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Old 01-21-2009, 07:08 PM   #21
 
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So cute. Thanks for the pics. Does he make you a bumkin or just the people who bred him? Also, are you stupid to have paid $600 for him?

One of the best dogs we ever had was a German Shephard/Husky mix.
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if the obamas don't adopt the pup, do you think it will go to an animal shelter?
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If it does, then it will fall under ACCEPTABLE.
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So cute. Thanks for the pics. Does he make you a bumkin or just the people who bred him?

Probably the both of us


Also, are you stupid to have paid $600 for him?

I guess it depends who you ask
. I suppose I should be able to go down to my local shelter and get a dog just like him (yeah, I don't think so). I think I got a fair deal. I'm not sure how much it was to neuter him, which I had done after. Another 300 maybe? I completely do not remember.


One of the best dogs we ever had was a German Shephard/Husky mix.
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Yes, you are definitely going to Hades for that one. Why didn't you just adopt a mutt that was already made? Dang, you must have money to burn. Why not just get a cocker spaniel that bred with a cocker spaniel and spend 1000 dollars? Duh.

Bumpkins these days. Got no sense.
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Nobody's saying the dog is bad. I'm sure the puppy is wonderful! Definitely cute! I have a lab/pit and a German Shepherd/some kind of hound/who knows what else mixes. I love them to death! Does that mean I should have left them intact and bred them together to have a bunch of lab/pit/GSD/hound/mystery breed puppies? I'm sure the puppies would have been very sweet. The point isn't whether the dog is a good or bad dog, but rather if people should be rewarded for what they are doing. The Obamas have said they wanted a rescue dog. Well, this is basically the opposite of a rescue dog. It's enabling people who are irresponsibly breeding their pets by giving them more publicity. They have already received more publicity than they deserve. For the Obamas to take the dog would be completely going against what they said they wanted to do. And yes, if the puppy ends up going to the pound and someone adopts it, that is different. Like I said, the problem isn't the dog, it's the people that are trying to pawn it off on someone. I would love for a rescue organization to get some extra publicity when the president gets a dog from them. I would really hate to see these people benefit from their irresponsible pet ownership.
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That labradoodle is cute. Maybe they should rescue it from the horrible, irresponsible bumpkins.

My irresponsible mutt was $600. Cocker spaniel/poodle mix. Pics for cuteness.





Very cute dog, but the point seems to be flying right over your head.
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Nobody's saying the dog is bad. I'm sure the puppy is wonderful! Definitely cute! I have a lab/pit and a German Shepherd/some kind of hound/who knows what else mixes. I love them to death! Does that mean I should have left them intact and bred them together to have a bunch of lab/pit/GSD/hound/mystery breed puppies? I'm sure the puppies would have been very sweet. The point isn't whether the dog is a good or bad dog, but rather if people should be rewarded for what they are doing. The Obamas have said they wanted a rescue dog. Well, this is basically the opposite of a rescue dog. It's enabling people who are irresponsibly breeding their pets by giving them more publicity. They have already received more publicity than they deserve. For the Obamas to take the dog would be completely going against what they said they wanted to do. And yes, if the puppy ends up going to the pound and someone adopts it, that is different. Like I said, the problem isn't the dog, it's the people that are trying to pawn it off on someone. I would love for a rescue organization to get some extra publicity when the president gets a dog from them. I would really hate to see these people benefit from their irresponsible pet ownership.
Nicely put. ITA.
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So many assumptions are made about a family none of us know.
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We know it's the only surviving puppy and we know the dog's pregnancy was a "surprise." That's more than enough for me. I'm pretty sure no half-decent breeder has "surprise" litters.
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I'm on Kaia and RCW's side on this one. Well,....not sure I'd call them bumpkins or whatever, but that's a totally different thread : )
I very much expect Obama to "do the right thing" when it comes to selecting a dog. He really needs to get a rescue of some sort. I realize allergies are involved here, so his choices aren't so open. But it would have been great if he could have just gotten a lab mix, or a golden mix. Nothing that anyone could try to duplicate, and nothing that will increase the breeding of a particular breed.
His getting a dog is very different than the average Joe, or even famous person getting a dog. The whole world is watching. People will copy.
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I thought they had decided on a water spaniel...or did I just make that up??

BTW - anyone got a girl poodle that Casey can procreate with?? Oh...nevermind, he cannot make puppies.

Sorta guano - even though Casey is a purebred cocker spaniel with papers - they are limited papers because responsible breeders don't like people buying their dogs and breeding them with any other type of dog, including another cocker spaniel, and selling them. And I totally agree with that. So if I were a bumpkin and did let Casey do the wild thing - I could not sell his puppies with papers. By AKC standards even those puppies would be mutts.
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I personally find breeders of purebred dogs just as irresponsible (if not more so) as 'bumpkins' with their litters of mutts.
I've owned alot of dogs over the years, $1000 purebreds and free mutts, and one thing is for sure - they're all just dogs and we don't need more of them filling up the shelters and rescue programs.

That said, that is one adorable puppy and should make someone very happy.
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I personally find breeders of purebred dogs just as irresponsible (if not more so) as 'bumpkins' with their litters of mutts.
I've owned alot of dogs over the years, $1000 purebreds and free mutts, and one thing is for sure - they're all just dogs and we don't need more of them filling up the shelters and rescue programs.

That said, that is one adorable puppy and should make someone very happy.
There are some, sure, but I have to disagree that all of them are irresponsible. No reputable breeder wants his line of dogs weakened, etc by bad breeding. The breeder I got Casey from sells the occasional dog as a pet. They are not in the business of selling their dogs as pets. The majority of their dogs are show/breeding quality dogs.

I totally support dog rescues and the local humane society but I also think there is nothing wrong with buying a purebred dog from a reputable breeder (and by that I mean do your research) if that is your choice.
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I personally find breeders of purebred dogs just as irresponsible (if not more so) as 'bumpkins' with their litters of mutts.
I have to disagree there, although I think it's important to point out that having papered dogs does NOT make a responsible breeder. A responsible breeder will health test any dogs they breed. They will select them carefully to not over-accentuate any particular traits in the offspring. The puppies will be screened for conditions specific to the breed. Although a puppy may cost a lot, they're not making much, if any, profit because the puppies have gone to the vet multiple times and gotten all age-appropriate shots and treatments. They will generally have homes for the puppies before their dog is even pregnant, and they will ask any buyer to sign a spay/neuter contract. They will ask for and check references for prospective buyers to make sure their puppies are getting placed for life, and most agree to take their dogs back at any point, even years later. A good, responsible breeder simply does not allow any of the dogs they're responsible for producing to end up in a shelter. I think there's a huge difference between that and someone who mates their papered dog with another random papered dog and places an ad in the paper to make some cash.
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I personally find breeders of purebred dogs just as irresponsible (if not more so) as 'bumpkins' with their litters of mutts.
I've owned alot of dogs over the years, $1000 purebreds and free mutts, and one thing is for sure - they're all just dogs and we don't need more of them filling up the shelters and rescue programs.

That said, that is one adorable puppy and should make someone very happy.

They really are all just dogs, but I disagree that purebred breeders are irresponsible. Many of them care deeply about the health and genetics of their dogs, and go to great lengths to breed only top quality animals. Backyard breeders seldom do any health checks and just breed indescriminately, and that's how the shelters get filled with badly bred, ill-tempered animals that no one wants.
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I totally support dog rescues and the local humane society but I also think there is nothing wrong with buying a purebred dog from a reputable breeder (and by that I mean do your research) if that is your choice.
Yup. Totally agree with this.

Personally, I'd go to a shelter first. And since I don't have allergies, our first choice of shelter dogs and cats was always an easy one (or "foundlings" - a couple of our kitties were backyard orphans). However, since the Obamas have to take allergies into consideration, a non-allergic dog may not be easily found in a shelter. I can't imagine anyone just strolling into the ASPCA and saying, "Hey, got any Labradoodles?" It won't be easy, so odds are they're going to have to go to a responsible breeder. Which, in the long run also means - hey, another dog who needs a home gets a home.

A shelter dog should always be the first choice, I agree - but sometimes, it's just not that cut and dried.
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I personally find breeders of purebred dogs just as irresponsible (if not more so) as 'bumpkins' with their litters of mutts.
I've owned alot of dogs over the years, $1000 purebreds and free mutts, and one thing is for sure - they're all just dogs and we don't need more of them filling up the shelters and rescue programs.

That said, that is one adorable puppy and should make someone very happy.
There are some, sure, but I have to disagree that all of them are irresponsible. No reputable breeder wants his line of dogs weakened, etc by bad breeding. The breeder I got Casey from sells the occasional dog as a pet. They are not in the business of selling their dogs as pets. The majority of their dogs are show/breeding quality dogs.

I totally support dog rescues and the local humane society but I also think there is nothing wrong with buying a purebred dog from a reputable breeder (and by that I mean do your research) if that is your choice.
I totally agree that there are reputable breeders of purebred dogs.

But I still don't find it any more acceptable to breed dogs only for showing/breeding than for an intelligent loving person to breed their mutt so they can have a puppy from it and find loving homes for the rest. Not saying that's the case with this little black puppy which seems to have been an accident, but it seems to be the consensus that anyone who breeds their mutt is an unintelligent bumpkin. And I don't think that's the case.
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I personally find breeders of purebred dogs just as irresponsible (if not more so) as 'bumpkins' with their litters of mutts.
I've owned alot of dogs over the years, $1000 purebreds and free mutts, and one thing is for sure - they're all just dogs and we don't need more of them filling up the shelters and rescue programs.

That said, that is one adorable puppy and should make someone very happy.
There are some, sure, but I have to disagree that all of them are irresponsible. No reputable breeder wants his line of dogs weakened, etc by bad breeding. The breeder I got Casey from sells the occasional dog as a pet. They are not in the business of selling their dogs as pets. The majority of their dogs are show/breeding quality dogs.

I totally support dog rescues and the local humane society but I also think there is nothing wrong with buying a purebred dog from a reputable breeder (and by that I mean do your research) if that is your choice.
I totally agree that there are reputable breeders of purebred dogs.

But I still don't find it any more acceptable to breed dogs only for showing/breeding than for an intelligent loving person to breed their mutt so they can have a puppy from it and find loving homes for the rest. Not saying that's the case with this little black puppy which seems to have been an accident, but it seems to be the consensus that anyone who breeds their mutt is an unintelligent bumpkin. And I don't think that's the case.
If people that bred mutts went to great lengths to assure good homes for the puppies, I would agree. But the fact is that most of them have no idea where those puppies are, if they are cared for, or even alive after they've been placed.
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OMG, how did this thread shift into chaos and into a whole nasty discussion? This is about a little boy and his mom and a single surviving puppy of a litter. Nothing more and nothing less. Suddenly there's a whole lot of fingerpointing and name calling (bumpkins?!). Let's not forget the point here. The Obama's WANT to adopt a mutt and need a Labradoodle for a valid reason. Whether that's cool with you, valid or not, is not the issue and not for another person to judge. This isn't about passing judgement nor about generalisations about the irresponsibleness of people and litters. This is about one single family and a puppy. Sometimes I question why some people are on this board. To cause trouble or to discuss matters like adults. Sometimes this does feel like HS!

The white GSD or Swiss Shepherd wasn't a breed either, they were nothing more than disqualified GSDs that popped up in litters, but it became a separate breed - are the people who started the breed irresponsible too? A Labradoodle can become a breed. The discussion wasn't about the validness of that vs purebred dogs or mutts, or about or the fullness of shelters.
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