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Old 02-22-2009, 04:16 PM   #21
 
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There's gotta be more to this story that they'll hopefully uncover.
And an 11-year-old in prison with other adult prisoners is a scary thought.
I think he goes to a juvenile prison until the age of 18 and then he serves out the rest of his sentence in an adult prison. Still scary though.
That bugs me too. I hate to write off kids as unredeemable. I do believe they need to be punished and severely. But this feels like we're throwing them away almost. I wish there was a different solution.

What also bugs me, is life sentences aren't always for life. I can't imagine what it might be like for some 50 or 60 year old to be released after a being in prision since s/he was a child, who has absolutely no real world experience in anything. For them and us.

The whole thing is just sad.
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Old 02-22-2009, 04:16 PM   #22
 
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This story is just difficult to process. I can't wrap my head around a kid planning to shoot someone in cold blood and actually going through with it.
A lot of mental illnesses first emerge during puberty. It seems pretty likely that that's what happened here, combined with a young child's inability to understand the gravity and permanence of death.

In any event, a person's life should not be defined by what they did at age 11. I really hope that he gets a sympathetic judge.
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Kids are impulsive and sometimes irrational. This is why they shouldn't have free access to firearms.
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A lot of mental illnesses first emerge during puberty. It seems pretty likely that that's what happened here, combined with a young child's inability to understand the gravity and permanence of death.

In any event, a person's life should not be defined by what they did at age 11. I really hope that he gets a sympathetic judge.
in general i would agree that a person's life shouldnt be defined by what they did when they were 11, but we're not talking about stealing bubblegum or picking on the neighborhood geek. he killed a sleeping pregnant women execution style. im not sure why he would need a sympathetic judge. theyre not going to lock him up and throw away the key.
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in general i would agree that a person's life shouldnt be defined by what they did when they were 11, but we're not talking about stealing bubblegum or picking on the neighborhood geek. he killed a sleeping pregnant women execution style. im not sure why he would need a sympathetic judge.
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A lot of mental illnesses first emerge during puberty. It seems pretty likely that that's what happened here, combined with a young child's inability to understand the gravity and permanence of death.

In any event, a person's life should not be defined by what they did at age 11. I really hope that he gets a sympathetic judge.
in general i would agree that a person's life shouldnt be defined by what they did when they were 11, but we're not talking about stealing bubblegum or picking on the neighborhood geek. he killed a sleeping pregnant women execution style. im not sure why he would need a sympathetic judge. theyre not going to lock him up and throw away the key.
They might. It wouldn't be the first time. I don't exactly remember the name of the boy, but a 14? year old did something similar and I believe he got life without parole. There are quite a few kids with L W O P. Like in the thousands. Although some people don't consider teens to be children, so I'm not sure how many non-teen children have been given L W O P, if any (probably not since Lionel Tate's sentence was overturned). I would consider even 25 to life to be throwing away the key. I don't have an alternative solution, though. So sad.
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A lot of mental illnesses first emerge during puberty. It seems pretty likely that that's what happened here, combined with a young child's inability to understand the gravity and permanence of death.

In any event, a person's life should not be defined by what they did at age 11. I really hope that he gets a sympathetic judge.
in general i would agree that a person's life shouldnt be defined by what they did when they were 11, but we're not talking about stealing bubblegum or picking on the neighborhood geek. he killed a sleeping pregnant women execution style. im not sure why he would need a sympathetic judge. theyre not going to lock him up and throw away the key.
I agree with Subbrock on this one. This is quite different than your usual 11 yr. old kid hijinks.
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theyre not going to lock him up and throw away the key.
If the kid isn't a sociopath then counseling and rehabilitation would do a lot more good, especially since he's so young. Otherwise, if/when he does get out, he'll be in really bad shape.
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Um...so Im the only one here who has a problem with children being allowed a gun? Wow- I guess things really are different in the uk to other countries. Jesus Christ.
I grew up around them, so I guess I don't see it as such a big deal. Kids hunt, and kids usually can't use an adult sized gun.

But, any responsible gun owner knows that you don't keep guns unlocked with kids around.

Phoenix, I can relate to your story.

I find it odd that the Dad noticed no issues. I wonder if he was so busyt shtupping his girlfiend that his son suffered a little benign neglect.
This makes the most sense to me. And I wonder if the neglect was "benign." Not that what the boy did is justifiable, but what kind of parent doesn't notice violent rage at that level?
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