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02-22-2009, 06:13 AM
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Join Date: May 2001
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11y/o Kills Fathers Pregnant G/F
Has anyone heard about this? So sad
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02-22-2009, 06:36 AM
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Join Date: Feb 2006
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Paging Dr. Freud
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02-22-2009, 06:43 AM
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Join Date: Jul 2008
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Sad, true. Infuriating? Also true. Let me LIST the reasons why:
*They make shotguns for children?! FOR children to use?! Nobody sees a problem with that?
*The dad bought his son the shotgun...or someone did
*He had unsupervised access to said gun.
*The shooting is thought to not be an accident
*PA law says anyone over 10 gets charged as an adult. Didn't know that. Gotta love my state. Why 10? Probably something from back when people lived til 40. Update, anyone?
*Where was the dad?
*He shot her in bed? Like an execution?
*Didn't anyone see their relationship going South?
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02-22-2009, 07:44 AM
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Join Date: Jun 2006
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Yeah, this is somewhat local to me, so it's all over the news.
It's not unusual for kids to hunt with their Dads, so it's not so unusual to have a child sized gun. I don't have an issue with that, but no kid should have unsupervized access to said gun.
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02-22-2009, 07:49 AM
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Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 6,876
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There's gotta be more to this story that they'll hopefully uncover.
And an 11-year-old in prison with other adult prisoners is a scary thought.
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02-22-2009, 07:53 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2009
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Seriously - while the idea of "guns for kids" makes me uncomfortable, even while supervised, why wasn't that gun locked up by a responsible adult?
From what I read in The Associated Press ( via Yahoo news) version, he shot her in the back of the head while she slept. So yeah - execution style, and while she was sleeping, so she never even had a chance to run for it.
Edit - Yeah, it's mentioned in the AP version of the article:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090222/...Fib3kxMWFjY3Vz
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Last edited by LisaF1163; 02-22-2009 at 07:57 AM.
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02-22-2009, 07:54 AM
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Join Date: Jul 2008
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Yeah, true. I grew up in the Burgh, as you know, so I get the hunting thing. Side story: My dad was a hunter also and he taught me how to use a gun. He also kept his guns in a zippered BAG under the bed in full view of me and anyone else who walked upstairs. I can't recall if he locked it! But times were different then. You can't do that anymore IMO.
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02-22-2009, 07:57 AM
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Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 4,320
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Um...so Im the only one here who has a problem with children being allowed a gun? Wow- I guess things really are different in the uk to other countries. Jesus Christ.
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02-22-2009, 07:59 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2009
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Nope, not just you - I don't like it either. Supervised or not, stuff still happens.
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02-22-2009, 07:59 AM
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Join Date: Apr 2002
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My son is 11 and I just can't wrap my head around this. I've seen angry kids before. I still can't grasp this.
How awful, so much pain.
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02-22-2009, 08:06 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2009
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The thing is, is 11 years old old enough to realize your actions? I remember when I was eight, I went through a bit of a "bully" period. Yes, I was a little a.sshole, and I beat up another kid who just got on my nerves. I remember hitting her pretty hard, and later on, I thought to myself (when I was feeling pretty bad and pretty guilty about it), "What if I'd hit her hard enough that I killed her? What if I'd even hit her hard enough that I knocked her over and she hit her head on a rock or something?" I mean, I felt awful about it later, I realized that things can happen and that I could have hurt her much worse, even by accident, and I was eight. And it's not like I was some "wise-beyond-my-years" kid, because I wasn't. This kid was 11 - I mean, around that age, you have to think that the kid knows some semblance of right and wrong.
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02-22-2009, 08:16 AM
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Join Date: Feb 2006
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It really depends on the region. I don't know anyone who (openly) owns a gun. I certainly don't know anyone who hunts for sport (although, as unsettling as it is to know that people kill things just for fun, I'm no vegetarian and it may very well be more humane than factory farming).
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02-22-2009, 08:29 AM
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Join Date: Jun 2006
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I grew up around them, so I guess I don't see it as such a big deal. Kids hunt, and kids usually can't use an adult sized gun.
But, any responsible gun owner knows that you don't keep guns unlocked with kids around.
Phoenix, I can relate to your story.
I find it odd that the Dad noticed no issues. I wonder if he was so busyt shtupping his girlfiend that his son suffered a little benign neglect.
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02-22-2009, 08:39 AM
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Join Date: Jul 2008
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So he just went to school like nothing happened. And then he lied about it afterward. It was a guy in a black truck...
Soooo sad all the way around.
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"Hope the Mail are saving space tomorrow for Samantha Brick's reaction piece on the reactions to her piece about the reactions to her piece." ~ Tweet reposted by Rou.
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02-22-2009, 09:04 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2009
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I guess the Dad didn't notice, but apparently the kid told another kid who told his father - an adult relative - that he wanted to shoot her:
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02-22-2009, 09:25 AM
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Join Date: Aug 2008
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This story is just difficult to process. I can't wrap my head around a kid planning to shoot someone in cold blood and actually going through with it. I can even believe that the thought would cross his mind, but to the point that he made it a reality? I can say that kids can have very fanciful imaginations, and think all kinds of things (granted I never thought of killing anyone, but I thought some crazy stuff sometimes), but it tends to stay in the imagination and it's done.
Is there anything about the kid's reaction and state of mind now?
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02-22-2009, 12:45 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2004
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kids that age have the ability to know right from wrong, but the ability to "see around corners" as dr. phil puts it, is something they oftentimes lack. someone that age can realize the immediate consequences of that kind of action (i.e. death) but after that, its not typical that they think about police investigations, going to trial, going to prison, etc.
anywho, i think its a sad situation.
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02-22-2009, 03:06 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 31,421
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Kids are impulsive and sometimes irrational. This is why they shouldn't have free access to firearms.
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02-22-2009, 03:27 PM
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Join Date: Sep 2001
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I think he goes to a juvenile prison until the age of 18 and then he serves out the rest of his sentence in an adult prison. Still scary though.
I wonder where the little boys mother is.
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02-22-2009, 03:57 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2008
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SO true, and such a simple thing too, and YET this terrible thing happens.
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