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Old 09-04-2008, 04:10 PM   #1
 
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Ok, I am aware I am being a Polyanna in starting this post. My *hope* is we can keep it very civil and actually follow through with my idea... but I'm sure it'll be interesting, at least.

I have a theory that if we kept end goals in mind, and just debated how to reach them, we would have very different discussions than the finger pointing we see in the political scene. I think some of that is inevitable in politics, because each side is trying to win a contest for the public's vote. None of us are trying to win election, so let's see if we can focus on what we'd like to see.

A few examples:
Good, safe education - for those who are rich AND poor, and the infrastructure to allow kids to grow up truly knowing they can be/do whatever they want, only held back by talent.

Women's education about their bodies. Regardless of *when* it happens, most women will have sex at some time. Pro-life or pro-choice, most of us seem to agree that women should at least be knowledgeable about what is happening with their own bodies, when they are and aren't fertile, what happens when they're pregnant, etc.

Food and shelter for ALL children. As the supposedly richest country in the world, it is shameful that any of our own children go to bed with an empty tummy, go to school with an empty tummy, get rained on during the night, only have dirty, holey clothing to wear, etc. There should be HEALTHY food available, too - not just overly processed crap.

Medical care for all who need it. While we may not want universal healthcare, I think most of us would agree that no cancer patient who can be cured should go untreated, or any other different kind of disease/illness. Simple preventative medicine can help so much, too.


I can think of a lot more, but am interested to see what other people come up with.
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Old 09-04-2008, 04:20 PM   #3
 
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More even distribution of wealth. I'm not talking communism and I'm not even sure it's really possible. But it boggles me that actors and athletes get jabillions of dollars while many doctors can barely afford their insurance.

I know entertainers' salaries largely depend on us, the public, and ticket sales. But I'm not entirely averse to salary caps for them. There's enough money floating around to pay actors as much as $20 million basically for talking and playing make-believe; there should not be a single homeless or impoverished person in the entire US.
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Old 09-04-2008, 04:24 PM   #4
 
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I totally agree with education and better healthcare for all. As a healthcare worker, I see first hand the effects that lack of insurance and access to proper healthcare can have on people.
I remember reading a quote somewhere that said,
"If you think education is expensive, try ignorance"
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We should agree to disagree on certain issues without it getting down to personal barbs at the poster.
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If you cannot afford to support yourself (home, food, medical) then you cannont afford to support a child.
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Education, education, education. I wonder what our world would be like if everyone were well-educated.
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Adding on to NetG's list and to Starrwithoutnite.
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Basically everything in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights
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I think we can agree that there are very few posters who actually intend to hurt others here. Some of the regulars like to write in a brusque style, and it's really easy to misinterpret intentions over the internet. Also, it's kind of part of the board culture to occasionally rag on other posters. However, most posters still want to be basically civil. I think that keeping this in mind might make the board a happier place all around.
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It all sounds great and I certainly don't mean to be negative but some of those things are up to us.
I think that parents of disipline problem kids should find another way to educate their kids. I'm sorry if it sounds rough but if you can't behave properly then the many shouldn't have to suffer for the few.
Women and men can be more educated about their bodies. We have the internet at our disposal. There are many books available to educate us.
I most certainly agree w/ you on the food issue. Our government is doing a crappy job w/ the food they allow into this country and what they allow companies to sell to us. My grocery bill is ridiculous b/c I shop at the natural food store and still have to read ingredients. It's a luxury I can barely afford. I didn't grow up w/ that luxury. We had to try and make it on a few boxes of spaghetti, a few tomatoes, and a can of black olives for a few days until payday.
I know this may be TMI but I don't want anybody to think that I'm speaking from anywhere but experience. I used to wrap toilet paper around my undies b/c we couldn't afford anything else.
It was only by the grace of God that $8.50 took care of 4 people.
That's how a part of my life was. It's how some of my family live to this day. They're comfortable w/ that life. I'm a firm believer in the fact that people appreciate what they work for more than things that are given to them.
Sorry about the soapbox. I'm really not trying to be negative or flip. I just don't think that we should expect our government to be responsible for our every need.
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I think we can agree that there are very few posters who actually intend to hurt others here. Some of the regulars like to write in a brusque style, and it's really easy to misinterpret intentions over the internet. Also, it's kind of part of the board culture to occasionally rag on other posters. However, most posters still want to be basically civil. I think that keeping this in mind might make the board a happier place all around.
I'll agree and add that we have one or two that should have been banned by now.
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"I'm a firm believer in the fact that people appreciate what they work for more than things that are given to them."

I wholeheartedly agree with this.
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And I think we can agree that history has been made in the last two weeks...which is pretty cool and hard to see it happening in any other nation on earth.
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I think we can agree that there are very few posters who actually intend to hurt others here. Some of the regulars like to write in a brusque style, and it's really easy to misinterpret intentions over the internet. Also, it's kind of part of the board culture to occasionally rag on other posters. However, most posters still want to be basically civil. I think that keeping this in mind might make the board a happier place all around.
I'll agree and add that we have one or two that should have been banned by now.
Yes, agreed!
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And I think we can agree that history has been made in the last two weeks...which is pretty cool and hard to see it happening in any other nation on earth.
Actually, we're behind on this one so I'll have to disagree on the latter half of your sentence. We are far from the first nation to have a woman or racial minority on the ticket or actually in highest office.
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I hope you don't mind if I chime in-even though I live in the uk so some things will be different anyway!

I think there should be more money spend on healthcare (instead of wasting billions on the stupid olympics! Soz-know this doesn't actually count for most people on here! I really shouldn't get started on that or I wont ever stop!) Especially on maternity wards - leaving a woman to give birth on her own because there aren't enough nurses/midwifes around is unacceptable.

I agree with more education on our bodies (for both sexes). The sex education system is poor here.

Better education in general - schools are failing our children at most levels. It is also disgraceful that a person ends up with 25,000 debt after university.

Better respect and care for the elderly. Stop closing care homes and start feeding more money into them.

Scrap inheritance tax-why the hell should the government just get to take what they want when by rights a person who saved and worked hard all their lives should be able to give that money to their loved ones.
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It all sounds great and I certainly don't mean to be negative but some of those things are up to us.
I think that parents of disipline problem kids should find another way to educate their kids. I'm sorry if it sounds rough but if you can't behave properly then the many shouldn't have to suffer for the few.
Women and men can be more educated about their bodies. We have the internet at our disposal. There are many books available to educate us.
I most certainly agree w/ you on the food issue. Our government is doing a crappy job w/ the food they allow into this country and what they allow companies to sell to us. My grocery bill is ridiculous b/c I shop at the natural food store and still have to read ingredients. It's a luxury I can barely afford. I didn't grow up w/ that luxury. We had to try and make it on a few boxes of spaghetti, a few tomatoes, and a can of black olives for a few days until payday.
I know this may be TMI but I don't want anybody to think that I'm speaking from anywhere but experience. I used to wrap toilet paper around my undies b/c we couldn't afford anything else.
It was only by the grace of God that $8.50 took care of 4 people.
That's how a part of my life was. It's how some of my family live to this day. They're comfortable w/ that life. I'm a firm believer in the fact that people appreciate what they work for more than things that are given to them.
Sorry about the soapbox. I'm really not trying to be negative or flip. I just don't think that we should expect our government to be responsible for our every need.
"That government is best which governs least."
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i agree as well. sometimes its hard to say this message without sounding like you don't care about other people.
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I think we can agree that there are very few posters who actually intend to hurt others here. Some of the regulars like to write in a brusque style, and it's really easy to misinterpret intentions over the internet. Also, it's kind of part of the board culture to occasionally rag on other posters. However, most posters still want to be basically civil. I think that keeping this in mind might make the board a happier place all around.
I'll agree and add that we have one or two that should have been banned by now.
Yes, agreed!
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