DOG POOP SPINOFF: Neighbors Who Won't Shovel Their Walks

This morning I'm walking my dog, struggling in front of a house with an incredibly icy/snowy sidewalk that hadn't been shoveled. My dog stopped and pooped on the sidewalk. As she's doing her business I'm looking at the house thinking that it must be a foreclosed property and I see a woman in the window looking out at me.

I was waiting for her to tell me to pick up the poop (which I was going to do as soon as the dog finished) so that I could come back at her with the dismal and dangerous state of her sidewalk.

My city will give out tickets for people who don't shovel, but it seems like only a couple days after a snowstorm. It's been at least a week now.

People not shoveling their sidewalks annoy me.


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i shovel soon after it snows. although, over winter break, i wasn't at my apartment during a couple of big snows and i worried about it. the snow got panked down pretty well though. if i had been home, i would have shoveled.
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You have to shovel your property? Man, I'm glad I don't live up north!
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You have to shovel your property? Man, I'm glad I don't live up north!
Originally Posted by Kaia
You only have to shovel your sidewalk. If you don't shovel your driveway, walkway, etc, that is your business. But any sidewalk on your property is for common use, so you have to do it.
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Ah, gotcha! Sidewalks are very uncommon in my town, so I guess I don't know how they legally work in terms of what you can/need to do to them. But what if the homeowner is old and frail and it would be very difficult for them to do it? Do they then have to hire someone to do it?
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I don't have any sidewalks in my neighborhood, but I'm kicking myself for not having one of my sons shovel the driveway this last storm. My driveway is a steep hill, and while the snow was only a few inches, it iced up really bad and it's been a week and still hasn't melted. So, now it's treacherous rutted hard ice that's difficult to walk on, and I'm too scared to even walk out to the damn mailbox, lest I fall and break something.
Ah, gotcha! Sidewalks are very uncommon in my town, so I guess I don't know how they legally work in terms of what you can/need to do to them. But what if the homeowner is old and frail and it would be very difficult for them to do it? Do they then have to hire someone to do it?
Originally Posted by Kaia
Yes. Ideally residents in a neighborhood will pitch in and clear sidewalks for their neighbors who may be old, incapacitated, or out of town. But if that doesn't happen, you have to hire someone and then hope like crazy that they actually show up and clear your walks.

Snow isn't as big a problem as ice. You shovel, shovel, shovel, and then the second you turn your back, the snow heaps from shoveling start melting and pool up on the sidewalks and then the next morning it's an ice rink. So you salt, salt, salt, and then the next day's melt washes away the salt.

When someone tells you not to purchase a corner property with sidewalks, take heed my friends.
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Ah, gotcha! Sidewalks are very uncommon in my town, so I guess I don't know how they legally work in terms of what you can/need to do to them. But what if the homeowner is old and frail and it would be very difficult for them to do it? Do they then have to hire someone to do it?
Originally Posted by Kaia
Yes. Ideally residents in a neighborhood will pitch in and clear sidewalks for their neighbors who may be old, incapacitated, or out of town. But if that doesn't happen, you have to hire someone and then hope like crazy that they actually show up and clear your walks.

Snow isn't as big a problem as ice. You shovel, shovel, shovel, and then the second you turn your back, the snow heaps from shoveling start melting and pool up on the sidewalks and then the next morning it's an ice rink. So you salt, salt, salt, and then the next day's melt washes away the salt.

When someone tells you not to purchase a corner property with sidewalks, take heed my friends.
Originally Posted by Castella
Oh, yeah, corner houses are the worst.

My landlord does my elderly neighbor's walk, but I guess if you don't have someone to do it for you, you're going to have to hire someone.


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Ahhhh the joys of living in a condo...the maintenance staff shovels and salts all the walkways/sidewalks! When I get up in the morning...its all done by 9am! This is the ONE thing I dread about purchasing a single family house or even a townhouse. I'll be the first in line at Sears to get an electric snow blower/remover!
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I'm in atownhouse and the HOA fees cover the sidewalk and common areas. We are responsible for the driveway (which is one car length for ours) and the walkway (which takes 5 minutes. When everything ices over it becomes a much heftier task.
City of Boston has a hotline you can call and rat out your neighbors if they haven't shoveled... I think you live right near the city (maybe?), and I would assume they have the same. It really used to tick me off when I had to walk to the train station to commute to work - I used to have to walk in the street and try not to get hit by cars because jerks wouldn't shovel their sidewalks.
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This is a total pet peeve of mine.

They must not ticket here, 'cause about half the houses and businesses don't seem to bother with it. Not within 24 hours, 48 hours, or ever. The snow just gets trampled, gets glazed over and icy, and that's that.

I honestly dont get it, some of the walks are really treacherous. I would imagine if someone fell and really hurt themselves, especially in front of a business, they could very well sue.

I mildly sprained my ankle last week — a non-ice/snow related injury — and I didn't dare take the train to work, because walking to and from the train would have been too much of a risk of further injury [I'm not too stable on my feet right now], not to mention it would have taken me forever, hobbling along.

I am doing ok with winter this year, but I am sick of taking little mincing steps all the time [even before my injury] and almost wiping out every time I walk down the street.
They must not ticket here, 'cause about half the houses and businesses don't seem to bother with it. Not within 24 hours, 48 hours, or ever. The snow just gets trampled, gets glazed over and icy, and that's that.
Originally Posted by wild~hair
Yep, this. I didn't even know that some cities required sidewalk shoveling! My university has hardly cleared anything and people are just walking around on it tamping it down and making it worse. I've seen plenty of people fall, too (including myself!).

We recently got about 6" of snow one night, then the next day freezing rain that turned into snow overnight. The result was about 6" of snow, a 1-2" sheet of ice, then 4" more of snow. They canceled school on those two days but on Friday classes were in session and our physical plant had hardly touched anything. We have a really really long set of stairs (probably 40+) that leads down to the other side of campus that hadn't been shoveled AT ALL. Talk about dangerous.
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If you can't shovel then you hire someone to do it. It's not that expensive, we charge $25 per 3 inches to plow a driveway and scoop the walk. That's for a normal lot with a normal drive. If you have a bigger than normal the rate goes up.

We also have 8 elderly people we do for free or next to nothing, some people have their pride.

At our house and the neighbor's we put out ice melt so the walk is bone dry, I throw put cracked corn instead of sand for traction which helps with the refreeze. The ice melt has been working good for the past week.

I've been walking the dog and have noticed how bad people's walks are. I know there are bands of kids that do sidewalks for next to nothing, $7.00, and can't believe people are that ignorant about not taking care of their property.
You totally can sue if you injure yourself on uncleared or salted walkways.

I don't know who comes in last around here. The city is pretty bad, but they're trying harder this year. They don't have a lot of equipment for sidewalks so you'll see them driving a pickup down a sidewalk (!) with a dude in the back throwing shovelfuls of salt. That's...kind of crazy. They've also been trying really hard to remove piled up snow banks so that the street drains are clear, and snow melt has someplace to go (instead of flooding).

Then there are the absentee landlords. Tenants aren't require to clear anything unless it says so in the lease.
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Then there are the absentee landlords. Tenants aren't require to clear anything unless it says so in the lease.
Originally Posted by Castella
I've been thinking about this. I would certainly prefer not to shovel my walk, but if my landlord didn't do it I would. I don't want to have someone's broken ankle on my conscience.

(as an aside, a coworker of mine's father slipped and fell on the ice, hit his head, had a stroke and lost all short term memory and all long term memory of anything before 1972... so he doesn't remember her at all. Scary.)


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We don't shovel ours
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We don't shovel ours
Originally Posted by kindredspirit1983
Does someone do it or do you just leave it as a hazard for all who walk by?


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