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Old 09-04-2008, 11:56 AM   #81
 
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Great insight. Thanks for sharing it. I felt the same way while watching it. She told us very little, and it seemed quite rude for her to be so critical and rude, and even downright nasty, about the Dems when she is such an unproven entity herself. It went on way too long, she talked too slowly, and there was way too much unearned enthusiam from the crowd (honestly, a standing ovation before she spoke even one word? No bias in that crowd...) She stood there basking and basking in it, instead of starting to talk, which would have quieted them down. It gave the impression that she felt she was entitled to all the adoration.
I just watched this on youtube & the standing ovation lasted three minutes. It was a bit much to say the least. And people say Obama is looked upon too much like a celebrity.

She has a beautiful family & is a great speaker but I found her constant jabs at Obama off-putting. She should have used her first speech to talk about her goals & objectives as VP. I had to skip through it because her sarcasm got old fast.

I can't wait to see how she does in the debates.
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Old 09-04-2008, 12:05 PM   #82
 
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I agree with Badgercurls.

It was hard to watch because she seemed so angry and biting. None of the other candidates seemed angry.
Well the whole party is angry because they're scared. Did anyone else notice the stadium/hall wasn't even full?
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Although I disagree with her on some issues, such as abortion rights and teaching creationism in schools, I did like her speech last night. Yeah, there was some sarcasm, but I saw it as she is ready for this fight. Days before, the media was hounding her on not being qualified and being a bad mother...she is just as qualified as many other politicians who have run for VP (and some who ran for president). And about her being a bad mother?! Really? Then I guess most of us need to go back to the home where we belong, right? Ack! I hate that and especially when it seems to come from the "enlightened" media.

I don't agree with a lot of views from both sides of the party, but I thought the media (and some on this board, as well) were making personal blows against her. Of course, I doubt she knows about this board...LOL...but she's heard the "talking points" on the radio/tv news. And the views many people who claim to be "enlightened" have makes me now understand why sexism is alive and well, not only in the older generations but in our younger "more egalitarian" generations as well.

I liked her speech over all, but I did think she could've limited her criticism of Obama's credentials a little more. Not that she didn't have legitimate points, but it got a little old and tiring. I thought she did a great job selling herself with the agenda of showing others that she is ready for the job. I would've liked to hear more of her plans if they win...I look forward to the debates, that's for sure.

I don't agree with how Bush got us into Iraq, but to say the Republican party as a whole is for dividing us man vs. woman, black vs. white is a little extreme. If you look at Bush's cabinet, you will see a lot of diversity. Believe me, I 'm not defending Bush (as far as foreign policy), but I do think it's a tired old argument to automatically assume Republican = sexist, racist; Democrat= enlightened, egalitarian.

I would like to read up more about both presidential and both vice presidential candidates. I would like to see their voting record. I want to get a sense of what they are all about.

I liked that McCain is a moderate Republican...and I am concerned that Palin might have too extreme views...that's why I want to investigate her more. Someone having extreme views doesn't mean they act on those views in dealing with others. So, I'm just curious.

Regardless of her political stances, regardless of whether or not I will vote for McCain/her (as I'm still undecided), I thought she handled herself well over all and I feel more confident that she is ready to lead.

No I won't vote for ANY woman, but neither will I downplay her just because she is a woman. I do think that if she were a man, people would just be arguing about her political stance and not get so personal.

Whatever happens...we'll either have a white woman or a black man in the White House. And that is exciting.
And yes, I'm middle class, so I'll probably be screwed either way too....LOL
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Old 09-04-2008, 12:59 PM   #84
 
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I agree with Badgercurls.

It was hard to watch because she seemed so angry and biting. None of the other candidates seemed angry.
This is an area where I feel she is helping redefine what it means to be a woman in a powerful position.

Regardless of whether she ends up being VP or not, running puts her in a position of power only Geraldine F. ever had. Where men are allowed to speak seriously and be seen as good, strong men - she's a woman. Like it or not, societal views are different for her. By being a pathfinder for women in this role, she is likely to either be seen as angry/bitter or as too weak. Her position as Governor in Alaska has by FAR the highest approval ratings of any governor in the country, because in winning her party nomination she overthrew a corrupt governor - from the same party. I would imagine anger and bitterness was required in that election. Now she has to learn the right balance for a different election, on a much larger stage, with more people looking to criticize her.

I still don't like her policies, and still don't want to vote for her. But that doesn't mean I can't see why she'd be coming across wrong. I know my instant perception of her has changed some from making myself really reflect on it. I instantly looked down on her for wanting to run with a 4 month old child. But I wouldn't have looked down on Obama for the same, so I'm trying to adjust that thinking. I'm trying very hard to only judge based on what I think of her policies, and observe the rest of how she's perceived, because it's fascinating - just like how Obama's perceived. I think in both their cases, the negativity really is enlightening and at times very, very disappointing. (I'm talking about media portrayal, not board members. She DID sound angry - but some of the media is sure to twist it to make her sound like a a "typical irrational woman" or something.)
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I instantly looked down on her for wanting to run with a 4 month old child.
My husband brought this up too--basically asking me if I thought her plate was too full to run. Then in his usual way, he likened it to a CEO with 5 kids (one infant) runninga business. Is it too much?

I asked him if he would have thought any of this if she were a man and he admitted that he wouldn't. We got into a discussion on how he is holding two (theoretical) people to different standards based on gender. He even prefaced the discussion saying he is supportive of working moms (I hope so) and would be supportive of a woman as president (again, I hope so), but it came out that he really believes the mother should stick close to her kids, especially in the first 2 years of that child's life. I think if the other parent can handle it, then what is the big deal? Obviously he has some ingrained ideas. I told him to change his thinking, especially as a father to a daughter.

I can honestly say I am not using parenting as a measure to judge her as a candidate.

Back to the topic, I was underwhelmed by her (and her speech) for many of the reasons already stated.
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I asked him if he would have thought any of this if she were a man and he admitted that he wouldn't. We got into a discussion on how he is holding two (theoretical) people to different standards based on gender. He even prefaced the discussion saying he is supportive of working moms (I hope so) and would be supportive of a woman as president (again, I hope so), but it came out that he really believes the mother should stick close to her kids, especially in the first 2 years of that child's life. I think if the other parent can handle it, then what is the big deal? Obviously he has some ingrained ideas. I told him to change his thinking, especially as a father to a daughter.

ITA. I like that I had to check myself, and have been able to work on rearranging some preconceptions. I have long said I would love to have a house husband if I ever get married, as I will have kids someday. Yet here I was flying in the face of all the equality I've tried to claim I want, making an unfair judgment based upon her gender.

For that, I especially enjoy that she is a woman running for VP. I just happen to dislike the fact she is there in part to satisfy the extreme religious right, with whom I disagree on almost every possible policy decision.
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I saw her speech on the news and she has an irritating voice. When she was introducing her family I thought the BabyDaddy looked as though he'd rather be anywhere but there.
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I saw her speech on the news and she has an irritating voice. When she was introducing her family I thought the BabyDaddy looked as though he'd rather be anywhere but there.
Yea babydaddy's expression was annoying.
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I instantly looked down on her for wanting to run with a 4 month old child.
My husband brought this up too--basically asking me if I thought her plate was too full to run. Then in his usual way, he likened it to a CEO with 5 kids (one infant) runninga business. Is it too much?
We are all comparing her to CEO and powerful jobs. What about the poor single (or not single) mom who works 2-3 crap jobs just to make ends meet. Heck, she for sure doesn't get to bring her kids to work, or have a nanny, and yet is praised for providing and working hard for her family.
I have no issues with her having small children at home.
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I instantly looked down on her for wanting to run with a 4 month old child.
My husband brought this up too--basically asking me if I thought her plate was too full to run. Then in his usual way, he likened it to a CEO with 5 kids (one infant) runninga business. Is it too much?
We are all comparing her to CEO and powerful jobs. What about the poor single (or not single) mom who works 2-3 crap jobs just to make ends meet. Heck, she for sure doesn't get to bring her kids to work, or have a nanny, and yet is praised for providing and working hard for her family.
I have no issues with her having small children at home.
Me either. If we put limits like that on other women, then we're buying into the crap that you can't have a successful career and a family and that's just not true.
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I instantly looked down on her for wanting to run with a 4 month old child.
My husband brought this up too--basically asking me if I thought her plate was too full to run. Then in his usual way, he likened it to a CEO with 5 kids (one infant) runninga business. Is it too much?
We are all comparing her to CEO and powerful jobs. What about the poor single (or not single) mom who works 2-3 crap jobs just to make ends meet. Heck, she for sure doesn't get to bring her kids to work, or have a nanny, and yet is praised for providing and working hard for her family.
I have no issues with her having small children at home.

I agree, who provides child care for her is her problem. Just like with me, as long as her mind is on work,when she's at work, she could have 10 kids including triplets for all I care.
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Heh...they're going to pay bigtime for that gaff.
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My husband brought this up too--basically asking me if I thought her plate was too full to run. Then in his usual way, he likened it to a CEO with 5 kids (one infant) runninga business. Is it too much?
We are all comparing her to CEO and powerful jobs. What about the poor single (or not single) mom who works 2-3 crap jobs just to make ends meet. Heck, she for sure doesn't get to bring her kids to work, or have a nanny, and yet is praised for providing and working hard for her family.
I have no issues with her having small children at home.
Me either. If we put limits like that on other women, then we're buying into the crap that you can't have a successful career and a family and that's just not true.

The fact that this woman has 5 children is a complete non-issue for me. The fact that she is proposing putting big gov't in charge of bedrooms and women's bodies has a much larger impact. If she doesn't want her life scrutinized, maybe she oughtta not butt into other people's lives.
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Heh...they're going to pay bigtime for that gaff.
Oh yeah, everyone's so scared of all the "community organizers" out there
"to defend their work organizing Americans who have been left behind by unemployment, lack of health insurance and the national housing crisis."
So let me get this straight, their work consists of "organizing" people? Our tax dollars pay these people?
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Heh...they're going to pay bigtime for that gaff.
Oh yeah, everyone's so scared of all the "community organizers" out there
"to defend their work organizing Americans who have been left behind by unemployment, lack of health insurance and the national housing crisis."
So let me get this straight, their work consists of "organizing" people? Our tax dollars pay these people?

Your tax dollars? You have a job?
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A couple of things. She's not a great speaker, but she's pretty good and gifted more than most politicians and will improve.

She needs to cut down on the snark. At some point, she just started to come across as angry and hateful, and while that might play with your base, I cannot imagine that would play well with independents.

I hope she doesn't plan on getting a lot of votes of people who work for charities after the "community organizer" comment. It's one thing to say that the job of mayor and organizer are similar, but it's generally not a good idea to tell a whole group of people that they don't have real jobs with real responsibilities.

Also, why does she complain about the media talking about her family, when that is the majority of what she does?
She spent the first 10 mins talking about her family and said little tidbits here and there, that was hardly the majority of her speech.
You're right. Ten minutes wasn't a majority or 50.0000000001%. It was merely 33.333333%.
Which would be less time than Michelle Obama spent talking about her family...mainly her brother who i couldn't care less about.
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Heh...they're going to pay bigtime for that gaff.
Oh yeah, everyone's so scared of all the "community organizers" out there
"to defend their work organizing Americans who have been left behind by unemployment, lack of health insurance and the national housing crisis."
So let me get this straight, their work consists of "organizing" people? Our tax dollars pay these people?

Your tax dollars? You have a job?
Yeah. I help pay for the money you collect every month.
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Oh yeah, everyone's so scared of all the "community organizers" out there
"to defend their work organizing Americans who have been left behind by unemployment, lack of health insurance and the national housing crisis."
So let me get this straight, their work consists of "organizing" people? Our tax dollars pay these people?

Your tax dollars? You have a job?
Yeah. I help pay for the money you collect every month.

Poor you...I'm just sitting back comfy as a welfare queen while you slave away at McDonalds.
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Your tax dollars? You have a job?
Yeah. I help pay for the money you collect every month.

Poor you...I'm just sitting back comfy as a welfare queen while you slave away at McDonalds.
Oh no, you deserve it! Society has put such a burden on you that you dont need to work for your money.
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