PA boy offers the Obama's his labradoodle pup...Awww

Most of my dogs are mutts and have been rescued. But my favorite breed is and has always been the doberman. I've had a rescue before, and he was wonderful. My other dobe's have always been well researched and I paid top dollar. I paid top dollar for a pet quality dog, that I also could not breed. They have their litters sold before they even breed the parents. If one of the pups, for whatever reason, they decide is not up to perfection, they sell them as "pets". You don't just get to buy it. They screen you and they decide if you are worthy of having one of their dogs.

All that being said, I'm only so fussy because the breed is a doberman. I'm not about to save a few bucks and take my chances on poor breeding and quality.
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Sometimes I question why some people are on this board. To cause trouble or to discuss matters like adults. Sometimes this does feel like HS!
Originally Posted by lapushka
I'm pretty sure that is what is going on here. We have a dog and cat crisis here, and actually all over the world. It is a very big and important topic. Big. Huge.

Obama is probably the most important and watched person right now. He can make a big impact here, good or bad, depending on what he does.
Handle every stressful situation like a dog. If you can't eat it or hump it.....Piss on it and walk away.
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OMG, how did this thread shift into chaos and into a whole nasty discussion? This is about a little boy and his mom and a single surviving puppy of a litter. Nothing more and nothing less. Suddenly there's a whole lot of fingerpointing and name calling (bumpkins?!). Let's not forget the point here. The Obama's WANT to adopt a mutt and need a Labradoodle for a valid reason. Whether that's cool with you, valid or not, is not the issue and not for another person to judge. This isn't about passing judgement nor about generalisations about the irresponsibleness of people and litters. This is about one single family and a puppy. Sometimes I question why some people are on this board. To cause trouble or to discuss matters like adults. Sometimes this does feel like HS!

The white GSD or Swiss Shepherd wasn't a breed either, they were nothing more than disqualified GSDs that popped up in litters, but it became a separate breed - are the people who started the breed irresponsible too? A Labradoodle can become a breed. The discussion wasn't about the validness of that vs purebred dogs or mutts, or about or the fullness of shelters.
Originally Posted by lapushka

This is about a family that irresponsibly let their pets breed (spay/neuter isn't something new...) and now want to get rid of an unwanted puppy from an unwanted litter and got the idea to try to pretty up their irresponsibility and give the puppy to the president.

I'm sorry you see pointing out the actions of such backyard-breeders (bumpkins) is seen as troublemaking or nasty, but if that's what you need to think of me in order to think at all, so be it.
This is about a family that irresponsibly let their pets breed (spay/neuter isn't something new...) and now want to get rid of an unwanted puppy from an unwanted litter and got the idea to try to pretty up their irresponsibility and give the puppy to the president.

I'm sorry you see pointing out the actions of such backyard-breeders (bumpkins) is seen as troublemaking or nasty, but if that's what you need to think of me in order to think at all, so be it.
Originally Posted by RedCatWaves
This is also about your opinion not being the only opinion on this board, right? Calling someone you don't know "bumpkins", "backyard breeders", classifying and labeling them into this little box that says "bad people" because there is indeed this breeding problem is a bit harsh if you don't know these people personally. It's a bit radical and lacking in emotion. If that's how you deal with people, it's sad. Always seeing the negative while there could be a positive outcome to this whole story. Let's not forget that a small boy is involved. Or what... next you'll be saying the mom is abusing her little boy by pushing him and the puppy into the press and by making him write that letter... I mean, you could go on and on with this; where does it end? A little compassion and humanity might be nice!
Umm, wow!

I was pretty sure we were discussing it like adults. This is a discussion board last I checked, so things get discussed here. That's how it goes.

And I'm pretty sure RCW never said her opinion is the only one on this board, but it is her opinion, so presumably that's the one she will write. Why in the world would anyone write an opinion that is not theirs is beyond me.
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This is about a family that irresponsibly let their pets breed (spay/neuter isn't something new...) and now want to get rid of an unwanted puppy from an unwanted litter and got the idea to try to pretty up their irresponsibility and give the puppy to the president.

I'm sorry you see pointing out the actions of such backyard-breeders (bumpkins) is seen as troublemaking or nasty, but if that's what you need to think of me in order to think at all, so be it.
Originally Posted by RedCatWaves
This is also about your opinion not being the only opinion on this board, right? Calling someone you don't know "bumpkins", "backyard breeders", classifying and labeling them into this little box that says "bad people" because there is indeed this breeding problem is a bit harsh if you don't know these people personally. It's a bit radical and lacking in emotion. If that's how you deal with people, it's sad. Always seeing the negative while there could be a positive outcome to this whole story. Let's not forget that a small boy is involved. Or what... next you'll be saying the mom is abusing her little boy by pushing him and the puppy into the press and by making him write that letter... I mean, you could go on and on with this; where does it end? A little compassion and humanity might be nice!
Originally Posted by lapushka


And what would be the happy ending? These people are encouraged by placing their puppy, and go on to breed their unaltered pets again, and again, and again. And so do their ignorant neighbors, because the Obama's adopted the Bumpkin's puppy, so it must be a good thing. That's how our country got to be so overflowing with unwanted dogs.

Sorry, but I don't encourage ignorance when people should be encouraged to neuter their pets, rather than breeding them indescriminately. There's no humanity in having to kill thousands of unwanted dogs every year.
I personally find breeders of purebred dogs just as irresponsible (if not more so) as 'bumpkins' with their litters of mutts.
I've owned alot of dogs over the years, $1000 purebreds and free mutts, and one thing is for sure - they're all just dogs and we don't need more of them filling up the shelters and rescue programs.

That said, that is one adorable puppy and should make someone very happy.
Originally Posted by jeepcurlygurl
There are some, sure, but I have to disagree that all of them are irresponsible. No reputable breeder wants his line of dogs weakened, etc by bad breeding. The breeder I got Casey from sells the occasional dog as a pet. They are not in the business of selling their dogs as pets. The majority of their dogs are show/breeding quality dogs.

I totally support dog rescues and the local humane society but I also think there is nothing wrong with buying a purebred dog from a reputable breeder (and by that I mean do your research) if that is your choice.
Originally Posted by xcptnl
I totally agree that there are reputable breeders of purebred dogs.

But I still don't find it any more acceptable to breed dogs only for showing/breeding than for an intelligent loving person to breed their mutt so they can have a puppy from it and find loving homes for the rest. Not saying that's the case with this little black puppy which seems to have been an accident, but it seems to be the consensus that anyone who breeds their mutt is an unintelligent bumpkin. And I don't think that's the case.
Originally Posted by jeepcurlygurl

Hallelujiah, ITA.

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This is about a family that irresponsibly let their pets breed (spay/neuter isn't something new...) and now want to get rid of an unwanted puppy from an unwanted litter and got the idea to try to pretty up their irresponsibility and give the puppy to the president.

I'm sorry you see pointing out the actions of such backyard-breeders (bumpkins) is seen as troublemaking or nasty, but if that's what you need to think of me in order to think at all, so be it.
Originally Posted by RedCatWaves
This is also about your opinion not being the only opinion on this board, right? Calling someone you don't know "bumpkins", "backyard breeders", classifying and labeling them into this little box that says "bad people" because there is indeed this breeding problem is a bit harsh if you don't know these people personally. It's a bit radical and lacking in emotion. If that's how you deal with people, it's sad. Always seeing the negative while there could be a positive outcome to this whole story. Let's not forget that a small boy is involved. Or what... next you'll be saying the mom is abusing her little boy by pushing him and the puppy into the press and by making him write that letter... I mean, you could go on and on with this; where does it end? A little compassion and humanity might be nice!
Originally Posted by lapushka
ITA....

Jumping to conclusions is ridiculous. How would some of you like to be judged because of your many bad marriages & bringing children into that invironment?
From Michael Berg:

Every person has a unique connection to the Creator that can never be extinguished, and every person has a great soul that can manifest important things in our world. To make a person feel less than they are because of something inside themselves, be it faith, race, or sexual orientation, is the greatest sin of all."
This is about a family that irresponsibly let their pets breed (spay/neuter isn't something new...) and now want to get rid of an unwanted puppy from an unwanted litter and got the idea to try to pretty up their irresponsibility and give the puppy to the president.

I'm sorry you see pointing out the actions of such backyard-breeders (bumpkins) is seen as troublemaking or nasty, but if that's what you need to think of me in order to think at all, so be it.
Originally Posted by RedCatWaves
This is also about your opinion not being the only opinion on this board, right? Calling someone you don't know "bumpkins", "backyard breeders", classifying and labeling them into this little box that says "bad people" because there is indeed this breeding problem is a bit harsh if you don't know these people personally. It's a bit radical and lacking in emotion. If that's how you deal with people, it's sad. Always seeing the negative while there could be a positive outcome to this whole story. Let's not forget that a small boy is involved. Or what... next you'll be saying the mom is abusing her little boy by pushing him and the puppy into the press and by making him write that letter... I mean, you could go on and on with this; where does it end? A little compassion and humanity might be nice!
Originally Posted by lapushka
ITA....

Jumping to conclusions is ridiculous. How would some of you like to be judged because of your many bad marriages & bringing children into that invironment?
Originally Posted by Lotsawaves
If they were on TV trying to get people to feel pity for them and get handouts "for the kids", I'd judge them too.
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Here's all you have to know about men and women: women are crazy, men are stupid. And the main reason women are crazy is that men are stupid. ~ George Carlin
This is about a family that irresponsibly let their pets breed (spay/neuter isn't something new...) and now want to get rid of an unwanted puppy from an unwanted litter and got the idea to try to pretty up their irresponsibility and give the puppy to the president.

I'm sorry you see pointing out the actions of such backyard-breeders (bumpkins) is seen as troublemaking or nasty, but if that's what you need to think of me in order to think at all, so be it.
Originally Posted by RedCatWaves
This is also about your opinion not being the only opinion on this board, right? Calling someone you don't know "bumpkins", "backyard breeders", classifying and labeling them into this little box that says "bad people" because there is indeed this breeding problem is a bit harsh if you don't know these people personally. It's a bit radical and lacking in emotion. If that's how you deal with people, it's sad. Always seeing the negative while there could be a positive outcome to this whole story. Let's not forget that a small boy is involved. Or what... next you'll be saying the mom is abusing her little boy by pushing him and the puppy into the press and by making him write that letter... I mean, you could go on and on with this; where does it end? A little compassion and humanity might be nice!
Originally Posted by lapushka
ITA....

Jumping to conclusions is ridiculous. How would some of you like to be judged because of your many bad marriages & bringing children into that invironment?
Originally Posted by Lotsawaves
That's different. That's about women having choices. Not irresponsible breeding. Plus people are involved. People+good breeding=bad. Animals+good breeding=good.

"In the depth of winter, I finally learned that within me there lay an invincible summer."

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People's bad choices are even worse to me. We are talking about a human's life, not an animals, which "I" feel is much more important. I just can't understand the people who are so judgemental when they themselves are guilty of making wrong long term decisions. The animals are just acting on instincts & according to some the owners didn't take precauctions. Well, apparently the people who are judging were in bad relationships & they didn't take precautions to bring children into the mess.
From Michael Berg:

Every person has a unique connection to the Creator that can never be extinguished, and every person has a great soul that can manifest important things in our world. To make a person feel less than they are because of something inside themselves, be it faith, race, or sexual orientation, is the greatest sin of all."

Last edited by Lotsawaves; 01-22-2009 at 07:45 PM.
ITA....

Jumping to conclusions is ridiculous. How would some of you like to be judged because of your many bad marriages & bringing children into that invironment?
Originally Posted by Lotsawaves


Pffftttt...as if I've never been judged for that...
People's bad choices are even worse to me. We are talking about a human's life, not an animals, which "I" feel is much more important. I just can't understand the people who are so judgemental when they themselves are guilty of making wrong long term decisions. The animals are just acting on instincts & according to some the owners didn't take precauctions. Well, apparently the people who are judging were in bad relationships & they didn't take precautions to bring children into the mess.
Originally Posted by Lotsawaves

Your green is showing...
People's bad choices are even worse to me. We are talking about a human's life, not an animals, which "I" feel is much more important. I just can't understand the people who are so judgemental when they themselves are guilty of making wrong long term decisions. The animals are just acting on instincts & according to some the owners didn't take precauctions. Well, apparently the people who are judging were in bad relationships & they didn't take precautions to bring children into the mess.
Originally Posted by Lotsawaves

Your green is showing...
Originally Posted by RedCatWaves

Jealous of your life? Definitely not. I just wanted to know if your husband had a brother.
From Michael Berg:

Every person has a unique connection to the Creator that can never be extinguished, and every person has a great soul that can manifest important things in our world. To make a person feel less than they are because of something inside themselves, be it faith, race, or sexual orientation, is the greatest sin of all."
People's bad choices are even worse to me. We are talking about a human's life, not an animals, which "I" feel is much more important. I just can't understand the people who are so judgemental when they themselves are guilty of making wrong long term decisions. The animals are just acting on instincts & according to some the owners didn't take precauctions. Well, apparently the people who are judging were in bad relationships & they didn't take precautions to bring children into the mess.
Originally Posted by Lotsawaves

Your green is showing...
Originally Posted by RedCatWaves

Jealous of your life? Definitely not. I just wanted to know if your husband had a brother.
Originally Posted by Lotsawaves


Right...you think we're practically abusing children in this family and you want to meet a member of it. Uh huh...

Keep your smiley face. It doesn't pretty up your ugly comments.


Your green is showing...
Originally Posted by RedCatWaves

Jealous of your life? Definitely not. I just wanted to know if your husband had a brother.
Originally Posted by Lotsawaves




Right...you think we're practically abusing children in this family and you want to meet a member of it. Uh huh...

Keep your smiley face. It doesn't pretty up your ugly comments.
Originally Posted by RedCatWaves
I guess I hit a tender spot. Talk about ugly comments. You are the queen at that. Your bitterness & anger comes out in most of your posts.
From Michael Berg:

Every person has a unique connection to the Creator that can never be extinguished, and every person has a great soul that can manifest important things in our world. To make a person feel less than they are because of something inside themselves, be it faith, race, or sexual orientation, is the greatest sin of all."


Jealous of your life? Definitely not. I just wanted to know if your husband had a brother.
Originally Posted by Lotsawaves




Right...you think we're practically abusing children in this family and you want to meet a member of it. Uh huh...

Keep your smiley face. It doesn't pretty up your ugly comments.
Originally Posted by RedCatWaves
I guess I hit a tender spot. Talk about ugly comments. You are the queen at that. Your bitterness & anger comes out in most of your posts.
Originally Posted by Lotsawaves


No, not tender. I've been dealing with judgmental people about my family for decades. I'm used to it. I'm just pointing out that your jealousy is so big that it is seeping into a thread ABOUT DOGS.
People's bad choices are even worse to me. We are talking about a human's life, not an animals, which "I" feel is much more important. I just can't understand the people who are so judgemental when they themselves are guilty of making wrong long term decisions. The animals are just acting on instincts & according to some the owners didn't take precauctions. Well, apparently the people who are judging were in bad relationships & they didn't take precautions to bring children into the mess.
Originally Posted by Lotsawaves
Actually both situation are about people's choices. Dogs don't reason. They don't think "hey, I can't afford puppy school and dog food, so I'm not gonna hump the girl dog next door." They just do things. If the owners didn't take precautions, they need to suck it up, take all those puppies to the vet and make sure they all stay healthy and alive. Then they need to either keep the dogs and take care of them or find them good homes. Going on TV with your cute son is just a publicity stunt to easily pawn off the dog on someone else. Like I said, if the person who got pregnant went on TV with her cute kids to win some pity donations, I'd judge her too. People make mistakes, but how we deal with them is what counts. You have children at a less than ideal time, too bad, you still gotta take care of them. You still need to feed them well, take them to the doctor, etc. If your dog gets accidentally pregnant and has puppies, you need to take care of them too.

I guess I just have little sympathy for people who get newstime for doing absolutely nothing.
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Here's all you have to know about men and women: women are crazy, men are stupid. And the main reason women are crazy is that men are stupid. ~ George Carlin
Most of my dogs are mutts and have been rescued. But my favorite breed is and has always been the doberman. I've had a rescue before, and he was wonderful. My other dobe's have always been well researched and I paid top dollar. I paid top dollar for a pet quality dog, that I also could not breed. They have their litters sold before they even breed the parents. If one of the pups, for whatever reason, they decide is not up to perfection, they sell them as "pets". You don't just get to buy it. They screen you and they decide if you are worthy of having one of their dogs.

All that being said, I'm only so fussy because the breed is a doberman. I'm not about to save a few bucks and take my chances on poor breeding and quality.
Originally Posted by 2happy
Yep-what you said!

I have also had shelter dogs - in fact my first cocker spaniel was from a shelter. I have always supported shelters and breed rescue groups. But as I said - there is nothing wrong with purchasing a dog from a respected breeder. I have done it and I won't apologize for it.

Now if we are discussing the morality of even breeding dogs for show or otherwise - I have no issue with that. There is a lot worse going on in the world that people breeding dogs, cats, horses, etc.
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That labradoodle is cute. Maybe they should rescue it from the horrible, irresponsible bumpkins.

My irresponsible mutt was $600. Cocker spaniel/poodle mix. Pics for cuteness.









Originally Posted by CurlyGina2
Love your cockapoo...adorable! I have one too (I tried to copy and paste her pic but it didn't work, )! I'm quite the fan of poodle mixes...really cuts down on my allergies and has really spoiled me with the "no shedding."
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Used to worry 'bout rich and skinny, 'til I wound up poor and fat,
Nowadays I kind of worry where my mind's been at,
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