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Old 01-23-2009, 10:56 AM   #121
 
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I wasn't implying that the goofy sitcom dad was a good thing, either. So not sure what that reaction was about.

People who continue to say sexist jokes (I usually give a pass if it's done in rare moments, only a few times around me) is a litmus test of someone I don't want to associate with.
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Old 01-23-2009, 05:16 PM   #122
 
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I wasn't implying that the goofy sitcom dad was a good thing, either.
Well, I certainly didn't infer that you thought it was a good thing. I guess I've seen too many message boards where people will seriously argue that Everybody Loves Raymond severely oppresses men, and that the show's existence means that misogyny doesn't exist anymore.

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Old 01-23-2009, 10:10 PM   #123
 
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I wasn't implying that the goofy sitcom dad was a good thing, either.
Well, I certainly didn't infer that you thought it was a good thing. I guess I've seen too many message boards where people will seriously argue that Everybody Loves Raymond severely oppresses men, and that the show's existence means that misogyny doesn't exist anymore.
I wouldn't say it oppresses men, but it certainly promotes a currently popular stereotype in which men babysit their own children and "report" to their wives.

I don't know what is so hard about having a couple in mainstream media that is an equal pairing, and why nearly every couple you see in movies and TV is completely out of balance.
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Old 01-24-2009, 08:50 AM   #124
 
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I wasn't implying that the goofy sitcom dad was a good thing, either.
Well, I certainly didn't infer that you thought it was a good thing. I guess I've seen too many message boards where people will seriously argue that Everybody Loves Raymond severely oppresses men, and that the show's existence means that misogyny doesn't exist anymore.
I wouldn't say it oppresses men, but it certainly promotes a currently popular stereotype in which men babysit their own children and "report" to their wives.

I don't know what is so hard about having a couple in mainstream media that is an equal pairing, and why nearly every couple you see in movies and TV is completely out of balance.
Because that wouldn't be funny, I'm guessing is the reason... I think it could be funny. The yuk yuks would just have to focus around something else, but I can't think of an example.

A lot of slapstick and gross-out humor hinges on the supposedly absurd. So producers (or whoever) pick the most extreme, different and unlikely combinations to set the stage for laughs, or at least what they believe the audience will see as extreme, different and unlikely.

For example, in "Something About Mary," when the mother got remarried, who was picked to play her husband? A Black dude. It was obviously supposed to be part of the humor, as if it were so crazy to have a mixed couple on screen. I was thinking, "Is that how we're supposed to see interracial marriage or the idea of a White marrying a Black? As a joke?"

I was offended.
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Well, I certainly didn't infer that you thought it was a good thing. I guess I've seen too many message boards where people will seriously argue that Everybody Loves Raymond severely oppresses men, and that the show's existence means that misogyny doesn't exist anymore.
I wouldn't say it oppresses men, but it certainly promotes a currently popular stereotype in which men babysit their own children and "report" to their wives.

I don't know what is so hard about having a couple in mainstream media that is an equal pairing, and why nearly every couple you see in movies and TV is completely out of balance.
Because that wouldn't be funny, I'm guessing is the reason... I think it could be funny. The yuk yuks would just have to focus around something else, but I can't think of an example.

A lot of slapstick and gross-out humor hinges on the supposedly absurd. So producers (or whoever) pick the most extreme, different and unlikely combinations to set the stage for laughs, or at least what they believe the audience will see as extreme, different and unlikely.

For example, in "Something About Mary," when the mother got remarried, who was picked to play her husband? A Black dude. It was obviously supposed to be part of the humor, as if it were so crazy to have a mixed couple on screen. I was thinking, "Is that how we're supposed to see interracial marriage or the idea of a White marrying a Black? As a joke?"

I was offended.
Yeah, you're right, Pheonix. They would have to actually hire talented writers who could create real humor and interest. It's easier to just rehash the same old lines/gags/plots that they know have worked in the past. It's always so great when something new comes out and you can tell they actually hired talented writers. Those jobs must be so few and far between for those poor folks. It must be frustrating to be a truly talented writer in TV/movies.
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there are talented writers and great movies. its just the average viewer doesnt SUPPORT them. there are plenty of great books, tv shows and indie movies that the population dont flock to and yet so many thinks theres no quality.
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Another reason I loved the Cosby show was the equality between the Huxtable couple. He was a doctor, she was a lawyer, and they both raised their children.
He was silly, but that was his personality...it wasn't because he was incompetent.

I think Growing Pains and Family Ties were positive too.

I can't think of any recent shows, not at the moment at least.
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I wouldn't say it oppresses men, but it certainly promotes a currently popular stereotype in which men babysit their own children and "report" to their wives.

I don't know what is so hard about having a couple in mainstream media that is an equal pairing, and why nearly every couple you see in movies and TV is completely out of balance.
Because that wouldn't be funny, I'm guessing is the reason... I think it could be funny. The yuk yuks would just have to focus around something else, but I can't think of an example.

A lot of slapstick and gross-out humor hinges on the supposedly absurd. So producers (or whoever) pick the most extreme, different and unlikely combinations to set the stage for laughs, or at least what they believe the audience will see as extreme, different and unlikely.

For example, in "Something About Mary," when the mother got remarried, who was picked to play her husband? A Black dude. It was obviously supposed to be part of the humor, as if it were so crazy to have a mixed couple on screen. I was thinking, "Is that how we're supposed to see interracial marriage or the idea of a White marrying a Black? As a joke?"

I was offended.
Yeah, you're right, Pheonix. They would have to actually hire talented writers who could create real humor and interest. It's easier to just rehash the same old lines/gags/plots that they know have worked in the past. It's always so great when something new comes out and you can tell they actually hired talented writers. Those jobs must be so few and far between for those poor folks. It must be frustrating to be a truly talented writer in TV/movies.

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