Women are so difficult.

I think that everyones comments about the article are more funny then the actual article.
I thought it was funny, maybe some of the things aren't always true, but it is just a joke. I don't see the big deal. Some people take everything so seriously.
Women are difficult and so are men. There are plenty of these jokes about men also...who cares!
Speak for yourself. I loathe those emails. "Look, all women are fussy and love shoes!!! Men subsist entirely on fishing, football, boobies and beer!!!"

Honestly, they're rarely funny and always exploit stereotypes. Boring.
Originally Posted by MichelleBFT

Hear, hear! I say what I mean, and I mean what I say. I detest those anti-woman crap emails. All it needed was a line about PMS and women losing their minds once a month to be the total stereotype.
Originally Posted by RedCatWaves
Agreed. I certainly speak my mind as well and don't behave like that. That's a stereotypical and unfunny e-mail.
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I am loving this thread, guys.

And in all honesty, the title of the thread was meant to be sarcastic. I'm extremely tickled everyone is getting so bent out of shape about it.
Originally Posted by TK*
No one is bent out of shape... some people don't think your joke is funny and some think it is sexist and some think it is inaccurate. But enjoy your popcorn - I'm glad you're entertained.
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im just curious but when did the word "stereotype" come such negative connotations. is it b/c the media began linking it to racial profiling or has it always been that way?
Originally Posted by OBB
It was positive before?
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What I find most funny is that this has been posted several times before and seems to get different reactions each time. In this incarnation, pretty much everyone thought it was funny. Now, the OP is being accused of perpetuating gender stereotypes and next thing you know will be responsible for the current plight of women worldwide.

Perhaps it depends on who posts it?
*Poster formerly known as Bailey422*

Here's all you have to know about men and women: women are crazy, men are stupid. And the main reason women are crazy is that men are stupid. ~ George Carlin
No one is bent out of shape... some people don't think your joke is funny and some think it is sexist and some think it is inaccurate. But enjoy your popcorn - I'm glad you're entertained.
Originally Posted by Amneris
If no one was bent out of shape, this stupid thread topic wouldn't have so many angry responses, lol. Including yours. And I will enjoy my popcorn, lol. You guys are absolutely hilarious. "Foaming at the mouth" doesn't describe this, but it's the first phrase that comes to mind. Haha!

Again, Kaia, I'm beginning to think you're on to something.

What I find most funny is that this has been posted several times before and seems to get different reactions each time. In this incarnation, pretty much everyone thought it was funny. Now, the OP is being accused of perpetuating gender stereotypes and next thing you know will be responsible for the current plight of women worldwide.

Perhaps it depends on who posts it?
Originally Posted by Kaia
Oh yes...if only I was more popular...more likable...

*sigh* I'm not surprised the stones are flying.
I'm "TechKnockout" now.
I am loving this thread, guys.

And in all honesty, the title of the thread was meant to be sarcastic. I'm extremely tickled everyone is getting so bent out of shape about it.
Originally Posted by TK*
If there had actually been anything unique or original in that chain mail, I'd have gotten bent out of shape.
What I find most funny is that this has been posted several times before and seems to get different reactions each time. In this incarnation, pretty much everyone thought it was funny. Now, the OP is being accused of perpetuating gender stereotypes and next thing you know will be responsible for the current plight of women worldwide.

Perhaps it depends on who posts it?
Originally Posted by Kaia
Actually, you should look at my old thread again. Besides me, no one on this thread who thinks this joke isn't funny, thought it was funny before. I think you might need to go dig up another thread to make your point.

Since becoming a mother to two little girls, I've come to have little tolerance for these types of "jokes." If you look at the other thread I started about raising girls, having my daughters has shifted my perception about how society views women and how it views men. It's still a man's world, unfortunately. I've always known that, but now I'm a lot more sensitive to it. I have a big job ahead of me raising my daughters and I take it seriously. Putting individuals in a neat little box does no one any good.

If you ever have a daughter one day, you might change your mind about these jokes too.
I am loving this thread, guys.

And in all honesty, the title of the thread was meant to be sarcastic. I'm extremely tickled everyone is getting so bent out of shape about it.
Originally Posted by TK*
If the title of the thread was meant to be sarcastic, then it would have been helpful to indicate that.

I also find it interesting that you would enjoy this.



Germany Curly

Last Relaxer(Texturizer): Aug. 2005
BC: May 2006

If you couldn't tell, this is a subject that really interests me, and one that I've spent a lot of time studying. I'm happy to have the opportunity to discuss it, even if nobody reads it. And, while I tend not to care very much about message board posts, I think that this is the kind of thing that we should get bent out of shape over.

I object to chain mail on principle However, my real problem with the "women communicate indirectly" myth is that it is very widely believed to be true of women in general. And unfortunately, this stereotype has major, negative consequences for both women and men. For starters, it encourages us to call women who communicate directly "b*tchy." It also discourages some employers from hiring men for jobs that require tact. Of course, the list of consequences goes on and on.

In addition, the academic movement that spawned this kind of thinking was very reactionary and simplistic (although the movement that preceded it also shared those characteristics). On top of that, any academic article that compares men to women is going to be ridiculously misrepresented in popular media. Again, I'd be happy to be more specific in the unlikely event that anyone is interested.

I'm not generally against the use of stereotypes in humor. Even though we may not like it when we are stereotyped, I think we all find it funny when others are targeted, and maybe even think it's a little true. However, when the particular stereotype is something that is genuinely believed, it's not a laughing matter (very cheesy, I know).

The thing is, while a lot of women do some of these things, so do a lot of men. Furthermore, no one is just their gender. We are race, class, ethnicity, nationality, etc. Also, our behavior varies by context and situation. It's pretty uncommon to be able to pin some aspect of communication on gender alone.

Last edited by Eilonwy; 01-17-2009 at 07:33 AM.
If you couldn't tell, this is a subject that really interests me, and one that I've spent a lot of time studying. I'm happy to have the opportunity to discuss it, even if nobody reads it. And, while I tend not to care very much about message board posts, I think that this is the kind of thing that we should get bent out of shape over.

I object to chain mail on principle However, my real problem with the "women communicate indirectly" myth is that it is very widely believed to be true of women in general. And unfortunately, this stereotype has major, negative consequences for both women and men. For starters, it encourages us to call women who communicate directly "b*tchy." It also discourages some employers from hiring men for jobs that require tact. Of course, the list of consequences goes on and on.

In addition, the academic movement that spawned this kind of thinking was very reactionary and simplistic (although the movement that preceded it also shared those characteristics). On top of that, any academic article that compares men to women is going to be ridiculously misrepresented in popular media. Again, I'd be happy to be more specific in the unlikely event that anyone is interested.

I'm not generally against the use of stereotypes in humor. Even though we may not like it when we are stereotyped, I think we all find it funny when others are targeted, and maybe even think it's a little true. However, when the particular stereotype is something that is genuinely believed, it's not a laughing matter (very cheesy, I know).

The thing is, while a lot of women do some of these things, so do a lot of men. Furthermore, no one is just their gender. We are race, class, ethnicity, nationality, etc. Also, our behavior varies by context and situation. It's pretty uncommon to be able to pin some aspect of communication on gender alone.
Originally Posted by Eilonwy
As most stereotypes often are...



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Last Relaxer(Texturizer): Aug. 2005
BC: May 2006

im just curious but when did the word "stereotype" come such negative connotations. is it b/c the media began linking it to racial profiling or has it always been that way?
Originally Posted by OBB
I don't know either. Who's a linguist around here?
Originally Posted by PartyHair
I think I'm close enough. And I do have access to the Oxford English Dictionary.

1789, first usage: The method or process of printing in which a solid plate or type-metal, cast from a papier-mâché or plaster mould taken from the surface of a forme of type, is used for printing from instead of the forme itself.

1922: A preconceived and oversimplified idea of the characteristics which typify a person, situation, etc.; an attitude based on such a preconception. Also, a person who appears to conform closely to the idea of a type.

So, since stereotypes represent prejudice, I think it's pretty clear why that usage of the word has negative connotations.

Last edited by Eilonwy; 01-17-2009 at 07:46 AM.
What I find most funny is that this has been posted several times before and seems to get different reactions each time. In this incarnation, pretty much everyone thought it was funny. Now, the OP is being accused of perpetuating gender stereotypes and next thing you know will be responsible for the current plight of women worldwide.

Perhaps it depends on who posts it?
Originally Posted by Kaia
I don't think that's funny either - a lot of generalizations.
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No one is bent out of shape... some people don't think your joke is funny and some think it is sexist and some think it is inaccurate. But enjoy your popcorn - I'm glad you're entertained.
Originally Posted by Amneris
If no one was bent out of shape, this stupid thread topic wouldn't have so many angry responses, lol. Including yours. And I will enjoy my popcorn, lol. You guys are absolutely hilarious. "Foaming at the mouth" doesn't describe this, but it's the first phrase that comes to mind. Haha! .
Originally Posted by TK*

You seriously think these responses are angry and foaming at the mouth? Let me tell you, there are plenty of things that make me angry, but ignorant and non-funny jokes are not one of them. You obviously haven't seen real anger. One thing about it is it's not funny at all. But I'm glad you know so much about what is in my head and what I and others feel.
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I will add that the "Dance, puppets, dance!" routine isn't a very graceful defense.

I dunno if people are adding a bunch of exclamation points in their heads, but this has been a remarkably civil thread for this message board.
No one is bent out of shape... some people don't think your joke is funny and some think it is sexist and some think it is inaccurate. But enjoy your popcorn - I'm glad you're entertained.
Originally Posted by Amneris
If no one was bent out of shape, this stupid thread topic wouldn't have so many angry responses, lol. Including yours. And I will enjoy my popcorn, lol. You guys are absolutely hilarious. "Foaming at the mouth" doesn't describe this, but it's the first phrase that comes to mind. Haha! .
Originally Posted by TK*

You seriously think these responses are angry and foaming at the mouth? Let me tell you, there are plenty of things that make me angry, but ignorant and non-funny jokes are not one of them. You obviously haven't seen real anger. One thing about it is it's not funny at all. But I'm glad you know so much about what is in my head and what I and others feel.
Originally Posted by Amneris
Indeed, this is in no way an angry thread. This is a roll-your-eyes-and-state-your-dissent thread, which is a long, long way from angry.
"And politically correct is the worst term, not just because it’s dismissive, but because it narrows down the whole social justice spectrum to this idea that it’s about being polite instead of about dismantling the oppressive social structure of power.
Fun Fact: When you actively avoid being “PC,” you’re not being forward-thinking or unique. You’re buying into systems of oppression that have existed since before you were even born, and you’re keeping those systems in place."
Stolen.
What I find most funny is that this has been posted several times before and seems to get different reactions each time. In this incarnation, pretty much everyone thought it was funny. Now, the OP is being accused of perpetuating gender stereotypes and next thing you know will be responsible for the current plight of women worldwide.

Perhaps it depends on who posts it?
Originally Posted by Kaia
Actually, you should look at my old thread again. Besides me, no one on this thread who thinks this joke isn't funny, thought it was funny before. I think you might need to go dig up another thread to make your point.
Originally Posted by medussa
I thought Kaia was pointing out that when the same e-mail joke was previously posted, it got a positive response, even if the individual posters on these two threads were different. If people thought the old thread wasn't funny, they kept it to themselves and just didn't post at all. No one made accusations of perpetuating gender bias on the older thread.
What I find most funny is that this has been posted several times before and seems to get different reactions each time. In this incarnation, pretty much everyone thought it was funny. Now, the OP is being accused of perpetuating gender stereotypes and next thing you know will be responsible for the current plight of women worldwide.

Perhaps it depends on who posts it?
Originally Posted by Kaia
Actually, you should look at my old thread again. Besides me, no one on this thread who thinks this joke isn't funny, thought it was funny before. I think you might need to go dig up another thread to make your point.
Originally Posted by medussa
I thought Kaia was pointing out that when the same e-mail joke was previously posted, it got a positive response, even if the individual posters on these two threads were different. If people thought the old thread wasn't funny, they kept it to themselves and just didn't post at all. No one made accusations of perpetuating gender bias on the older thread.
Originally Posted by sarah42
Some of us didn't see that thread.
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If no one was bent out of shape, this stupid thread topic wouldn't have so many angry responses, lol. Including yours. And I will enjoy my popcorn, lol. You guys are absolutely hilarious. "Foaming at the mouth" doesn't describe this, but it's the first phrase that comes to mind. Haha! .
Originally Posted by TK*

You seriously think these responses are angry and foaming at the mouth? Let me tell you, there are plenty of things that make me angry, but ignorant and non-funny jokes are not one of them. You obviously haven't seen real anger. One thing about it is it's not funny at all. But I'm glad you know so much about what is in my head and what I and others feel.
Originally Posted by Amneris
Indeed, this is in no way an angry thread. This is a roll-your-eyes-and-state-your-dissent thread, which is a long, long way from angry.
Originally Posted by MichelleBFT
In fact, you could argue that the interpretation of these responses as angry actually proves the point: people balk when women state dissenting opinions clearly and directly. It's a fact. And I didn't park my sense of humor at the door in order to state it, nor am I angry.

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