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Old 02-09-2009, 09:40 PM   #21
 
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I'm curious how many of you anti-death penalty curlies feel the injustice of abortion is equal to or worse than Capitol Punishment. BTW I am against both, but since you were talking about the blood of innocents...

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Nope. Don't equate the two, never will. Sorry.

But I commend you. At least you're being consistent with your beliefs surrounding the sanctity of what you feel represents life. Unlike my mother, for example, and as you said, a lot of conservatives.

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Anyone can get involved in the Innocence Project: www.innocenceproject.org

I have been involved with trying to get 3 men released from prison who were falsely convicted of murder. Just this past year DNA tests were done and none of their DNA matches anything to do with the crime scene or the victims. www.wm3.org is their website and I also recommend watching the 2 HBO documentaries: Paradise Lost and Paradise Lost 2 about the crime and trials. In addition, there is a great book, Devil's Knot, that chronicles the murders along with background about the people involved. This case makes me sick. The same judge that presided over the original trials is presiding over the appeals. Of course he isn't going to admit there were errors in the first trial when he was the one in control. Just makes me so sad and angry knowing these 3 men have been in jail for the past 16 years without an ounce of evidence.
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Old 02-10-2009, 05:42 AM   #23
 
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Not one person said they were pro-abortion.

I don't believe in abortion for me in most cases, but I do believe that it's not up to me to decide what someone else believes. I am anti-death penalty as well.
Perfect. That's exactly what I believe.
Yes, thank you. I get so annoyed when someone says I am pro-abortion. I am pro-choice, and to me it's about not dictating to women what to do with their own bodies like they can't handle tough choices on their own, because that is a scary slippery slope.
I get equally annoyed when people use the term "choice". How about I say pro-abortion rights?
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Perfect. That's exactly what I believe.
Yes, thank you. I get so annoyed when someone says I am pro-abortion. I am pro-choice, and to me it's about not dictating to women what to do with their own bodies like they can't handle tough choices on their own, because that is a scary slippery slope.
I get equally annoyed when people use the term "choice". How about I say pro-abortion rights?
Sure, but how about you use that term in a thread that you start about abortion rather than a thread that I started about the death penalty? Kaythanxbye.
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Perfect. That's exactly what I believe.
Yes, thank you. I get so annoyed when someone says I am pro-abortion. I am pro-choice, and to me it's about not dictating to women what to do with their own bodies like they can't handle tough choices on their own, because that is a scary slippery slope.
I get equally annoyed when people use the term "choice". How about I say pro-abortion rights?
Only if I can call you anti-choice.
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Old 02-10-2009, 07:47 AM   #26
 
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Yes, thank you. I get so annoyed when someone says I am pro-abortion. I am pro-choice, and to me it's about not dictating to women what to do with their own bodies like they can't handle tough choices on their own, because that is a scary slippery slope.
I get equally annoyed when people use the term "choice". How about I say pro-abortion rights?
Only if I can call you anti-choice.
I would have to say I'm not anti-choice. There are lots of things we have the right to make choices about. I don't feel ending a life is one of them.
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I get equally annoyed when people use the term "choice". How about I say pro-abortion rights?
Only if I can call you anti-choice.
I would have to say I'm not anti-choice. There are lots of things we have the right to make choices about. I don't feel ending a life is one of them.
It was tongue in cheek, you see. If you get to call me pro-abortion then i get to call you "anti-choice"

Anyways, springcurl asked this discussion be taken elsewhere, so if you want to continue this discussion I suggest you do. Otherwise, I'm pretty much done with it.
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I really didn't want to start a discussion about abortion. I was just curious if anybody other than me were opposed to both. I guess not all of us see a correlation.
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I am opposed to the death penalty and opposed to abortion as well.
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I am pro-choice but anti-abortion, it that makes sense. I am FOR ME having say so about my body, not the government, but I would never have considered abortion for myself. In my little fantasyland, I wish everyoen would just be nice and take care of the kids they make and then everythgin woudl be fine and dandy- only medically nessesary abortions would exist. But then you get rape, incest, pregnant 12 year olds, crack heads, etc. I am all abotu nobody suffering, so i guess if the choices are a person knowing they can't take care of the baby unborn and then born, and they choose to have an abortion, it's sad, but better then a child being born into a home that already isn't interested in caring for it. The truth is, just because people CAN put their chidlren up for adoption, doesn't mean they WILL. They just drag their kid wherever adn care for them when they feel like it. It's sick. I am pro- death penalty too. i think DNA proof should be required though. But if they do something horrible- give them death and lets not spend any more $$ or effort on their ass. WE are paying to care for THEM, when THEY did wrong. It's dumb.


After readingmy thread, i guess I am not anti-abortion. I just think it is a better alternative than babies and chidlren suffering. What about not supporting continuous abortions??? Like the chicks who go get one every few years or something crazy like that. I don't really know what my solution would be.
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I'm pro death penalty and largely anti abortion (although pro choice). I'd describe myself as a leftie.
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I'm curious how many of you anti-death penalty curlies feel the injustice of abortion is equal to or worse than Capitol Punishment. BTW I am against both, but since you were talking about the blood of innocents...

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,488644,00.html
I'm pro-choice and anti-dealth penalty. For ME, it's comparing apples and oranges. Also, i'm not only against the death penalty b/c an innocent person may be put to dealth.
Trenell, I agree with this exactly..
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I really didn't want to start a discussion about abortion. I was just curious if anybody other than me were opposed to both. I guess not all of us see a correlation.
The problem is that you're assuming everyone shares your view about at what point human life/consciousness/etc. begins - which is very much not the case. You're looking for a very conditional correlation, and just asking about opinions when you get right down to it, so it doesn't really go here (not that there aren't plenty of guanos on this site, hoo boy).

And I agree with shellibean. ETA: 'Cept the death penalty parts, but I'm anti-death penalty not mainly for the chance of innocence, though that is really awful, but for practical reasons: because the DP costs so dang much with all of the appeals and such built into the system, and often just acts like a life sentence with lots of expensive lawyer-talk.
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