11y/o Kills Fathers Pregnant G/F

Has anyone heard about this? So sad


(CNN) -- An 11-year-old boy is facing adult charges in the shooting death of his father's pregnant girlfriend, authorities said Saturday. Police say the boy shot Kenzie Marie Houk, who was eight months pregnant, once at point-blank range in her farmhouse in western Pennsylvania.

The boy, whose name was withheld by CNN because he is a juvenile, was charged with one count each of criminal homicide and homicide of an unborn child in the death of Houk, 26, Lawrence County District Attorney John Bongivengo told CNN.

Houk's 4-year-old daughter found her in her bed Friday, according to police. The child alerted landscapers working near the home, who then called police.

"This is something that you wouldn't even think of in your worst nightmare, that you'd have to charge an 11-year-old with homicide," Bongivengo said, according to CNN affiliate WTAE. "It's heinous, the whole situation."

Under Pennsylvania law, anyone over the age of 10 accused of murder or homicide is charged as an adult. If convicted, the boy faces a maximum sentence of life in prison, Bongivengo said.

Authorities said the boy is the son of the victim's live-in boyfriend at the home in Wampum, about 35 miles northwest of Pittsburgh.

"At this point, we don't believe it's accidental," Bongivengo said.

The weapon was a youth model 20-gauge shotgun, designed for use by children, that belonged to the boy, according to investigators.

Bongivengo told reporters the household has no history of child abuse, but that an investigation is ongoing.

Calls to the boy's public defender, Dennis Elisco, went unanswered Saturday.
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Sad, true. Infuriating? Also true. Let me LIST the reasons why:
*They make shotguns for children?! FOR children to use?! Nobody sees a problem with that?
*The dad bought his son the shotgun...or someone did
*He had unsupervised access to said gun.
*The shooting is thought to not be an accident
*PA law says anyone over 10 gets charged as an adult. Didn't know that. Gotta love my state. Why 10? Probably something from back when people lived til 40. Update, anyone?
*Where was the dad?
*He shot her in bed? Like an execution?
*Didn't anyone see their relationship going South?
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Yeah, this is somewhat local to me, so it's all over the news.

It's not unusual for kids to hunt with their Dads, so it's not so unusual to have a child sized gun. I don't have an issue with that, but no kid should have unsupervized access to said gun.
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There's gotta be more to this story that they'll hopefully uncover.
And an 11-year-old in prison with other adult prisoners is a scary thought.
It's not unusual for kids to hunt with their Dads, so it's not so unusual to have a child sized gun. I don't have an issue with that, but no kid should have unsupervized access to said gun.
Originally Posted by redcelticcurls
Seriously - while the idea of "guns for kids" makes me uncomfortable, even while supervised, why wasn't that gun locked up by a responsible adult?
*He shot her in bed? Like an execution?
From what I read in The Associated Press (via Yahoo news) version, he shot her in the back of the head while she slept. So yeah - execution style, and while she was sleeping, so she never even had a chance to run for it.

Edit - Yeah, it's mentioned in the AP version of the article:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090222/...Fib3kxMWFjY3Vz

Pa. boy, 11, accused of killing dad's girlfriend

By RAMIT PLUSHNICK-MASTI, Associated Press Writer – 1 hr 36 mins ago

WAMPUM, Pa. – Fifth-grader Jordan Brown boarded the bus and headed to school like he did most other mornings in this rural western Pennsylvania community.

But before he left home on Friday, authorities say, the 11-year-old boy had shot his father's pregnant fiancee in the back of the head as she lay in bed. He then put his youth model 20-gauge shotgun back in his room before going out to catch his bus, police say.

Brown was charged Saturday as an adult in the death of 26-year-old Kenzie Marie Houk, who was eight months pregnant, Lawrence County District Attorney John Bongivengo said. Houk's fetus died within minutes due to a lack of oxygen, Lawrence County Coroner Russell Noga said.

Houk's family and friends, who gathered at her parents' house Saturday night, told The Associated Press that there had been past problems with the boy.

"He actually told my son that he wanted to do that to her," said Houk's brother-in-law, Jason Kraner. "There was an issue with jealousy."

Pennsylvania State Police found Houk's body in the rented farmhouse after her 4-year-old daughter told tree cutters on the property she thought her mother was dead, Bongivengo said.

The boy told police there was a black truck on the property that morning — possibly the man who feeds the cows — sending investigators to follow a false lead for about five hours, Bongivengo said. Inconsistencies in Brown's description of the truck led police to re-interview Houk's 7-year-old daughter, who implicated the boy in the killing, Bongivengo said. State troopers went to get the boy at school.

"She didn't actually eyewitness the shooting. She saw him with what she believed to be a shotgun and heard a loud bang," Bongivengo said. The gun was found in a "location we believe to be in the defendant's bedroom."

Brown was arraigned and was being held in the Lawrence County Jail, with a preliminary hearing scheduled for Thursday.
"An 11-year-old kid — what would give him the motive to shoot someone?" said Houk's father, Jack Houk. "Maybe he was just jealous of my daughter and the baby and thought he would be overpowered."

Defense attorney Dennis Elisco said he plans to ask Monday for the boy to be released on bail and for the case to moved to juvenile court. Elisco and police said they had no clear motive for the shooting.

Elisco said he is waiting to see physical evidence that ties his young client to the killing.

"I don't think he knows what's going on," he said. "I walked out of there thinking he was innocent. I believe Jordan did not do this."

The boy's father, Christopher Brown, is "a mess" and had no indication his son had a problem with Houk, Elisco said.
"He's in a state of actual shock and disbelief," he said.
The shotgun used is designed for children and has a shorter arm and such weapons do not have to be registered, Bongivengo said. Jack Houk, 57, said the boy and his father used to practice shooting behind their farmhouse, and the two enjoyed going hunting together.

Wampum is about 45 miles northwest of Pittsburgh
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Yeah, this is somewhat local to me, so it's all over the news.

It's not unusual for kids to hunt with their Dads, so it's not so unusual to have a child sized gun. I don't have an issue with that, but no kid should have unsupervized access to said gun.
Originally Posted by redcelticcurls
Yeah, true. I grew up in the Burgh, as you know, so I get the hunting thing. Side story: My dad was a hunter also and he taught me how to use a gun. He also kept his guns in a zippered BAG under the bed in full view of me and anyone else who walked upstairs. I can't recall if he locked it! But times were different then. You can't do that anymore IMO.
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Um...so Im the only one here who has a problem with children being allowed a gun? Wow- I guess things really are different in the uk to other countries. Jesus Christ.
Um...so Im the only one here who has a problem with children being allowed a gun? Wow- I guess things really are different in the uk to other countries. Jesus Christ.
Originally Posted by kat180
Nope, not just you - I don't like it either. Supervised or not, stuff still happens.
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My son is 11 and I just can't wrap my head around this. I've seen angry kids before. I still can't grasp this.
How awful, so much pain.
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The thing is, is 11 years old old enough to realize your actions? I remember when I was eight, I went through a bit of a "bully" period. Yes, I was a little a.sshole, and I beat up another kid who just got on my nerves. I remember hitting her pretty hard, and later on, I thought to myself (when I was feeling pretty bad and pretty guilty about it), "What if I'd hit her hard enough that I killed her? What if I'd even hit her hard enough that I knocked her over and she hit her head on a rock or something?" I mean, I felt awful about it later, I realized that things can happen and that I could have hurt her much worse, even by accident, and I was eight. And it's not like I was some "wise-beyond-my-years" kid, because I wasn't. This kid was 11 - I mean, around that age, you have to think that the kid knows some semblance of right and wrong.
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Um...so Im the only one here who has a problem with children being allowed a gun? Wow- I guess things really are different in the uk to other countries. Jesus Christ.
Originally Posted by kat180
It really depends on the region. I don't know anyone who (openly) owns a gun. I certainly don't know anyone who hunts for sport (although, as unsettling as it is to know that people kill things just for fun, I'm no vegetarian and it may very well be more humane than factory farming).
Um...so Im the only one here who has a problem with children being allowed a gun? Wow- I guess things really are different in the uk to other countries. Jesus Christ.
Originally Posted by kat180
I grew up around them, so I guess I don't see it as such a big deal. Kids hunt, and kids usually can't use an adult sized gun.

But, any responsible gun owner knows that you don't keep guns unlocked with kids around.

Phoenix, I can relate to your story.

I find it odd that the Dad noticed no issues. I wonder if he was so busyt shtupping his girlfiend that his son suffered a little benign neglect.
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So he just went to school like nothing happened. And then he lied about it afterward. It was a guy in a black truck...

Soooo sad all the way around.
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I find it odd that the Dad noticed no issues. I wonder if he was so busyt shtupping his girlfiend that his son suffered a little benign neglect.
Originally Posted by redcelticcurls
I guess the Dad didn't notice, but apparently the kid told another kid who told his father - an adult relative - that he wanted to shoot her:
"He actually told my son that he wanted to do that to her," said Houk's brother-in-law, Jason Kraner. "There was an issue with jealousy."
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This story is just difficult to process. I can't wrap my head around a kid planning to shoot someone in cold blood and actually going through with it. I can even believe that the thought would cross his mind, but to the point that he made it a reality? I can say that kids can have very fanciful imaginations, and think all kinds of things (granted I never thought of killing anyone, but I thought some crazy stuff sometimes), but it tends to stay in the imagination and it's done.
Is there anything about the kid's reaction and state of mind now?
The thing is, is 11 years old old enough to realize your actions? I remember when I was eight, I went through a bit of a "bully" period. Yes, I was a little a.sshole, and I beat up another kid who just got on my nerves. I remember hitting her pretty hard, and later on, I thought to myself (when I was feeling pretty bad and pretty guilty about it), "What if I'd hit her hard enough that I killed her? What if I'd even hit her hard enough that I knocked her over and she hit her head on a rock or something?" I mean, I felt awful about it later, I realized that things can happen and that I could have hurt her much worse, even by accident, and I was eight. And it's not like I was some "wise-beyond-my-years" kid, because I wasn't. This kid was 11 - I mean, around that age, you have to think that the kid knows some semblance of right and wrong.
Originally Posted by LisaF1163
kids that age have the ability to know right from wrong, but the ability to "see around corners" as dr. phil puts it, is something they oftentimes lack. someone that age can realize the immediate consequences of that kind of action (i.e. death) but after that, its not typical that they think about police investigations, going to trial, going to prison, etc.

anywho, i think its a sad situation.
Kids are impulsive and sometimes irrational. This is why they shouldn't have free access to firearms.
There's gotta be more to this story that they'll hopefully uncover.
And an 11-year-old in prison with other adult prisoners is a scary thought.
Originally Posted by Sairis
I think he goes to a juvenile prison until the age of 18 and then he serves out the rest of his sentence in an adult prison. Still scary though.

I wonder where the little boys mother is.
Kids are impulsive and sometimes irrational. This is why they shouldn't have free access to firearms.
Originally Posted by RedCatWaves
SO true, and such a simple thing too, and YET this terrible thing happens.
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