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Old 09-03-2008, 09:26 PM   #21
 
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I've said before, I'm middle class so either way I'm screwed. It's just who will screw me more and I think the McCain/Palin ticket will.


That's pretty much it...we're screwed either way. We can vote Dem and hope to god that Obama keeps his promises about affordable healthcare for everyone and alternative engergy, but he probably won't. Or, we can vote Rep and hope to god that McCain keeps his promises about energy or lowering taxes, but he probably won't. Either way, it's going to end up costing me money...a lot of it. This 2 year campaign was expensive.

One thing I do know...McCain will appoint anti-woman judges to the Supreme Court...and I can't vote for that. It always comes down to abortion. The rest is just fluff.
it would be nice to know what promises they were all going to actually keep.
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Meh - Not impressed. She spent too much time trying to slam Obama. The first 10 minutes were about her family - cute, endearing but I still don't know why she is prepared to be my VP...

You can tell she didn't write the speech. Seemed like canned language from McCain's talking points.
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"it's not just a community and it doesn't need an organizer" lol
I also loved that part earlier where she compared her job to Obama's.
That's the scary part. She doesn't understand the role of community and community organization in an urban area.
I didn't even know what a "community organizer" was until I heard Obama was one.
Now I do know what it is (they basically complain on behalf of special interest groups) and think it's completely expendible. Mayors are so much more important.
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"it's not just a community and it doesn't need an organizer" lol
I also loved that part earlier where she compared her job to Obama's.
That's the scary part. She doesn't understand the role of community and community organization in an urban area.
What Myradella said...
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She is a good speaker. I am enjoying it so far.

I need to find a link to Mr. Obama's speech because I missed it the other night.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQGsP8mnHsg


As for Mrs. Palin's speech. Eh? Honestly, I kept telling myself I was going to listen to her speech with an open mind. I listened, but nothing she said, convinced me that the McCain/ Palin ticket will benefit me anymore than the Obama/Biden ticket. I've said before, I'm middle class so either way I'm screwed. It's just who will screw me more and I think the McCain/Palin ticket will.
I'm leaning more towards the need for a third party. Write in Speckla on election day and I promise free hair care products for all curlies.
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She's cutesy, and folksy, and my son thinks she's got the hot librarian look going on, but, god, it's awful painful to watch her drivel.
Let me just say that I have seen a lot of women lately with the hair and the glasses. I have a feeling you're going to be seeing A LOT of people channel Palin.
Meh. Tina Fey did it first and better.
LOL - She really reminds me of her!
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"it's not just a community and it doesn't need an organizer" lol
I also loved that part earlier where she compared her job to Obama's.
That's the scary part. She doesn't understand the role of community and community organization in an urban area.

That was my thought too. In rural America, it may not "take a village" but in the urban areas, yes, we need community organizers, we need a community who watches out for each other's kids. There are too many bad outside influences, so many that sometimes we as parents are overwhelmed. Knowing there is another set of eyes and ears is a big help.
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The sad thing is that I don't like either one of them.
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I didn't even know what a "community organizer" was until I heard Obama was one.
Now I do know what it is (they basically complain on behalf of special interest groups) and think it's completely expendible. Mayors are so much more important.
More scariness - that the two positions (mayor vs. organizer) are mutually exclusive and that every community (thus its needs?) is the same.

But shouldn't she compare herself to Biden, not Obama?
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I saw that she introduced her hubby, little girl, son and baby. Did she introduce the expectant parents?
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That little Piper sure was cute when she licked her hand and slicked down the baby's hair. That put a huge smile on my face.
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"it's not just a community and it doesn't need an organizer" lol
I also loved that part earlier where she compared her job to Obama's.
That's the scary part. She doesn't understand the role of community and community organization in an urban area.
I didn't even know what a "community organizer" was until I heard Obama was one.
Now I do know what it is (they basically complain on behalf of special interest groups) and think it's completely expendible. Mayors are so much more important.
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Here's the definition of a community organizer (Obama) -Community organizers generally seek to build groups that are democratic in governance, open and accessible to community members, and concerned with the general health of the community rather than a specific interest group.

a mayor (Palin) - Under council-manager government, the mayor is a first among equals on the city council, analogous to a head of state for the city.

Anyone who thinks these two jobs are the same either doesn't know what a mayor is or doesnt know what a community organizer is.
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I saw that she introduced her hubby, little girl, son and baby. Did she introduce the expectant parents?

Only as one of the "3 girls in the middle, Bristol, Willow and Piper". She didn't introduce the BabyDaddyHockeyBoy at all. Track and Trig each got a special intro...seems like she's prouder of the boys, one for being a soldier, the other for being special needs. The girls were just incidental.
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Damn!! I think she did well. I thought it was a great speech. Since I don't agree with their position on many topics (abortion especially) I am not voting for them, but i liked her confidence. i think she came off as knowledgeable and she is definitely a fighter.
I think Obama needs to take off the gloves and fight harder, because they sure as hell are not pulling any punches.

I think she may appeal to those who are undecided, and don't see reproduction rights, conservation, etc ... as deal breakers. I need to see the debate and see how she does when things are not scripted, but right now I have to say am impressed
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Here's the definition of a community organizer (Obama) -Community organizers generally seek to build groups that are democratic in governance, open and accessible to community members, and concerned with the general health of the community rather than a specific interest group.

a mayor (Palin) - Under council-manager government, the mayor is a first among equals on the city council, analogous to a head of state for the city.

Anyone who thinks these two jobs are the same either doesn't know what a mayor is or doesnt know what a community organizer is.
Please understand that I'm not saying that the positions are the same. I'm saying that to say that a community organizer has no responsibilities suggest that SHE doesn't know or care what the role of community and community organization are in an urban area.
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and she is definitely a fighter.
I think Obama needs to take off the gloves and fight harder, because they sure as hell are not pulling any punches.

I think she may appeal to those who are undecided, and don't see reproduction rights, conservation, etc ... as deal breakers. I need to see the debate and see how she does when things are not scripted, but right now I have to say am impressed

This woman is no shrinking violet. She's no victim. She's smug and sarcastic and very very tough, and the Dems are going to have to tread very carefully attacking her, because the Reps are going to try to portray her as the poor-little-woman-victim, while she's biting the legs off the Dems.

It's going to be a tough 8 weeks.
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I felt she was very mechanical, and like others have said it definitely seemed like she didn't write the speech. However, I can see her appeal.

I didn't like how she slammed Obama every other sentence. She was acting kind of cocky, saying he's done nothing, when she hasn't quite done a ton. Obama really needs to slam them back. There's so much he can attack them on, but he's reluctant to do so. But the truth is that he needs to attack back to get votes - slamming others tends to gain more.
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I also loved that part earlier where she compared her job to Obama's.
That's the scary part. She doesn't understand the role of community and community organization in an urban area.
I didn't even know what a "community organizer" was until I heard Obama was one.
Now I do know what it is (they basically complain on behalf of special interest groups) and think it's completely expendible. Mayors are so much more important.
Community organizers are there to help/lead a community to work together to further social justice. They help make sure your voice is heard and seek to motivate the people to challenge policies that set barriers to social, political, and economic equality to a large segment of the population/community. Nothing is ever achieved without someone, somewhere uniting a group/community and demanding equality from government and society in general. i wish everyone in public service worked for this goal .
Elected officials (i.e. mayor, governor , president ) seek to further the agenda of the majority , community organizers, advocates, and leaders seek to give voice to those who may not have the political power to improve their situations without organizing and demanding change
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I think she wrote most of her speech because that's her speaking style. She's comfortable and thrives with the one line parallels/put downs, and the 'this is what we need'...and this is what you'll get if...' line of thinking.

I think the direction of it and the points to hit were something first determined by the entire team, and her speech was certainly polished and edited with help by them. The sometimes mechanical feel of it was probably due to careful recitation and preparation.

When McCain first announced her and she gave the speech she did then, I really liked a lot of what she had to say-mostly conveying philosophical stances on how government should work and what she's done towards those ends as Gov. of Alaska. Those alleged principles are pretty consistent with mine. The disheartening thing is I'm reading stuff...mostly from Alaskans, including critical Wasillans who are trying to put the record straight (hopefully) and convey what she's actually done and why. It's not as attractive looking from this perspective, and unfortunately the arguments seem to have merit.

Maybe there's compelling counter arguments to some of these seemingly genuine ones. Only thing for sure is it's going to take a lot of research to feel more comfortably informed.
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