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Old 02-10-2009, 08:45 AM   #21
 
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I never understood it since we didn't have probs in the past..wtf would cause use to have them now? :dunno:
I have to vaccinate my kid for their protection, that's for sure...jmo

I don't think that vaccines cause autism. But it could be a variety of things causing the increase in diagnoses. For one thing, I think people are diagnosing disorders in kids whereas before there was a "Oh, he's just weird" attitude.
Also, there are so many more additives in foods, fire retardants on everything we touch, plastics everywhere. Who knows how that stuff, especially building up in our systems over time is affecting us.
And though we have been vaccinating for decades, the number of shots kids get has shot up, and the number of shots they get at a single time at a young age. I don't think it causes autism, but I wonder how safe it really is to give a 2 month old 5 shots that contain 8 different vaccines, or whatever it is that the schedule says.
And before anyone calls me an idiot, I did vaccinate my kids. I did not follow the CDC schedule, but we worked out a more reasonable one with our pediatrician.
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I did not follow the CDC schedule, but we worked out a more reasonable one with our pediatrician.
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Rubella, chicken pox etc. may not be serious for a healthy child, but they can cause BIG problems for pregnant women, people with weakened immune systems, etc. It's not just about what it does to your child but what it does to the people around them.
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And before anyone calls me an idiot, I did vaccinate my kids. I did not follow the CDC schedule, but we worked out a more reasonable one with our pediatrician.
We were military directed for the first 18 months of my child's life. Kind of in the mindset to not question anything. In hindsight I would have changed that. I for one used the term idiot and probably came across as harsh because I do believe their are always exceptions. Spiritual convictions certainly could be included. I still strongly feel that in the majority of cases parents need to ensure their children get the immunizations and care their child deserves and take considerable deligence to do that as it works for them.
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I did not follow the CDC schedule, but we worked out a more reasonable one with our pediatrician.
Same here.
Me, too, and I'm not an idiot either.
I'm not concerned about autism, but allergies, foreign substances in the body, etc. Not vaccinating was definitely not an option for us with the travelling that we do and J being in day care and play school.
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Old 02-10-2009, 09:40 AM   #26
 
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FYI, with the chicken pox vaccine, your child can still contract the disease, but supposedly, his symptoms won't be as severe as if he were never vaccinated for it.
This happened with me. I got only 13 spots total, and there was virtually no discomfort.

I felt hugely betrayed at the time--I'd endured a shot!! But it was very well worth it. Also, my brother had been vaccinated, too, and he did not get sick.

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I did not follow the CDC schedule, but we worked out a more reasonable one with our pediatrician.
Same here.

I have done this as well.


I think there has been some confusion between those that don't vaccinate their kids and those that do it on a different schedule. I believe every child should be handled differently. We give our children different amounts of antibiotic based on age and weight...but why do we treat our children the same when it comes to vaccinations? I believe the whole vaccination schedule needs to be re-evaluated. But who knows when that will occur.
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Rubella, chicken pox etc. may not be serious for a healthy child, but they can cause BIG problems for pregnant women, people with weakened immune systems, etc. It's not just about what it does to your child but what it does to the people around them.
This is what I was going to say, Amneris.

Also, the chicken pox an adult gets is much worse than the chicken pox a child gets. It can cause all sorts of things, including sterility. If a child doesn't get the vaccine and isn't exposed to chicken pox as a child (due to luck, homeschooling or whatever), s/he can be in a world of hurt if exposed as an adult.

There was an interesting article on webmd about this study, another similar study, and the link (or not) between vaccines and autism. Here's a link if anyone's interested.
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Also, the chicken pox an adult gets is much worse than the chicken pox a child gets. .
Aint that the truth. My aunt got it when she was in her 50's. She wound up in the hospital.

My brother got them when he was around 9 or 10. I hadn't gotten them yet, and I was 16. (this was in the 90's, so before the shot. I THINK) My mother, not wanting me to wind up in the hosiptial like her sister, made sure I got them.

i had never been so ill. I thought I was dying.


Bake to the topic. Isiaiah got his shots, but on a schedule I felt comfortable with.
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Is this the old British study that was retracted a while back (or at least all of the authors except the PI retracted?).

DD will be up-to-date on her shots by the time she starts school. But for now, I'm taking it easy and spreading them out. I was more on schedule with DS's shots but I swear that even in the 2 years between the two of them, there have been more shots added.

I agree with those who think that the schedule needs to be re-vamped, or at least alternative schedules for interested parents should be readily available. So much of Public Health is geared to the lowest-common denominator. If the end goal is compliance, then you need to give as many shots as you can in as few visits. Sorry, but my newborn baby doesn't need 4 shots (exposure to 9 antigens and all the other crap that goes into vaccines) in one visit.
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I had a patient several years ago, a 10 yo boy who died from chicken pox, his went all the way down his throat and he suffered CNS damage that resulted in his death. My cousin had measles when she was 2 years old, got meningitis from the measles infection and lost her hearing. Both kids previously healthy with no sign of immune problems. Some times these "normal" childhood diseases are not as mundane as we think they are.
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I have one child that is vaccinated, and one child that is not vaccinated yet.

I prefer to be an idiot.
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I have one child that is vaccinated, and one child that is not vaccinated yet.

I prefer to be an idiot.
What made you decide to vaccinate one and not the other? What changed?
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Eilonwy, has there been a new development? This article is from yesterday but I've known about the Wakefield vaccine study controversy for years. I know that I, as well as goldy, have posted about it.
This is, actually, new evidence. The original controversy centered around having a small sample size and the type of data that was collected. What is coming to light is blatant falsification of data.
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Is this the old British study that was retracted a while back (or at least all of the authors except the PI retracted?).

DD will be up-to-date on her shots by the time she starts school. But for now, I'm taking it easy and spreading them out. I was more on schedule with DS's shots but I swear that even in the 2 years between the two of them, there have been more shots added.

I agree with those who think that the schedule needs to be re-vamped, or at least alternative schedules for interested parents should be readily available. So much of Public Health is geared to the lowest-common denominator. If the end goal is compliance, then you need to give as many shots as you can in as few visits. Sorry, but my newborn baby doesn't need 4 shots (exposure to 9 antigens and all the other crap that goes into vaccines) in one visit.
ms...how many vacs is your minimum at one time?
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And before anyone calls me an idiot, I did vaccinate my kids. I did not follow the CDC schedule, but we worked out a more reasonable one with our pediatrician.
We were military directed for the first 18 months of my child's life. Kind of in the mindset to not question anything. In hindsight I would have changed that. I for one used the term idiot and probably came across as harsh because I do believe their are always exceptions. Spiritual convictions certainly could be included. I still strongly feel that in the majority of cases parents need to ensure their children get the immunizations and care their child deserves and take considerable deligence to do that as it works for them.
Well, that's your prob right there!
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I never understood it since we didn't have probs in the past..wtf would cause use to have them now? :dunno:
I have to vaccinate my kid for their protection, that's for sure...jmo

I don't think that vaccines cause autism. But it could be a variety of things causing the increase in diagnoses. For one thing, I think people are diagnosing disorders in kids whereas before there was a "Oh, he's just weird" attitude.
Also, there are so many more additives in foods, fire retardants on everything we touch, plastics everywhere. Who knows how that stuff, especially building up in our systems over time is affecting us.
And though we have been vaccinating for decades, the number of shots kids get has shot up, and the number of shots they get at a single time at a young age. I don't think it causes autism, but I wonder how safe it really is to give a 2 month old 5 shots that contain 8 different vaccines, or whatever it is that the schedule says.
And before anyone calls me an idiot, I did vaccinate my kids. I did not follow the CDC schedule, but we worked out a more reasonable one with our pediatrician.
Absolutely.
And now w/ the return of TB & hep A vacs..scary stuff
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My brother got them when he was around 9 or 10. I hadn't gotten them yet, and I was 16. (this was in the 90's, so before the shot. I THINK) My mother, not wanting me to wind up in the hosiptial like her sister, made sure I got them.
Welp here's another PSA: Doctors recommend against exposing your children to chicken pox. You never know if it could go terribly wrong (like the child mentioned in this thread, who died from it).
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I have one child that is vaccinated, and one child that is not vaccinated yet.

I prefer to be an idiot.
I know a message board comment won't change your mind, but you are subjecting one of your children to a known risk because you are worried about an unknown risk. Unvaccinated children have died of preventable diseases in the US and UK, but there is no link between vaccines and autism.

Also, I remember that in a past thread, you stated that you don't get flu shots partly because "they can cause the flu." In fact, they can't cause the flu, because they use a dead virus. So, well, I hope you've done your research.

I just felt I had to say it. You can tell me I'm being nosy or calling you a bad mom (which I'm not) or whatever.
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This is, actually, new evidence. The original controversy centered around having a small sample size and the type of data that was collected. What is coming to light is blatant falsification of data.
I see. I remember the original study being discredited but couldn't remember why.

Wile - I've tried to do 2 shots per visit (every 3 months or so), with the exception of pentacel (5 shots in one). Did that one on its own.

I don't really have a schedule, but my doctor has been helping me out at each visit deciding what to do next. I big puffy heart him and his willingness to work with his patients concerns.

I've heard that the Dr. Sears book is very useful, but our vaxes and vax schedule is different in Canada and so its not as easy to follow his schedule here.
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