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Old 09-01-2008, 10:20 PM   #81
 
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Is marriage defined in the Constitution? I didn't think it was but I am not Constitutional lawyer (like Barack Obama is hehe). Not trying to guano this thread with a gay marriage debate, I am just curious about Palin's response to that question.
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She was talking to an Alaskan news media outlet. I think when she said "our constitution", I think she meant Alaska's constitution. Many states have amended their constitution to stipulate that marriage is between a man and woman (which works for me).
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She was talking to an Alaskan news media outlet. I think when she said "our constitution", I think she meant Alaska's constitution. Many states have amended their constitution to stipulate that marriage is between a man and woman (which works for me).
OK thanks, that makes sense.
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Old 09-02-2008, 07:29 AM   #85
 
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She was talking to an Alaskan news media outlet. I think when she said "our constitution", I think she meant Alaska's constitution. Many states have amended their constitution to stipulate that marriage is between a man and woman (which works for me).
She was talking about the US constitution, because she said "it was good enough for our Founding Fathers".
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She was talking to an Alaskan news media outlet. I think when she said "our constitution", I think she meant Alaska's constitution. Many states have amended their constitution to stipulate that marriage is between a man and woman (which works for me).
She was talking about the US constitution, because she said "it was good enough for our Founding Fathers".
The founding fathers comment was in reference to the Pledge of the Allegience - inaccurately - which is a national issue. I still think she was talking about Alaska's constitution.
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She was talking to an Alaskan news media outlet. I think when she said "our constitution", I think she meant Alaska's constitution. Many states have amended their constitution to stipulate that marriage is between a man and woman (which works for me).
She was talking about the US constitution, because she said "it was good enough for our Founding Fathers".
The founding fathers comment was in reference to the Pledge of the Allegience - inaccurately - which is a national issue. I still think she was talking about Alaska's constitution.
Oh, with regard to gay marriage.. I thought we were still talking about the pledge. My mistake.
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I think if this was a 17 year old daughter of Obama, it would be a non-issue, but that's just IMO. To me I'd rather have someone in leadership who deals with things that come up, even if they aren't according to plan, rather than someone who chains their daughter up to keep her from having sex. Lets be honest here, if teenagers want to have sex, they're going to find a way, there's really no way to stop them. Also how would anyone know if she wasn't on birth control? Skipping one pill can get you pregnant, a condom breaking can get you pregnant. I think you also have to take into consideration that most kids usually rebel against their parents. Ever met any preacher's kids (no offense to any here) most I've met weren't goody goodies, most were pretty wild. I just think people fail to remember that she's a kid and just as likely to do any of the same things other 17 year old kids are doing.
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I think if this was a 17 year old daughter of Obama, it would be a non-issue, but that's just IMO. To me I'd rather have someone in leadership who deals with things that come up, even if they aren't according to plan, rather than someone who chains their daughter up to keep her from having sex. Lets be honest here, if teenagers want to have sex, they're going to find a way, there's really no way to stop them. Also how would anyone know if she wasn't on birth control? Skipping one pill can get you pregnant, a condom breaking can get you pregnant. I think you also have to take into consideration that most kids usually rebel against their parents. Ever met any preacher's kids (no offense to any here) most I've met weren't goody goodies, most were pretty wild. I just think people fail to remember that she's a kid and just as likely to do any of the same things other 17 year old kids are doing.


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I think if it were Biden's (since he's Palin's opponent) 17 year old child we'd be hearing even more about it as more evidence of an immoral liberal without values. But that's just my opinion.
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I don't think anyone even CARES that Palin's daughter is pregnant. What they care about is that Palin made this announcement to try to quell the rumors of her own pregnancy being faked. It just seems like Bristol is being thrown under the bus...and that ain't cool. Palin is sacrificing her own kid...the Dems aren't doing it.
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GASP! She had the sex before marriage?!

Can't wait to here how the judgmental asshats who ***** and moan about this type of stuff will defend this one.
Um, I don't think it's being a judgemental asshat to think that 17 year olds shouldn't be having babies. Sarah believes in abstinance, that doesn't mean she was able to chain her teenager to the house and force her to have the same beliefs.
You missed my point. Let's be real, if this was Biden's or Obama's teen daughter who got pregnant, the right would be going on and on about how those evil liberal beliefs lead to just that sort of thing. And , no, no one can chain their kids to the house, but it's wonderfully ironic how someone who insists that their biblical teachings prevent teen pregnancy and all other societal ills--and want to legally force those teachings on everyone else--would end up in this situation.
I completely agree Legends
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I can see why it seems like Bristol is being thrown under the bus to quell the rumor, but the truth would come out eventually (probably soon... here's what my belly looked like at 20 and 24 weeks), so why not now?

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http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=64876


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I don't think anyone even CARES that Palin's daughter is pregnant. What they care about is that Palin made this announcement to try to quell the rumors of her own pregnancy being faked. It just seems like Bristol is being thrown under the bus...and that ain't cool. Palin is sacrificing her own kid...the Dems aren't doing it.
Agree and agree
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"Let me be a clear as possible: I have said before and I will repeat again, I think people's families are off limits," Obama said, "and people's children are especially off limits.

"This shouldn't be part of our politics," he continued, "It has no relevance to Gov. Palin's performance as governor, or her potential performance as a vice president.

"And so I would strongly urge people to back off these kinds of stories," he said. "You know my mother had me when she was 18, and how a family deals with issues and, you know, teenage children, that shouldn't be the topic of our politics and I hope that anybody who is supporting me understands that's off limits."
I respect Obama for taking the high road, but I'm more than willing to bet that if this were one of his daughters that was 17, knocked up, and unwed, there would be no stopping the right wing Christian folks from screaming from the roof top about he and his family's moral values.

Sorry but this just screams DOUBLE STANDARD!!!
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I don't really care about this. All it does is show that abstinence-only education is as worthless as teets on a boar.

What I do care about, however, is the fact that Palin was a member of an Alaskan secession organization. So we want someone in line for President of the United States who didn't even want her state to be part of the United States? Nevermind all the evidence of abuse of her powers and lies she has already told about her positions on Alaska issues already springing up.

The biggest concern, apart from the obvious insulting, pandering to the Hillary supporters not fully on board with Obama, when there were qualified Republican women out there is the fact that McCain and his people obviously have made a rash decision without properly vetting this woman and have piss poor judgment about key positions. Sound familiar?
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Woooo! I can post again! My password didn't work for a few days and it was killing me to be able to read this thread, but not reply to it...though that's probably for the best considering how events have turned.

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I don't really care about this. All it does is show that abstinence-only education is as worthless as teets on a boar.

What I do care about, however, is the fact that Palin was a member of an Alaskan secession organization. So we want someone in line for President of the United States who didn't even want her state to be part of the United States? Nevermind all the evidence of abuse of her powers and lies she has already told about her positions on Alaska issues already springing up.
Do you have a link to this? I'm interested in reading more about it.

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I seem to remember some fuss over a potential Supreme Court Justice...
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Tantrum: Or how about a FEMA director?

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpu...s-of-frin.html

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Well, whatever the story (or non-story) is behind this "revelation", I honestly feel for both Palin & her daughter. It can't be easy to deal with this, especially when someone is in the international spotlight. If Palin felt the need to put this out there to quell rumors of Trig's birth, then that's just sad. And I can't imagine being in Bristol's shoes....teen pregnancy carries enough stigma without the whole freakin' world knowing that YOU are a pregnant teen.
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