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Old 02-05-2009, 07:43 PM   #1
 
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Default spinoff: original punk rockers, how do you feel abt the younger generation?

mar's post got me thinking of this. i listen to a lot of older punk (and other styles) - i.e. the jam, the clash, the new york dolls, the ramones, johnny thunders, the stooges, t-rex, the mc5, etc...

i'm 25 years old, so i obviously missed the "peak."

i was wondering what you ladies who were there for that era think of the younger generation listening to that music? do you see us as poseurs? do you think it's awesome? do you think it's cool that we listen to it, but can never really understand?

i've always felt like i was born a couple decades too late and probably would've had an awesome time being a teenager in the 70's. it's always cool to hear stories from people who actually got to see these bands IN THEIR PRIME. i used to work in a children's library, and one of the dads saw my ramones t-shirt and told me about how he was at their first show in detroit, and looking up and seeing johnny ramone and thinking that he was the greatest guitarist ever.

i wish i could have been around then to experience it all.
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mar's post got me thinking of this. i listen to a lot of older punk (and other styles) - i.e. the jam, the clash, the new york dolls, the ramones, johnny thunders, the stooges, t-rex, the mc5, etc...

i'm 25 years old, so i obviously missed the "peak."

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i wish i could have been around then to experience it all.
I feel the same way as you do, and listen to a lot of the same bands, but I'm 16!

So don't feel bad, I missed the peak worse than you did, haha.

I wish I could've been there in the 70s too.
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The 70's were a great era for music, and I'm glad it was *my* era. These days, I think the younger generation idolizing the older bands to be kinda silly. That would be like me idolizing the 50's and still swooning over Frankie Valley...unless you lived it the first time, you really don't have a realistic idea of what it was like, you just have the romanticized version.

I once ran across a very young woman with an enormous tattoo of the band members of Kiss in full makeup on her back. Huge. She was 16 and was going to live her life with Gene Simmons sticking out his tongue on her body. I thought it was one of the most ridiculous things I have ever seen.

Hubby was a sound engineer for Joey Ramone back in the day. He says Joey was a first-class jerk.
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Hubby was a sound engineer for Joey Ramone back in the day. He says Joey was a first-class jerk.
Thats a bummer. About 6 years ago for an art class we were studying the Hispanic art of retablos which are a paintings of patron saints. As a hands on project everyone had to make a retablo or an exvoto (painting that tells a story and thanks a saint). Joey Ramone has passed away just a few months away so I made a retablo of him using collage, ink and paint. It was meant to be kind of silly, but part of it was a tribute to him as well. The TA teaching the class loved it.

I'm 29 so I was lucky enough to hit that 90's punk revival in my teens with bands like NOFX, Rancid, the Decendants/ALL, the Queers, Screetching Weasel, Guttermouth, the Lunachicks, and so on. I also loved the old stuff, but realized that while that scene was amazing, it was not MY scene, but my scene wouldn't exist if it weren't for that.

These days I'm too old to feel like I really identify as a punk, and listen to a wider range of music, but punk will always have a special place in my heart for making me who I am today.

And what do I feel about that kid that is 16 and sporting a plaid skirt, bettie page bangs and a NOFX shirt? Honestly, she makes me happy, good music is good music no matter how old it is, and I'm glad the scene is still alive in some incarnation.
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My sister and her best friend when through a Beatles phase when they were 13-14--it was the mid-80's. I think good music is timeless and will be appreciated for years to come. You can't help if you weren't old enough (or born yet)to appreciate it the first time around. I play some of the songs I like for my daughter in hopes that she will like it when she's older. I don't see anything wrong with that. Good music is good music whether it is current or 100 years old. Plus the old stuff influences the new.
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I don't have a problem with people listening to "my" music at all. I hate it when kids act like they discovered it, but that's sort of expected--they're kids so they forget that they're not the center of the universe.

I grew up listening to all kinds of music, so while it was happening, it never occurred to me that punk was a genre or different until maybe my sophomore year in high school.

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Technically I'm not a punk rocker, but I was around during that era...I was young, but I was around...LOL I have older siblings, so I remember the music and I like it. I just wouldn't categorize myself as a punk rocker, by any stretch of the imagination.
But a part of me thinks it's silly that the younger generations are liking older music, whether it be punk rock, the Beatles (John Lennon) or whatever...but then again, you know what? who cares? If you like it, listen to it. That's what's so great about our technology today, it's so much easier to download something or to listen to satellite radio and enjoy it. Why not?
I like some music from my parents' generation (50's/early 60's, when they were teenagers/young adults) and so what?
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Hubby was a sound engineer for Joey Ramone back in the day. He says Joey was a first-class jerk.
Thats a bummer. About 6 years ago for an art class we were studying the Hispanic art of retablos which are a paintings of patron saints. As a hands on project everyone had to make a retablo or an exvoto (painting that tells a story and thanks a saint). Joey Ramone has passed away just a few months away so I made a retablo of him using collage, ink and paint. It was meant to be kind of silly, but part of it was a tribute to him as well. The TA teaching the class loved it.

I'm 29 so I was lucky enough to hit that 90's punk revival in my teens with bands like NOFX, Rancid, the Decendants/ALL, the Queers, Screetching Weasel, Guttermouth, the Lunachicks, and so on. I also loved the old stuff, but realized that while that scene was amazing, it was not MY scene, but my scene wouldn't exist if it weren't for that.

These days I'm too old to feel like I really identify as a punk, and listen to a wider range of music, but punk will always have a special place in my heart for making me who I am today.

And what do I feel about that kid that is 16 and sporting a plaid skirt, bettie page bangs and a NOFX shirt? Honestly, she makes me happy, good music is good music no matter how old it is, and I'm glad the scene is still alive in some incarnation.
When was Joey Ramone canonized?
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Hubby was a sound engineer for Joey Ramone back in the day. He says Joey was a first-class jerk.
Thats a bummer. About 6 years ago for an art class we were studying the Hispanic art of retablos which are a paintings of patron saints. As a hands on project everyone had to make a retablo or an exvoto (painting that tells a story and thanks a saint). Joey Ramone has passed away just a few months away so I made a retablo of him using collage, ink and paint. It was meant to be kind of silly, but part of it was a tribute to him as well. The TA teaching the class loved it.

I'm 29 so I was lucky enough to hit that 90's punk revival in my teens with bands like NOFX, Rancid, the Decendants/ALL, the Queers, Screetching Weasel, Guttermouth, the Lunachicks, and so on. I also loved the old stuff, but realized that while that scene was amazing, it was not MY scene, but my scene wouldn't exist if it weren't for that.

These days I'm too old to feel like I really identify as a punk, and listen to a wider range of music, but punk will always have a special place in my heart for making me who I am today.

And what do I feel about that kid that is 16 and sporting a plaid skirt, bettie page bangs and a NOFX shirt? Honestly, she makes me happy, good music is good music no matter how old it is, and I'm glad the scene is still alive in some incarnation.
When was Joey Ramone canonized?
He wasn't. It was attempt at paying tribute and being cheeky at the same time.

I'm an ex-Catholic, btw.
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I don't care-let them have fun with it
My 19 yr old son loves the Dolls,Stooges,Bowie,Morrisey....we get along just fine
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I don't have a problem with people listening to "my" music at all. I hate it when kids act like they discovered it, but that's sort of expected--they're kids so they forget that they're not the center of the universe.
That's how I feel about it. I think it's very cool if the younger generation has an appreciation of my music, but I hate when they act superior about it.

In the late 80s, I was working at a video store (I was 25 at the time), and a punk kid about 16 came in looking for "The Great Rock and Roll Swindle" on video. We didn't have it in stock, so I started looking it up to get the price for him so he could order it. He then very condescendingly says to me, "I'm SURE you don't know who the Sex Pistols are." That was it - gloves were off. I very dryly said to him, "Dear? I was listening to the Sex Pistols back when you still thought the Muppets were real people." That shut him up.

My nephew is 14, and he loves all the old bands, he doesn't really like any new ones. I think the newest band he likes is Nirvana, and then everyone going back. Best presents to get him are CDs by the Beatles, the Sex Pistols, the Ramones and the Who. But he doesn't act like he discovered it first or anything. Quite the opposite - when he first started to get into the old music, he asked my advice on a lot of stuff that he should be listening to. Which bands, which albums, etc.
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Thats a bummer. About 6 years ago for an art class we were studying the Hispanic art of retablos which are a paintings of patron saints. As a hands on project everyone had to make a retablo or an exvoto (painting that tells a story and thanks a saint). Joey Ramone has passed away just a few months away so I made a retablo of him using collage, ink and paint. It was meant to be kind of silly, but part of it was a tribute to him as well. The TA teaching the class loved it.

I'm 29 so I was lucky enough to hit that 90's punk revival in my teens with bands like NOFX, Rancid, the Decendants/ALL, the Queers, Screetching Weasel, Guttermouth, the Lunachicks, and so on. I also loved the old stuff, but realized that while that scene was amazing, it was not MY scene, but my scene wouldn't exist if it weren't for that.

These days I'm too old to feel like I really identify as a punk, and listen to a wider range of music, but punk will always have a special place in my heart for making me who I am today.

And what do I feel about that kid that is 16 and sporting a plaid skirt, bettie page bangs and a NOFX shirt? Honestly, she makes me happy, good music is good music no matter how old it is, and I'm glad the scene is still alive in some incarnation.
When was Joey Ramone canonized?
He wasn't. It was attempt at paying tribute and being cheeky at the same time.

I'm an ex-Catholic, btw.
I was kidding...
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I don't mind it. What I would consider to be "my" music was the grunge era of the early and mid 90's. I just thought it was funny when my 16 year old nephew (16 now, don't remember how old then) said that he really like the new band Green Day when they came out with American Idiot. I was like NEW?!
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He wasn't. It was attempt at paying tribute and being cheeky at the same time.

I'm an ex-Catholic, btw.
I was kidding...
LOL! I started to suspect that after I posted, got diarrhea of the fingers, I guees. . Now I feel silly. its all good. Peace.
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I graduated HS in 89, so I was a bit too young for the real first wave.

I love the music, so I think the more people listen to it the better. I wasted far too much time in my youth worrying about who was or was not a poseur, so I don't worry about it anymore. Are the 16 year olds all dressed up in tiny plaid kilts and leather collars and green hair silly? Sure they are, just like I was silly at 16, just like all kids should be.
I do get a little annoyed when said kids think that just because I am in my 30s and do not have green hair I must be a big square and have no idea, but then I remember that I used to think the same thing at their age, and I smile at them.
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The only thing I don't like is the younger crowds or bands doing remakes or covers and acting like this "new" song is awesome. Learn some history. You can certainly still enjoy the new version but just understand what has already happened.
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this reminds me of when pearl jam re-did "Last Kiss" and I was playing it in the car and my MOM sang along. Being the smart-ass kid I was/am, was all,"How do YOU know this song-it just came out.." She then told me the song was older than I was. Ooops!
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My nephew is 14, and he loves all the old bands, he doesn't really like any new ones. I think the newest band he likes is Nirvana, and then everyone going back. Best presents to get him are CDs by the Beatles, the Sex Pistols, the Ramones and the Who. But he doesn't act like he discovered it first or anything. Quite the opposite - when he first started to get into the old music, he asked my advice on a lot of stuff that he should be listening to. Which bands, which albums, etc.
I wish I had someone like you when I was a teenager. If I wanted to find some new to me music, I had to do it the hard way. Researching the influences of the bands I liked, then going out and buying the cassette or cd. Sometimes I got some gems, but it sucked when I didn't because I didn't have a lot of money.
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