Not again. Please-not again

My boss is a fallen away catholic. I am not. He wants to discuss the 'evilness' of the catholic church, and pushes all the usual stupidity about how we 'worship Mary' and 'pray to statues'...worn out, tired, baseless statements that are far from original, and it pisses me. Never mind that we're WORK!

He blathers on about how he's looking for the truth and all this crap and what it boils down to is he's anticatholic and doesn't have enough time to spout the venom that he feels.

Which, okay, fine. He doesn't like the Church. But it's MY FAITH, OBVIOUSLY I believe it. He's my boss. We're not going to agree. Leave it alone. Stop BEATING, the horse is DEAD!

I was so pissed about it I was shaking.

I gotta learn to just let this stuff roll off. He's been jacked up by the big boss in PDx before...I don't want to have to do it again, cuz he'll probably get axed, but I really don't enjoy defending my faith to someone who's stupid enough to swallow all the hogwash that he has.

It's alot like trying to teach a pig to sing, you know? You get pissed and the pig gets annoyed.

I'm just not sure if I'm the pig or not.
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What a dolt. VERY inappropriate. Do you have human resources department?
No support from me...I think it's a ridiculous religion and harmful to women.
Man, that's rude.

Tell him it's not appropriate to discuss these things at work. Since the two of you disagree any discussion could get unnecessarily heated. He should be able to respect that.
No support from me...I think it's a ridiculous religion and harmful to women.
Originally Posted by RedCatWaves
While I am inclined to agree, it is still very unacceptable workplace behavior. Surely you can agree to that.

To the OP, if he doesn't respond to your requests, take it to HR.
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No support from me...I think it's a ridiculous religion and harmful to women.
Originally Posted by RedCatWaves
While I am inclined to agree, it is still very unacceptable workplace behavior. Surely you can agree to that.

To the OP, if he doesn't respond to your requests, take it to HR.
Originally Posted by redcelticcurls

True...it's not appropriate workplace conversation and could be construed as harrassment.
I agree with others - totally not ok. The fact I'm not Catholic, and don't "get" your beliefs since I don't agree doesn't mean you should be so disrespected and made to feel so uncomfortable in your workplace.
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No support from me...I think it's a ridiculous religion and harmful to women.
Originally Posted by RedCatWaves
Figured someone would have have something like that to say. Whatever.

I am gonna have to buck up and take it to the HR dept, except that it consists of his direct boss (very small company-my office consists of 5 people, and about 8 in PDx.)

It just makes me sad that he can't see we need to just agree to disagree and leave it alone, because in all other respects, he's a pretty good boss. Just a too much ambition, misdirected.

And a little blatant stupidity. I don't deal well with that.
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No support from me...I think it's a ridiculous religion and harmful to women.
Originally Posted by RedCatWaves
Figured someone would have have something like that to say. Whatever.

I am gonna have to buck up and take it to the HR dept, except that it consists of his direct boss (very small company-my office consists of 5 people, and about 8 in PDx.)

It just makes me sad that he can't see we need to just agree to disagree and leave it alone, because in all other respects, he's a pretty good boss. Just a too much ambition, misdirected.

And a little blatant stupidity. I don't deal well with that.
Originally Posted by MaybeWavy
Have you told him that the workplace is not the place to discuss religion? If so, then I would go to his boss. Yes, it would be sad if he got fired, but he needs to understand that not everyone will agree with him & his ideas should not make other people at work feel uncomfortable. You're there to work, not defend your beliefs.

I had a bible thumping manager once. He would drive me crazy. If I didn't agree with him, he would turn bright red in the face & start spewing out scriptures. I finally told him to do this on his off time & not to worry that I will be going to hell, in his opinion. I was there to do my work, not talk religion. This took place 10 years ago & I no longer work for him, but we still keep in touch. He just called me last night. We never talk religion.
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His behavior could be considered religious discrimination or harassment. Report it to his boss. Once the employer knows about his behavior, it has an obligation to stop it. If it doesn't, it could be subjected to a civil rights complaint (should you ever feel compelled to go that route). You shouldn't be harassed at work and he needs to knock it off before he gets himself and his employer in trouble.

Good luck!
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I dislike the catholic church intensely, but that is incredibly inappropriate at work. I agree that you should report him, or at least make it clear to him that you don't appreciate his remarks, and then report him if he continues.
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No support from me...I think it's a ridiculous religion and harmful to women.
Originally Posted by RedCatWaves
That's (I think) the only thing I have trouble with in this religion.

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Mary is worshiped?!

Statues are prayed to?!

But anyhow, yeah, whatever, he has no right to bring that into the workplace & harass you or anyone else about it.

Last edited by lazy loops; 09-06-2008 at 03:12 PM.
Is it possible to say, "There are some discussions not meant for the workplace." Then if it keeps up take it to management then?

Catholics do not worship Mary or statues. I am a cradle catholic who wandered away (to my detriment) for a while during college and for some time after. I tried other faiths including protestantism and eastern religions, but they just never "fit" or "felt right" for me. But I did learn there are similarities fundamentally, especially the concepts of grace, peace, and forgiveness that transend all religions or lack of them. That is what I believe in, and attending the catholic church is just the outer way I practice that. But pushing those things on other people I find great offense with.

I did find myself feeling really angry about the lot in life for the nuns in Rome though! GRRRRR......
I did find myself feeling really angry about the lot in life for the nuns in Rome though! GRRRRR......
Originally Posted by ajane


What is their terrible lot in life?

In the USA, nuns live a nice life. They have their room and board and education taken care of by the church during their active adult years, and when they get very old, they retire to private nursing homes run by the RC church, but which the US Gov't pays for, because every single one of them is on Medicaid. That's right...the RC church's nuns are on the taxpayer dole. Sweet deal for the RC church and the nuns are treated better than the average Medicaid nursing home resident.
I did find myself feeling really angry about the lot in life for the nuns in Rome though! GRRRRR......
Originally Posted by ajane


What is their terrible lot in life?

In the USA, nuns live a nice life. They have their room and board and education taken care of by the church during their active adult years, and when they get very old, they retire to private nursing homes run by the RC church, but which the US Gov't pays for, because every single one of them is on Medicaid. That's right...the RC church's nuns are on the taxpayer dole. Sweet deal for the RC church and the nuns are treated better than the average Medicaid nursing home resident.
Originally Posted by RedCatWaves
Yep. Especially when they don't pay taxes.
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The ones we encountered were maintaining the churches, working the gift shops, and very crabby.
Is it possible to say, "There are some discussions not meant for the workplace." Then if it keeps up take it to management then?

Catholics do not worship Mary or statues. I am a cradle catholic who wandered away (to my detriment) for a while during college and for some time after. I tried other faiths including protestantism and eastern religions, but they just never "fit" or "felt right" for me. But I did learn there are similarities fundamentally, especially the concepts of grace, peace, and forgiveness that transend all religions or lack of them. That is what I believe in, and attending the catholic church is just the outer way I practice that. But pushing those things on other people I find great offense with.

I did find myself feeling really angry about the lot in life for the nuns in Rome though! GRRRRR......
Originally Posted by ajane
Serious question, not snarky.

If one prays to Mary (as I interpet a hail Mary as a prayer to her) how is that not worship?
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What is their terrible lot in life?

In the USA, nuns live a nice life. They have their room and board and education taken care of by the church during their active adult years, and when they get very old, they retire to private nursing homes run by the RC church, but which the US Gov't pays for, because every single one of them is on Medicaid. That's right...the RC church's nuns are on the taxpayer dole. Sweet deal for the RC church and the nuns are treated better than the average Medicaid nursing home resident.
Originally Posted by RedCatWaves
Where are these private nursing homes? I'm curious because I'm sure some of the ladies at St. G's (the local convent) would be quite interested in them. (The ones taking care of the retired and elderly nuns in the convent, I mean...) Its interesting how they ALL do this but its such a secret that the nuns themselves know nothing about it.

Smells alot like a bull has been here.
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If one prays to Mary (as I interpet a hail Mary as a prayer to her) how is that not worship?
Originally Posted by redcelticcurls
The hail mary is actually a very biblical prayer...

"Hail Mary full of grace Blessed are you among women and blessed is the fruit of your womb" stated by the angel Gabriel at the anunciation...it's in the bible, should n't be a problem there, is there?

Holy mary mother of God (well, Jesus is God, she's his mom, no problem there, is there?)

Pray for us sinners (you can pray for me, right? Why can't she? She's in heaven, Christians believe in life after death, so not necromancy or anything like that, so no problem there, right?)

Now and at the hour of our death (seems reasonable...pray for me now, and when I'm dying...)

Worship is what you do for God.
Prayer and worship are different on many levels...prayer means to ask (I pray thee) whereas worship...that's a whole different game.

Clear as mud?

Ok, from about.com...not my fave but it'll do in a pinch

Many non-Catholic Christians believe that it is wrong to pray to the saints, claiming that our prayers should be directed to God alone. Some Catholics, responding to this criticism, have argued that we do not pray to the saints but with them.
Both groups, however, are confusing prayer with worship. True worship (as opposed to veneration or honor) does indeed belong to God alone, and we should never worship man or any other creature as we worship God. But while worship may take the form of prayer, as in the Mass and other liturgies of the Church, not all prayer is worship. When we pray to the saints, we’re simply asking them to help us, by praying to God on our behalf, or thanking them for having already done so.
Sort of like asking your mom to ask your dad if you can borrow the car, because your dads a little grouchy...
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Last edited by MaybeWavy; 09-06-2008 at 04:06 PM.

Where are these private nursing homes? I'm curious because I'm sure some of the ladies at St. G's (the local convent) would be quite interested in them. (The ones taking care of the retired and elderly nuns in the convent, I mean...) Its interesting how they ALL do this but its such a secret that the nuns themselves know nothing about it.

Smells alot like a bull has been here.
Originally Posted by MaybeWavy
I think that's what she means by private nursing homes. My high school had the convent and the nursing home on the same grounds, and while the nh isn't luxuriously by any means (I visited a few months back to see a former teacher, and I'd been there as a student), it's run by the church/convent(i.e. it's private), and all their needs are taken care of. Much better than many nursing homes I've seen.
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