Palin's Daughter IS pregnant now...

it's wonderfully ironic how someone who insists that their biblical teachings prevent teen pregnancy and all other societal ills--and want to legally force those teachings on everyone else--would end up in this situation.
Originally Posted by legends
In fairness, it doesn't seem like Sarah Palin has made abstinence only education a personal crusade. When asked about it, she said she would support it, but her actual political legacy to now hasn't been defined in that realm, more about business ethics and reform. I'll agree that while this situation doesn't make her a hypocrite, it's ironic. I just think to some extent that may be putting words or actions in her mouth. Does she personally connect to her beliefs being beneficial...most likely. Does she believe in absolute terms it would prevent teenage pregnancy, etc...probably not. I understand not liking the idea that in the policy realm, she'll support abstinence only education, but we're assuming when we say she personally believes it'll just take care of the matter of unwanted pregnancies. She may also have her beliefs and value the fact that our political system isn't a dictatorship at the same time. I know I do. I could easily be giving her too much credit, but I think we could easily be discrediting her by assuming the opposite.
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Well, this just gets curioser and curiouser, don't it?
Originally Posted by preciousjewel76
Exactly.
There is a story here...
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Bristol...Is that a place name in the USA, out of curiosity?
Originally Posted by Piglet
We have a Bristol Road here in Flint-I think of it every time I hear her name.
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Bristol...Is that a place name in the USA, out of curiosity?
Originally Posted by Piglet
We have a Bristol Road here in Flint-I think of it every time I hear her name.
Originally Posted by Mar
There's a Bristol, WI, not far from here. When I hear the name I think of the Bristol Rennaisance Faire.
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it's wonderfully ironic how someone who insists that their biblical teachings prevent teen pregnancy and all other societal ills--and want to legally force those teachings on everyone else--would end up in this situation.
Originally Posted by legends
In fairness, it doesn't seem like Sarah Palin has made abstinence only education a personal crusade. When asked about it, she said she would support it, but her actual political legacy to now hasn't been defined in that realm, more about business ethics and reform. I'll agree that while this situation doesn't make her a hypocrite, it's ironic. I just think to some extent that may be putting words or actions in her mouth. Does she personally connect to her beliefs being beneficial...most likely. Does she believe in absolute terms it would prevent teenage pregnancy, etc...probably not. I understand not liking the idea that in the policy realm, she'll support abstinence only education, but we're assuming when we say she personally believes it'll just take care of the matter of unwanted pregnancies. She may also have her beliefs and value the fact that our political system isn't a dictatorship at the same time. I know I do. I could easily be giving her too much credit, but I think we could easily be discrediting her by assuming the opposite.
Originally Posted by westcoastcurls
You make a good point. I just don't know enough about Palin's history to know exactly what she supports personally or professionally. It's a good reminder to me that I have my homework cut out for me to find out who believes in what, and how they have vote/supportes various legislation (sp?) Thanks.
Well, this just gets curioser and curiouser, don't it?
Originally Posted by preciousjewel76
Exactly.
There is a story here...
Originally Posted by Mar

There certainly is. I just wonder what the real story is. And I hope we find out what it is before the election.
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Not so unusual though. The recidivism rate among birth moms who relinquish babies for adoption is astonishingly high...and even higher in those who weren't given much choice in relinquishing or not.

Just to play devil's advocate, but what is "5 months pregnant" anyway? No one in the medical world uses "months" because it's so inaccurate. Five months could mean 16-20 weeks, or it could mean 20-24 weeks. If Trig was born April 18, that's 19 weeks ago. It's possible for someone to be "5 months pregnant" in that timeframe.
Originally Posted by RedCatWaves
I will grant you that anything is possible and certainly stranger things have proven to be true, I still think the simpler explanation is more likely. That said, I will admit that I am not objective as I want to like Sarah Palin because of her reformer/take on the system/cut waste rep. Her daughter's pregnancy doesn't faze me, but I am neither Christian nor a social conservative so my reaction might not be representative. Anyway, this certainly is turning out to be an interesting election! Oh, and UK members can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think "bristols" is cockney slang for boobs
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It's weird that the Palin's are presenting this news as a way to show the other rumor isn't true. That shows they feel the need to do that. If it weren't true, they probably wouldn't be acting on that need, but rather just not dignifying because it's ludicrous. After all there would be people like doctors, etc., who knew the truth. If you're going to dignify it, why use this.

That's aside from the fact that it doesn't actually prove she didn't carry Trig.




Her daughter being pregnant doesn't make me consider her a hypocrite. A person is a hypocrite when their own actions don't match their words. What does bother me is if the rumor that Trig is Bristol's is true (and the more things considered, there is nothing that really defies the suggestion, but there's more suspicious material to go off of to strengthen the rumor). That would bother me because it's dishonest and unethical.

Someone who purports to have Christian values (as long as she still believes in democracy and will let the people decide) and promotes those values having a pregnant teenage daughter isn't a hypocrite. If she has publicly condemned extramarital affairs and has one of her own, that's hypocrite material.
Originally Posted by westcoastcurls
I totally agree with this. Maybe her mother did try and teach her that she shouldn't have sex before getting married, but teenagers are stupid by nature. Now Bristol will learn that her actions have consequences. You cannot blame her mother or conservatives for holding a certain belief just because some people who claim to hold those beliefs go against them. Plus now she's trying to do what she thinks it right, it's pretty brave for a 17 year old to do.
Originally Posted by curlygirlyme
That's a whole lot of conjecture, there. Heart-tugging stories aside, the part of abstinence-only sex education that's an issue for most of us who are against it is the "only" aspect of it. Proponents of it believe that the only thing about sex that should be taught in schools is that it shouldn't be engaged in before marriage, as per most religious views. Not the biology of it, not the facts about STDs, not a balanced representation of possible other viewpoints, not how to prevent pregnancy. (Which not only does teenagers a disservice in their present, but leaves them as woefully ignorant adults later.)

And when a high-profile advocate of abstinence-only sex education ends up with a pregnant teenage daughter, it may not be hypocritical but it is absolutely, deliciously, ironic.
Originally Posted by Koukla72
thanks for writing this! this is what i was trying to say in my earlier post. BIRTH CONTROL WORKS, and so does sex ed!! to have it my way or the highway is irresponsible! people are having sex and need access to std testing, birth control options and yes, if it comes down to it abortion.

faith-based initiative or what have you that only want to fund organizations that preach their views of abstinence only is just not going to work.
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Here's a 2006 questionnaire answered by Pallin:

2006 Gubernatorial Candidate Questionnaire
The following questionnaire was sent to all candidates for Governor with their responses listed in the order we received them.
SP = Sarah Palin (R )

1. Complete the sentence by checking the applicable phrases (you can check more than one).
Abortion should be:
Banned throughout entire pregnancy.
Legal to save the life of the mother.
Legal in case of rape and incest.
Legal if the baby is handicapped.
Legal if the baby has a genetic defect.
Legal in the first trimester.
Legal in the second trimester.
Legal in the third trimester.
Other:__________________

SP: I am pro-life. With the exception of a doctor’s determination that the mother’s life would end if the pregnancy continued. I believe that no matter what mistakes we make as a society, we cannot condone ending an innocent’s life.

2. Will you support the right of parents to opt out their children from curricula, books, classes, or surveys, which parents consider privacy-invading or offensive to their religion or conscience?
SP: Yes. Parents should have the ultimate control over what their children are taught.

3. Will you support funding for abstinence-until-marriage education instead of for explicit sex-education programs, school-based clinics, and the distribution of contraceptives in schools?
SP: Yes, the explicit sex-ed programs will not find my support.


4. Will you support efforts to raise or lower the mandatory age of education? Why or why not?
SP: No, again, parents know better than government what is best for their children.

5. Will you support an effort to expand hate-crime laws?
SP: No, as I believe all heinous crime is based on hate.

6a. Do you support the expansion of gambling in Alaska?
SP: No, in so many cases, gambling has shown ill effects on families and as Governor I would not propose expansion legislation.

6b Would you sign any bills that expand gaming in our state?
SP: No.

7. Do you support statewide restrictions on the use of eminent domain to transfer property from one private owner to another?
SP: Yes.

8. Do you support parental choice in the spending of state educational dollars?
SP: Within Alaska law, I support parents deciding what is the best education venue for their child.

9. Do you support legislation requiring labor unions to obtain permission from their members before using dues for political purposes?
SP: Yes, unions represent their workers and as such, should be accountable to them

10. Do you support the Alaska Supreme Court’s ruling that spousal benefits for state employees should be given to same-sex couples? Why or why not?
SP: No, I believe spousal benefits are reserved for married citizens as defined in our constitution.

11. Are you offended by the phrase “Under God” in the Pledge of Allegiance? Why or why not?
SP: Not on your life. it was good enough for the founding fathers, good enough for me and I’ll fight in defense of our Pledge of Allegiance.

12. In relationship to families, what are your top three priorities if elected governor?
SP: 1. Creating an atmosphere where parents feel welcome to choose the venues of education for their children.
2. Preserving the definition of “marriage” as defined in our constitution.
3. Cracking down on the things that harm family life: gangs, drug use, and infringement of our liberties including attacks on our 2nd Amendment rights.
So, yes, she is against any sort of real sex education.

Oh, and did you guys know that the founding fathers wrote "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance?
Eres o te haces?
Someone asked a question tonight: Why would her mother, knowing that the news would put the daughter in the spotlight, accept the VP nod? Parents shouldn't put their lives on hold for their kids, but were there other options? She had to know that it wouldn't stay private.
Edited due to a cyberstalker. Sorry, guys.

Last edited by Koukla72; 02-19-2009 at 02:25 AM.
I was definitely being facetious.
Eres o te haces?
Oh, and did you guys know that the founding fathers wrote "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance?
Originally Posted by legends
Not sure if you're being facetious, but they didn't.
Originally Posted by Koukla72

Ain't too bright, is she? Everyone knows that the Pledge didn't show up til much later, and the "under god" part was part of our propaganda against communism in the 50's. I'm rather shocked that she didn't know that.
Oh, and did you guys know that the founding fathers wrote "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance?
Originally Posted by legends
Yeah, I was going to comment on that. If she's so willing to fight for the words of the founding fathers, it would behoove her to find out what their words were in the first place.
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... Oh, and UK members can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think "bristols" is cockney slang for boobs
Originally Posted by Ella
Yeah, my DH just told me this! ***snort***
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Hmm..yes it's ironic but not surpising(or hypocritical) when you have super conservative parents. I know this from personal experience.

And how convenient that she announced this during Gustav.
Here's a 2006 questionnaire answered by Pallin:

...

3. Will you support funding for abstinence-until-marriage education instead of for explicit sex-education programs, school-based clinics, and the distribution of contraceptives in schools?
SP: Yes, the explicit sex-ed programs will not find my support.

...
So, yes, she is against any sort of real sex education.
Originally Posted by legends
To be fair, the way that is worded is a little tricky. I absolutely believe in sex education beyond abstinence-only, but I don't think there should be school-based clinics or distribution of contraceptives in schools. There's a lot of compromise between those two extremes.
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Oh, and UK members can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think "bristols" is cockney slang for boobs
Originally Posted by Ella
There is a strip joint near here called "Bristols." That explains it I guess.
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i keep hearing on cnn that palin shouldn't have accepted vp because her daughter is pregnant and because she has a new baby. i think that is wrong and totally sexist. there is a father who can take responsibility of the baby and their daughter. nuff said.

(i do think she should've spent more time at home with her newborn but that is different, imo)
Here's a 2006 questionnaire answered by Pallin:

2006 Gubernatorial Candidate Questionnaire
The following questionnaire was sent to all candidates for Governor with their responses listed in the order we received them.
SP = Sarah Palin (R )

1. Complete the sentence by checking the applicable phrases (you can check more than one).
Abortion should be:
Banned throughout entire pregnancy.
Legal to save the life of the mother.
Legal in case of rape and incest.
Legal if the baby is handicapped.
Legal if the baby has a genetic defect.
Legal in the first trimester.
Legal in the second trimester.
Legal in the third trimester.
Other:__________________

SP: I am pro-life. With the exception of a doctor’s determination that the mother’s life would end if the pregnancy continued. I believe that no matter what mistakes we make as a society, we cannot condone ending an innocent’s life.

2. Will you support the right of parents to opt out their children from curricula, books, classes, or surveys, which parents consider privacy-invading or offensive to their religion or conscience?
SP: Yes. Parents should have the ultimate control over what their children are taught.

3. Will you support funding for abstinence-until-marriage education instead of for explicit sex-education programs, school-based clinics, and the distribution of contraceptives in schools?
SP: Yes, the explicit sex-ed programs will not find my support.

4. Will you support efforts to raise or lower the mandatory age of education? Why or why not?
SP: No, again, parents know better than government what is best for their children.

5. Will you support an effort to expand hate-crime laws?
SP: No, as I believe all heinous crime is based on hate.

6a. Do you support the expansion of gambling in Alaska?
SP: No, in so many cases, gambling has shown ill effects on families and as Governor I would not propose expansion legislation.

6b Would you sign any bills that expand gaming in our state?
SP: No.

7. Do you support statewide restrictions on the use of eminent domain to transfer property from one private owner to another?
SP: Yes.

8. Do you support parental choice in the spending of state educational dollars?
SP: Within Alaska law, I support parents deciding what is the best education venue for their child.

9. Do you support legislation requiring labor unions to obtain permission from their members before using dues for political purposes?
SP: Yes, unions represent their workers and as such, should be accountable to them

10. Do you support the Alaska Supreme Court’s ruling that spousal benefits for state employees should be given to same-sex couples? Why or why not?
SP: No, I believe spousal benefits are reserved for married citizens as defined in our constitution.

11. Are you offended by the phrase “Under God” in the Pledge of Allegiance? Why or why not?
SP: Not on your life. it was good enough for the founding fathers, good enough for me and I’ll fight in defense of our Pledge of Allegiance.

12. In relationship to families, what are your top three priorities if elected governor?
SP: 1. Creating an atmosphere where parents feel welcome to choose the venues of education for their children.
2. Preserving the definition of “marriage” as defined in our constitution.
3. Cracking down on the things that harm family life: gangs, drug use, and infringement of our liberties including attacks on our 2nd Amendment rights.
So, yes, she is against any sort of real sex education.

Oh, and did you guys know that the founding fathers wrote "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance?
Originally Posted by legends
Did you see her answer to the hate crime question???

And I just don't get why she (or anyone else frankly) is so against gay marriage - what difference does it make??

And slot machines RUIN families?? I wonder if people in Las Vegas or Reno think so...

Oh, and I yelled out loud when I read the "under God" thing... Poor FH is trying to sleep.

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