PA boy offers the Obama's his labradoodle pup...Awww

Ugh...why would we want to encourage more bumpkins to irresponsibly and indescriminately let their pets breed? Have these folks never heard of spay/neuter?
Originally Posted by RedCatWaves
I'd hardly classify or label this family as bumpkins. You don't know the circumstances. They have 4 dogs; it might even be a breeder.
Originally Posted by lapushka
There's no such thing as a responsible breeder of labradoodles. They're not a breed! And they said this was the only surviving puppy of the litter... doesn't sound too good there either. Sounds to me like their unspayed dog accidentally got knocked up, and they're trying to get rid of the only puppy that was tough enough to live through their wonderful care. People like that are the reason millions of dogs are put down every year.
Originally Posted by Kaia

ITA with Kaia and RCW.
OMG, how did this thread shift into chaos and into a whole nasty discussion? This is about a little boy and his mom and a single surviving puppy of a litter. Nothing more and nothing less. Suddenly there's a whole lot of fingerpointing and name calling (bumpkins?!).
Originally Posted by lapushka

Because there are literally piles of carcasses of euthanized dogs and cats outside animal shelters across this country right now.

We euthanize 3-4 MILLION dogs and cats every year.

And they are mostly just as sweet, just as adorable, just as loving as this pup. It's simply heartbreaking to me.

We don't need to create more companion animals. We have far too many.

So that's why.

For people who don't understand why this is such a big deal to some of us, I encourage you to watch Best Friend Forgotten, a documentary that follows a cat and a dog through the shelter system.

Please open your eyes to the full scope and gravity of this problem.

Last edited by wild~hair; 01-24-2009 at 02:13 PM.
I still find it disgraceful for you guys to be using this little boy as an example, nailing him to the wall because there is this real problem. Okay, the problem exists, but did the boy cause all of this, does he deserve all this anger. No.

There are people who will fight for a right cause, and take it one day at a time, one victory at a time, and then there are those who are so rigid in fighting for the cause that they become totally radical about it. There's danger in that and that's what I'm seeing and experiencing here.

Yes, I know the problem exists but I'm not extreme about it at least because of this one little boy and his puppy.

Please!
I still find it disgraceful for you guys to be using this little boy as an example, nailing him to the wall because there is this real problem. Okay, the problem exists, but did the boy cause all of this, does he deserve all this anger. No.

There are people who will fight for a right cause, and take it one day at a time, one victory at a time, and then there are those who are so rigid in fighting for the cause that they become totally radical about it. There's danger in that and that's what I'm seeing and experiencing here.

Yes, I know the problem exists but I'm not extreme about it at least because of this one little boy and his puppy.

Please!
Originally Posted by lapushka
This does not make sense.
I still find it disgraceful for you guys to be using this little boy as an example, nailing him to the wall because there is this real problem. Okay, the problem exists, but did the boy cause all of this, does he deserve all this anger. No.

There are people who will fight for a right cause, and take it one day at a time, one victory at a time, and then there are those who are so rigid in fighting for the cause that they become totally radical about it. There's danger in that and that's what I'm seeing and experiencing here.

Yes, I know the problem exists but I'm not extreme about it at least because of this one little boy and his puppy.

Please!
Originally Posted by lapushka


So if the person contributing to a problem is cute, then it doesn't count? Gotcha!
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I still find it disgraceful for you guys to be using this little boy as an example, nailing him to the wall because there is this real problem. Okay, the problem exists, but did the boy cause all of this, does he deserve all this anger. No.

There are people who will fight for a right cause, and take it one day at a time, one victory at a time, and then there are those who are so rigid in fighting for the cause that they become totally radical about it. There's danger in that and that's what I'm seeing and experiencing here.

Yes, I know the problem exists but I'm not extreme about it at least because of this one little boy and his puppy.

Please!
Originally Posted by lapushka
This does not make sense.
Originally Posted by iara
Makes sense to me. This is how people get (fighting) every once in awhile on here. I normally just chalk it up to everyone pmsing at the same time. roar. Your best bet is to ignore it and not even open the thread. Even though I just did lol.
CurlyGina, can I have your puppy?

I'd rather have a mutt (with a cool name!) than for e.g. a pure-bred British Bulldog that can't breath properly because of the perfect breeding it's parents and grandparents have been through.

I'd also adopt a pet rather than buy one.
Fat does not make you fat. It's actually pretty important.
I still find it disgraceful for you guys to be using this little boy as an example, nailing him to the wall because there is this real problem. Okay, the problem exists, but did the boy cause all of this, does he deserve all this anger. No.

There are people who will fight for a right cause, and take it one day at a time, one victory at a time, and then there are those who are so rigid in fighting for the cause that they become totally radical about it. There's danger in that and that's what I'm seeing and experiencing here.

Yes, I know the problem exists but I'm not extreme about it at least because of this one little boy and his puppy.

Please!
Originally Posted by lapushka
This does not make sense.
Originally Posted by iara
Makes sense to me. This is how people get (fighting) every once in awhile on here. I normally just chalk it up to everyone pmsing at the same time. roar. Your best bet is to ignore it and not even open the thread. Even though I just did lol.
Originally Posted by melloweer
You misunderstood. Her post does not make sense.

Just because the face of irresponsibility is a young child (although his parents are the ones truly at fault) does not mean people should refrain from commenting.

Anyway, I thought this was a normal debate and not nasty at all.
The bulldog is usually used as a textbook example of bad breeding, where breeders prioritized public demand for a certain appearance in the dog over the health and purpose of the breed. The same goes for the wrinkle dogs, where they have been bred for maximum wrinkles (which increases health problems). It isn't logical to conclude that breeding is bad. What's bad is irresponsible breeding to produce an animal that is marketable to people who are in pursuit of a fad. Responsible breeders strive to keep an established breed alive and prioritize the health of their dogs.

You can look at livestock practices as an example of typical breeding. Livestock is generally bred to produce something that can be sold--meat, dairy, eggs. Health is a secondary interest; the health of the animal should be good enough that there isn't a lot of expense in treating illness and disease. They just need to stay healthy up to the point of slaughter. Most people don't object to this.

As a consumer, you can choose. If you care about the treatment of animals, know where your money goes.

As far as the Obamas go, Parent Obamas made a promise to purchase a family dog or two to their children. Not to the country. I think they have already set a fine example by taking their time, familiaring themselves with the options and preparing for responsible dog ownership.
formerly Castella
(my dogs aren't snarly, my hair is)
This does not make sense.
Originally Posted by iara
Makes sense to me. This is how people get (fighting) every once in awhile on here. I normally just chalk it up to everyone pmsing at the same time. roar. Your best bet is to ignore it and not even open the thread. Even though I just did lol.
Originally Posted by melloweer
You misunderstood. Her post does not make sense.

Just because the face of irresponsibility is a young child (although his parents are the ones truly at fault) does not mean people should refrain from commenting.

Anyway, I thought this was a normal debate and not nasty at all.
Originally Posted by iara

Oh no worries Im not making it nasty or thinking it was. I still stand by it makes sense to me and there is no misunderstanding from my point of view. It's about perspective.
Oh no worries Im not making it nasty or thinking it was. I still stand by it makes sense to me and there is no misunderstanding from my point of view. It's about perspective.
Originally Posted by melloweer
I think we are talking about two different things. LOL No worries.
Here's the deal:
Yes, the boy is not at fault at all. I don't think anyone has been mean or said anythign bad about the child. He is a child and has no clue. However, by taking in the puppy that his parents neglected to prevent from being conceived, it will encourage others to breed certain mixes on PURPOSE. I for one believe that breeding ANY dogs (mixed, pure, mutts, bumpkins, registered, show, whatever) is wrong. There are so many strays and dogs in shelters that need homes before ANY puppies are born on purpose. Believe me, if the Obamas don't take the dog, it WILL get a home (esp. now that it has been in the news). What would be really great is if they adopted a dog from a shelter and started a "trend" of doing so around the nation. I understand the argument about how it's okay to buy a purebred from a reputable breeder b/c of the quality of health and how much they care for their breeds. I get that. But, why not put that much effort into trying to fix the real problem (too many unwanted pets)? I personally own 2 purebred Boxers. I love them to death adn love the breed. However- I adopted them both. As much as I love the breed, I would never, ever, ever, ever BUY a doggie. There are too many that need adopting. Period. If you like a certain breed, do the right thing and rescue one!
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