11y/o Kills Fathers Pregnant G/F

There's gotta be more to this story that they'll hopefully uncover.
And an 11-year-old in prison with other adult prisoners is a scary thought.
Originally Posted by Sairis
I think he goes to a juvenile prison until the age of 18 and then he serves out the rest of his sentence in an adult prison. Still scary though.
Originally Posted by Xyz
That bugs me too. I hate to write off kids as unredeemable. I do believe they need to be punished and severely. But this feels like we're throwing them away almost. I wish there was a different solution.

What also bugs me, is life sentences aren't always for life. I can't imagine what it might be like for some 50 or 60 year old to be released after a being in prision since s/he was a child, who has absolutely no real world experience in anything. For them and us.

The whole thing is just sad.
This story is just difficult to process. I can't wrap my head around a kid planning to shoot someone in cold blood and actually going through with it.
Originally Posted by Sairis
A lot of mental illnesses first emerge during puberty. It seems pretty likely that that's what happened here, combined with a young child's inability to understand the gravity and permanence of death.

In any event, a person's life should not be defined by what they did at age 11. I really hope that he gets a sympathetic judge.
Kids are impulsive and sometimes irrational. This is why they shouldn't have free access to firearms.
Originally Posted by RedCatWaves
Exactly.
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A lot of mental illnesses first emerge during puberty. It seems pretty likely that that's what happened here, combined with a young child's inability to understand the gravity and permanence of death.

In any event, a person's life should not be defined by what they did at age 11. I really hope that he gets a sympathetic judge.
Originally Posted by Eilonwy
in general i would agree that a person's life shouldnt be defined by what they did when they were 11, but we're not talking about stealing bubblegum or picking on the neighborhood geek. he killed a sleeping pregnant women execution style. im not sure why he would need a sympathetic judge. theyre not going to lock him up and throw away the key.
in general i would agree that a person's life shouldnt be defined by what they did when they were 11, but we're not talking about stealing bubblegum or picking on the neighborhood geek. he killed a sleeping pregnant women execution style. im not sure why he would need a sympathetic judge.
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A lot of mental illnesses first emerge during puberty. It seems pretty likely that that's what happened here, combined with a young child's inability to understand the gravity and permanence of death.

In any event, a person's life should not be defined by what they did at age 11. I really hope that he gets a sympathetic judge.
Originally Posted by Eilonwy
in general i would agree that a person's life shouldnt be defined by what they did when they were 11, but we're not talking about stealing bubblegum or picking on the neighborhood geek. he killed a sleeping pregnant women execution style. im not sure why he would need a sympathetic judge. theyre not going to lock him up and throw away the key.
Originally Posted by subbrock
They might. It wouldn't be the first time. I don't exactly remember the name of the boy, but a 14? year old did something similar and I believe he got life without parole. There are quite a few kids with L W O P. Like in the thousands. Although some people don't consider teens to be children, so I'm not sure how many non-teen children have been given L W O P, if any (probably not since Lionel Tate's sentence was overturned). I would consider even 25 to life to be throwing away the key. I don't have an alternative solution, though. So sad.
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A lot of mental illnesses first emerge during puberty. It seems pretty likely that that's what happened here, combined with a young child's inability to understand the gravity and permanence of death.

In any event, a person's life should not be defined by what they did at age 11. I really hope that he gets a sympathetic judge.
Originally Posted by Eilonwy
in general i would agree that a person's life shouldnt be defined by what they did when they were 11, but we're not talking about stealing bubblegum or picking on the neighborhood geek. he killed a sleeping pregnant women execution style. im not sure why he would need a sympathetic judge. theyre not going to lock him up and throw away the key.
Originally Posted by subbrock
I agree with Subbrock on this one. This is quite different than your usual 11 yr. old kid hijinks.
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theyre not going to lock him up and throw away the key.
Originally Posted by subbrock
If the kid isn't a sociopath then counseling and rehabilitation would do a lot more good, especially since he's so young. Otherwise, if/when he does get out, he'll be in really bad shape.
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Um...so Im the only one here who has a problem with children being allowed a gun? Wow- I guess things really are different in the uk to other countries. Jesus Christ.
Originally Posted by kat180
I grew up around them, so I guess I don't see it as such a big deal. Kids hunt, and kids usually can't use an adult sized gun.

But, any responsible gun owner knows that you don't keep guns unlocked with kids around.

Phoenix, I can relate to your story.

I find it odd that the Dad noticed no issues. I wonder if he was so busyt shtupping his girlfiend that his son suffered a little benign neglect.
Originally Posted by redcelticcurls
This makes the most sense to me. And I wonder if the neglect was "benign." Not that what the boy did is justifiable, but what kind of parent doesn't notice violent rage at that level?

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