was pregnant):

"Our beautiful daughter Bristol came to us with news that as parents we knew would make her grow up faster than we had ever planned. As Bristol faces the responsibilities of adulthood, she knows she has our unconditional love and support," the Palins said.

The Palins asked the news media to respect the young couple's privacy.



"Bristol and the young man she will marry are going to realize very quickly the difficulties of raising a child, which is why they will have the love and support of our entire family. We ask the media, respect our daughter and Levi's privacy as has always been the tradition of children of candidates," the statement concluded.
(From the MSNBC article)
Good for senator Obama. He's seems like a decent guy, if he were for lowering government spending and making government smaller, I might vote for him I thought this was an interesting response to the conspiracy theories about Trig Palin's birth:

Lee Stranahan (Huffington Post) does the math for Trig Truthers: “Some people are still holding onto the fake pregnancy rumor. Let’s just do some math. Trig was on April 18, 2008 - about four months and a week ago. Bristol is said to be five months pregnant. Now, if you want to pretend that the five month date is a total lie then you’d also have to believe that the 17 year old had a Down’s Syndrome baby then turned right around and got pregnant again presumably because the first premature birth was so freakin’ awesome!”
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I agree, family should be off limits. Plus, don't all of us have some family drama at one point or another?

Granted my son is only 3 but as a parent you can raise your child with whatever beliefs you think are right but in the end they are their own person with their own free will not robots.
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Good for senator Obama. He's seems like a decent guy, if he were for lowering government spending and making government smaller, I might vote for him I thought this was an interesting response to the conspiracy theories about Trig Palin's birth:

Lee Stranahan (Huffington Post) does the math for Trig Truthers: “Some people are still holding onto the fake pregnancy rumor. Let’s just do some math. Trig was on April 18, 2008 - about four months and a week ago. Bristol is said to be five months pregnant. Now, if you want to pretend that the five month date is a total lie then you’d also have to believe that the 17 year old had a Down’s Syndrome baby then turned right around and got pregnant again presumably because the first premature birth was so freakin’ awesome!”
Originally Posted by Ella


Not so unusual though. The recidivism rate among birth moms who relinquish babies for adoption is astonishingly high...and even higher in those who weren't given much choice in relinquishing or not.

Just to play devil's advocate, but what is "5 months pregnant" anyway? No one in the medical world uses "months" because it's so inaccurate. Five months could mean 16-20 weeks, or it could mean 20-24 weeks. If Trig was born April 18, that's 19 weeks ago. It's possible for someone to be "5 months pregnant" in that timeframe.
Yeah, I agree with RCW - them announcing that the daughter is pregnant, if anything, gives more legs to the rumour that Trig is Sarah's daughter. I agree that it's common for a teenager to have an unplanned pregnancy, be forced to give up the child when they don't really want to, and then grieve the loss of the child by getting pregnant almost immediately to try and replace that loss. Bristol obviously wasn't nursing Trig if he's not supposed to be hers, and she's young and fertile, so even if he was hers, her period was probably back within the month and she could have conceived again right away and this time insisted on keeping the baby (not very healthy for her to be pregnant so quickly though.) And five months is indeed very vague timing. I agree that I wouldn't be surprised if the baby is a month "overdue." Even though she sees the baby all the time, IF it is hers, not being publicly acknowledged as the mother still hurts. I also don't think it was very nice of Sarah to put her daughter in the national spotlight like that to save her own rep utation.

I am not saying that the rumour IS true, just that the pregnancy announcement makes it seem more true, not less. And I don't really understand how the daughter's pregnancy has anything to do with the mother as a politician. Sarah can still hold whatever beliefs she wants, right or wrong, regardless of what her daughter does or doesn't do. And it would seem that she has followed her pro-life, family values beliefs. What would be more scandalous would be if she forced Bristol to have an abortion, or adopt the baby to strangers against her will.

One thing that makes me think the rumour might be true is the pictures of Bristol with Trig versus the pictures of Sarah with Trig. Something in Bristol's face makes me wonder if she is the mother.

And I don't like any of the kids' names (Willow is the least bad.)
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And I don't like any of the kids' names (Willow is the least bad.)
Isn't there a Piper in this bunch. I like that one. It's not nearly as uncommon as the others.
And I don't like any of the kids' names (Willow is the least bad.)
Isn't there a Piper in this bunch. I like that one. It's not nearly as uncommon as the others.
Originally Posted by MistressM.
I know a few Pipers, but to me it is a) a last name b) a male name. Hey, we all have different taste in names - I just don't share hers. I'm wondering how they are Alaskan names, too. Apparently Bristol is named after Bristol Bay in Alaska, but Track and Trig?
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And I don't like any of the kids' names (Willow is the least bad.)
Isn't there a Piper in this bunch. I like that one. It's not nearly as uncommon as the others.
Originally Posted by MistressM.
I know a few Pipers, but to me it is a) a last name b) a male name. Hey, we all have different taste in names - I just don't share hers. I'm wondering how they are Alaskan names, too. Apparently Bristol is named after Bristol Bay in Alaska, but Track and Trig?
Originally Posted by Amneris
Really? If I met a man named Piper, I'd wonder why his parents have him a girl's name.
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Isn't there a Piper in this bunch. I like that one. It's not nearly as uncommon as the others.
Originally Posted by MistressM.
I know a few Pipers, but to me it is a) a last name b) a male name. Hey, we all have different taste in names - I just don't share hers. I'm wondering how they are Alaskan names, too. Apparently Bristol is named after Bristol Bay in Alaska, but Track and Trig?
Originally Posted by Amneris
Really? If I met a man named Piper, I'd wonder why his parents have him a girl's name.
Originally Posted by Bailey422
Same here. Both Pipers I've known of were female.

I like both Piper and Willow as names. The others... ehhh. I agree with the comments about math-like names for the boys.
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One thing that makes me think the rumour might be true is the pictures of Bristol with Trig versus the pictures of Sarah with Trig. Something in Bristol's face makes me wonder if she is the mother.
Originally Posted by Amneris
Heh, I know it's certainly an unscientific way to weigh it, but Meghan McCain has a lot of candid backstage pictures on her blog and I was impressed with the same thought. It may very well be the power of suggestion, but Sarah Palin has a "grandmother's look" to me.

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Piper must be like Lindsay or Ashley - were male names, now given mostly to females. I did know one male Ashley in my high school class. He wasn't given a hard time for it, but I felt kind of sorry for him since there were several female Ashleys our age.
GASP! She had the sex before marriage?!

Can't wait to here how the judgmental asshats who ***** and moan about this type of stuff will defend this one.
Originally Posted by legends
Um, I don't think it's being a judgemental asshat to think that 17 year olds shouldn't be having babies. Sarah believes in abstinance, that doesn't mean she was able to chain her teenager to the house and force her to have the same beliefs.
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Piper must be like Lindsay or Ashley - were male names, now given mostly to females. I did know one male Ashley in my high school class. He wasn't given a hard time for it, but I felt kind of sorry for him since there were several female Ashleys our age.
Originally Posted by MistressM.
Being all the names are Alaskan, I would imagine Piper (they make supercubs) is named for a puddle jumper, common in Alaska transportation.

ETA: I should say, the girl's names make sense. The boy's, not so sure. People go to Alaska to re-invent themselves. My own parents did in the 60's. I was named for the goddess of the hunt, my brother for "soldier". It reflects the perseverance of living in such a challenging climate. Odd names (for mainlanders) aren't so uncommon up there.

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GASP! She had the sex before marriage?!

Can't wait to here how the judgmental asshats who ***** and moan about this type of stuff will defend this one.
Originally Posted by legends
Um, I don't think it's being a judgemental asshat to think that 17 year olds shouldn't be having babies. Sarah believes in abstinance, that doesn't mean she was able to chain her teenager to the house and force her to have the same beliefs.
Originally Posted by NYCurlyGirly
You missed my point. Let's be real, if this was Biden's or Obama's teen daughter who got pregnant, the right would be going on and on about how those evil liberal beliefs lead to just that sort of thing. And , no, no one can chain their kids to the house, but it's wonderfully ironic how someone who insists that their biblical teachings prevent teen pregnancy and all other societal ills--and want to legally force those teachings on everyone else--would end up in this situation.
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