Holiday in the USA - updated!

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Forget the middle of the country...nothing to see there.
Originally Posted by RedCatWaves
Thank you for the pass over, coming from you it's a compliment.

The Midwest is boring, which is very nice and peaceful. Full of fresh air, no crime, lots of farms, good food, friendly people, slower paced and other boring things to see.
Forget the middle of the country...nothing to see there.
Originally Posted by RedCatWaves
Thank you for the pass over, coming from you it's a compliment.

The Midwest is boring, which is very nice and peaceful. Full of fresh air, no crime, lots of farms, good food, friendly people, slower paced and other boring things to see.
Originally Posted by hayseedlady
I disagree that the Midwest is boring. St. Louis, Chicago, and Kansas City all have lots of great stuff going on. There's also A LOT of history there, if you care to look - Springfield, IL is full of Lincoln history - it's Mr. Lincoln's hometown, after all. The only home he ever owned is there, and he is buried in Springfield's Oak Ridge Cemetery.

Anyway. I know that people don't go to the Midwest unless they're visiting relatives but it certainly has a lot to offer if you just open your mind.
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Forget the middle of the country...nothing to see there.
Originally Posted by RedCatWaves
Thank you for the pass over, coming from you it's a compliment.

The Midwest is boring, which is very nice and peaceful. Full of fresh air, no crime, lots of farms, good food, friendly people, slower paced and other boring things to see.
Originally Posted by hayseedlady
I disagree that the Midwest is boring. St. Louis, Chicago, and Kansas City all have lots of great stuff going on. There's also A LOT of history there, if you care to look - Springfield, IL is full of Lincoln history - it's Mr. Lincoln's hometown, after all. The only home he ever owned is there, and he is buried in Springfield's Oak Ridge Cemetery.

Anyway. I know that people don't go to the Midwest unless they're visiting relatives but it certainly has a lot to offer if you just open your mind.
Originally Posted by PartyHair
It has a lot to offer, but I think most people agree that if you're on a time limit and a budget, there are more 'exciting' or at least more largely accepted 'tourist spots' in other areas of the country.

Texas is full of culture too, but it wouldn't really come to mind as a place where I'd tell someone from another country "Hey, you HAVE to visit here!"

There's areas of interest, but it's not a must-see like NYC or Vegas.
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Thank you for the pass over, coming from you it's a compliment.

The Midwest is boring, which is very nice and peaceful. Full of fresh air, no crime, lots of farms, good food, friendly people, slower paced and other boring things to see.
Originally Posted by hayseedlady
I disagree that the Midwest is boring. St. Louis, Chicago, and Kansas City all have lots of great stuff going on. There's also A LOT of history there, if you care to look - Springfield, IL is full of Lincoln history - it's Mr. Lincoln's hometown, after all. The only home he ever owned is there, and he is buried in Springfield's Oak Ridge Cemetery.

Anyway. I know that people don't go to the Midwest unless they're visiting relatives but it certainly has a lot to offer if you just open your mind.
Originally Posted by PartyHair
It has a lot to offer, but I think most people agree that if you're on a time limit and a budget, there are more 'exciting' or at least more largely accepted 'tourist spots' in other areas of the country.

Texas is full of culture too, but it wouldn't really come to mind as a place where I'd tell someone from another country "Hey, you HAVE to visit here!"

There's areas of interest, but it's not a must-see like NYC or Vegas.
Originally Posted by MimsTX
Oh I agree that it isn't a "must-see" but to dismiss it outright like RCW did? That's also ridiculous.

Also, I don't consider Vegas a must-see at all. NYC, definitely. I'd also say Washington, DC is a must-see. Some kind of mountains, yes, a national park like Yosemite, yes...but not Vegas. Pictures are enough.
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"Must-see" is in the eye of the beholder.

The problem with the midwest is it's all fairly subtle and you need to look for things that are cool about it. It doesn't all hit you over the head, like NY, SF, etc. But some people might appreciate that sort of thing.

I've had some of the best travel experiences in places off the beaten path small towns and cities in Poland, a northern coastal Peruvian village, a town most people never heard of in France. Admittedly, this type of travel is not for everybody.
Vegas has never appealed to me. It just seems overly bright and loud, and not my scene. Plenty of people are obviously drawn to it though.
Mount Rushmore also doesn't seem that interesting to me.
I live in NY, so I'm biased in thinking NYC is a great place. The thing is, it wasn't until I went to school in RI that I realized it. Rhode Island was a horrible place (sorry to those who live in RI) and even if I could have afforded two more years of school there, I wouldn't have lasted that long there. I was practically ready to kiss the filthy NY concrete whenever I could get away. So yeah, I think people who visit the US should definitely come to NY, even if it is expensive.
Las Vegas is an extremely bizarre and artificial place. Imagine spending a few days in a noisy, sprawling-yet-claustrophobic, smoke-filled, booze-soaked shopping mall...with strippers, gambling, and $2 steaks. I'm not such a fan. I've been there maybe a dozen times, and I've always found it to be pretty unsettling.

On the other hand, most of the places there have lots of free attractions, in an attempt to entice you to play the slots. If you're not a gambler and you don't party, and you're willing to spend time away from the strip, you get a lot of bang for your buck. But then, if you don't gamble or party, why bother flying there?

Then again, you will find hordes of stereotypically grotesque American tourists. If you want juicy stories about Americans with which to delight and disgust your friends, Las Vegas is your best bet (not that's not supposed to be some kind of pun ugh).

Last edited by Eilonwy; 02-16-2009 at 02:37 PM.
Las Vegas is an extremely bizarre and artificial place. Imagine spending a few days in a noisy, sprawling-yet-claustrophobic, smoke-filled, booze-soaked shopping mall...with strippers, gambling, and $2 steaks. I'm not such a fan. I've been there maybe a dozen times, and I've always found it to be pretty unsettling.

On the other hand, most of the places there have lots of free attractions, in an attempt to entice you to play the slots. If you're not a gambler and you don't party, and you're willing to spend time away from the strip, you get a lot of bang for your buck. But then, if you don't gamble or party, why bother flying there?

Then again, you will find hordes of stereotypically grotesque American tourists. If you want juicy stories about Americans with which to delight and disgust your friends, Las Vegas is your best bet (not that's not supposed to be some kind of pun ugh).
Originally Posted by Eilonwy
if you're not usch a fan, why go a dozen times? I would think that after the 6th time, you'd have said, "Yeah, I am not a fan" and chosen somewhere else to go.
Going for work or something is one thing, but you don't make it sound like you've gone for work.
if you're not usch a fan, why go a dozen times? I would think that after the 6th time, you'd have said, "Yeah, I am not a fan" and chosen somewhere else to go.
Going for work or something is one thing, but you don't make it sound like you've gone for work.
Originally Posted by M2LRToo
LOL, I haven't been since I was 17. It wasn't my choice! And for the record, my parents would only gamble $10 tops on each trip, and they certainly didn't party! If you live in one of the neighboring states, it's a very convenient vacation spot. I'm just not sure if it's worth traveling thousands of miles.

Man I am sowing the seeds of discord in this thread (Don't worry, I'm not taking offense.)

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if you're not usch a fan, why go a dozen times? I would think that after the 6th time, you'd have said, "Yeah, I am not a fan" and chosen somewhere else to go.
Going for work or something is one thing, but you don't make it sound like you've gone for work.
Originally Posted by M2LRToo
LOL, I haven't been since I was 17. It wasn't my choice! And for the record, my parents would only gamble $10 tops on each trip, and they certainly didn't party! If you live in one of the neighboring states, it's a very convenient vacation spot. I'm just not sure if it's worth traveling thousands of miles.

Man I am sowing the seeds of discord in this thread (Don't worry, I'm not taking offense.)
Originally Posted by Eilonwy
I am not worried, and wouldn't be even if you had taken offense.

Clarifying that these 12 trips were done before you turned 17 and were family trips since you lived in the area, would have made more sense.
I am not worried, and wouldn't be even if you had taken offense.
Originally Posted by M2LRToo
Yeah, I didn't think you would be. I just figured I should err on the side of caution.

I've posted my age quite a few times over the years, and I remember other posters' general ages, so I thought I didn't need to post it again.

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New York City is a must see if you've never been to the USA. Every year I am the cheesy tourist taking a picture of TImes Square.
San Fransisco, the Carmel / Big Sur area in California is also a gorgeous place.
Washington D.C. in April when the cherry blossoms bloom is Heaven.
Chicago in the Summer, so much to do and see. Some of the best dining experiences I've ever had were there.
New Orleans, the food, to. die. for. This city is amazing, the culture, the history, the music, Mardi Gras. I love this place, I dream of it.
Miami, Florida. The Keys if you can make it a two day trip, fun lovely sizzly hot place. The grass makes you want to go barefoot.

Keep us posted on what you decide..
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Forget the middle of the country...nothing to see there.
Originally Posted by RedCatWaves
Thank you for the pass over, coming from you it's a compliment.

The Midwest is boring, which is very nice and peaceful. Full of fresh air, no crime, lots of farms, good food, friendly people, slower paced and other boring things to see.
Originally Posted by hayseedlady
I disagree that the Midwest is boring. St. Louis, Chicago, and Kansas City all have lots of great stuff going on. There's also A LOT of history there, if you care to look - Springfield, IL is full of Lincoln history - it's Mr. Lincoln's hometown, after all. The only home he ever owned is there, and he is buried in Springfield's Oak Ridge Cemetery.

Anyway. I know that people don't go to the Midwest unless they're visiting relatives but it certainly has a lot to offer if you just open your mind.
Originally Posted by PartyHair
Still nothing like the what either coast has to offer, every state has historical places that are interesting. It's a good place to live and then go visit the more interesting cities.
Forget the middle of the country...nothing to see there.
Originally Posted by RedCatWaves
Thank you for the pass over, coming from you it's a compliment.

The Midwest is boring, which is very nice and peaceful. Full of fresh air, no crime, lots of farms, good food, friendly people, slower paced and other boring things to see.
Originally Posted by hayseedlady
I disagree that the Midwest is boring. St. Louis, Chicago, and Kansas City all have lots of great stuff going on. There's also A LOT of history there, if you care to look - Springfield, IL is full of Lincoln history - it's Mr. Lincoln's hometown, after all. The only home he ever owned is there, and he is buried in Springfield's Oak Ridge Cemetery.

Anyway. I know that people don't go to the Midwest unless they're visiting relatives but it certainly has a lot to offer if you just open your mind.
Originally Posted by PartyHair

VERY much agree with the bolded. i'm biased because i'm from the midwest and i get kinda tired of the coasts poo-pooing us, but if you're outdoorsy, there is a LOT to see and do.

plus a LOT of great local dishes.

it's fun off the beaten path.

although i do agree with others: if your goal is a quick tour of the u.s. and you only have so much time, you will probably only want to visit one part of the midwest.

but i don't think you can have a visit to the states without a visit to the midwist.

just my two cents.
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Oh I agree that it isn't a "must-see" but to dismiss it outright like RCW did? That's also ridiculous.
Originally Posted by PartyHair

I've driven cross-country several times, and have tried to take time to enjoy things along the way. I really haven't seen much in the midwest to attract a tourist. If one HAS to travel through it, it can be made interesting (great BBQ in Oklahoma, Mississippi River and Tom and Becky's cave in Missouri), but the length of travel between interesting sites makes it difficult to include the subtle flavor of the Midwest in a short visit of the USA. That better?
Thanks for all the information. At the moment, we are still planning our trip, but I will, of course, let you all know what we decide upon. I will also bore you all with details of the trip when I get back!

We will only be going to Las Vegas for a day, or something like that. We just want to visit there, walk along where all the lights are and gamble a few dollars. The Grand Canyon is fairly nearby (I think) so it's worth going to that area for us.

It is incredibly hard working out where to go. There are so so so many areas of the USA we would love to visit. Initially we had big ideas about nipping over to Mexico or Canada, but have cut these out now. I would love to visit Memphis, Texas, Boston, Chicago, Colorado and tons of other places, but for time and money reasons, I won't be able to. Not on this visit anyway! I'm so excited. I hope I didn't offend anyone by asking about what the 'middle bit' has. I'm just not familiar with what is where. I don't doubt there are lots of amazing places to visit all over the USA. I'm just being a typical tourist and heading for the really famous attractions.
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We will only be going to Las Vegas for a day, or something like that. We just want to visit there, walk along where all the lights are and gamble a few dollars. The Grand Canyon is fairly nearby (I think) so it's worth going to that area for us.
Originally Posted by Piglet
It's about 5 hours from Vegas to the Grand Canyon. Also, while in Vegas, you are going to want to see Hoover Dam.
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We will only be going to Las Vegas for a day, or something like that. We just want to visit there, walk along where all the lights are and gamble a few dollars. The Grand Canyon is fairly nearby (I think) so it's worth going to that area for us.
Originally Posted by Piglet
It's about 5 hours from Vegas to the Grand Canyon. Also, while in Vegas, you are going to want to see Hoover Dam.
Originally Posted by gekko422
ITA about Hoover Dam and the Grand Canyon.
Forget the middle of the country...nothing to see there.
Originally Posted by RedCatWaves
Thank you for the pass over, coming from you it's a compliment.

The Midwest is boring, which is very nice and peaceful. Full of fresh air, no crime, lots of farms, good food, friendly people, slower paced and other boring things to see.
Originally Posted by hayseedlady
I disagree that the Midwest is boring. St. Louis, Chicago, and Kansas City all have lots of great stuff going on. There's also A LOT of history there, if you care to look - Springfield, IL is full of Lincoln history - it's Mr. Lincoln's hometown, after all. The only home he ever owned is there, and he is buried in Springfield's Oak Ridge Cemetery.

Anyway. I know that people don't go to the Midwest unless they're visiting relatives but it certainly has a lot to offer if you just open your mind.
Originally Posted by PartyHair
Ahem, hello Indianapolis anyone? A great, clean, friendly city with a few decent museums, lots of sports and good old Americana like the 500 and State Fair.

And, we have claim to Lincoln too, he spent his formative years in Indiana (ages 7-21). So Hoosier call Indiana the land of Lincoln as well
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