When a coworker calls in sick...


to me, if someone is ready to leave her job, why should it matter to those who are left behind if she covers her interview days with sick time or vacation time? either way, she's still leaving.
Originally Posted by rainshower
It is actually stealing from the company - if you are leaving you get paid out for your unused vacation. If you used a sick day instead of a vacation day, you're lying and taking money from the company that is undeserved.

That being said, I don't really care what my coworkers do, but for me, that is a reason that I would not lie and use sick time for an interview. That's what vacation time is for, why wouldn't I just use the appropriate designation?
Originally Posted by rileyb
if i worked in an environment where people seemed to be poised with scrutiny and ready to investigate or make conjectures about the validity of a person's absense (harassment), i wouldn't even care at that point. and i am being perfectly honest.

also, some companies make it difficult for their staff to take unplanned time off. and since you can't predict a sick day (and i'm not talking about a scheduled doc. appt.), how else would you explain an interview that you may not want anyone to know about, but that is planned for the end of the week, when you know that you've already turned in your planned personal time off for the year? i've been fortunate to mostly escape working for employers like that. but my sister, a friend's mother, another friend's husband, work for companies that make it difficult not only for them to take an afternoon off for a discreet interview, but even to leave for other pressing reasons like childcare, car problems, family matters, etc. my sister went months trying to get her car fixed on the weekends because she couldn't take off during the week to get a mechanic to look at it. and it wasn't that she didn't have time accrued (she had plenty of unused vacation time); it was that if she wasn't sick and ready to produce a doctor's note, it would have been difficult to convince the "powers that be" to let her take an unplanned day off, car problems or not. these are very real scenarios that people have to make allowances for. not everyone can work for considerate corporations or work around coworkers who respect your personal affairs.

so when someone has used down her vacation time and has a couple of sick days left and needs a mental health day to relax at home or run leisure errands, that is none of my business and i wouldn't think she's sneaky or dishonest for doing it. i wouldn't even know about it to have an opinion about it.
Originally Posted by rainshower
I mean regardless of the situation, though, it is lying. You can justify it to yourself all you want, saying the company owes you whatever, or you have to because you're out of vacation and you have no choice, or it's a victimless crime... but however you rationalize it - it's lying.

And again, I really don't care what other people do at work if it doesn't affect me personally, whether they are lying through their teeth or not - for me, I know what my company's policy is for PTO and I would prefer to use it honestly and manage my vacation time so I don't have to lie and risk being caught in a lie and being in an awkward situation at work or potentially even risking my job.
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I'm sick right now and I had to call out yesterday and today. I guess I'm a weakling I won't go to work with a fever. I don't get vac/sick time. I also called out last month when I had a root canal earlier in the day. I waited until I talked to my boss to ask if I could PLEASE call out so I could take some pain meds. He said fine.

Our crazy American culture makes us feel guilty for calling off when we're sick, when in all reality when we're coming down with something it's probably better for us to STAY home and keep our INFECTIVE selves away from everybody else! But I guess it's better to be a martyr or something...not me!
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I don't think anyone on this thread is saying to go in to work sick and not take sick leave. The discussion is about taking sick leave to go on interviews.

If you are sick, stay home, lay on the couch and watch bad daytime television. Most of all, keep your germs to yourself!!
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Our crazy American culture makes us feel guilty for calling off when we're sick, when in all reality when we're coming down with something it's probably better for us to STAY home and keep our INFECTIVE selves away from everybody else! But I guess it's better to be a martyr
Originally Posted by TillyMunchyWaves
Some employers don't really care about the individual. At the end of the day, it's about the bottom line. The work needs to get done. It's not unheard of for personal and work boundaries to become blurred, especially in the age of PDAs, cellphones, laptops, and home networking. Being a slave to your employer can be made palatable if you are paid the big bucks, but that's not the case for many people.
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It is actually stealing from the company - if you are leaving you get paid out for your unused vacation. If you used a sick day instead of a vacation day, you're lying and taking money from the company that is undeserved.

That being said, I don't really care what my coworkers do, but for me, that is a reason that I would not lie and use sick time for an interview. That's what vacation time is for, why wouldn't I just use the appropriate designation?
Originally Posted by rileyb
if i worked in an environment where people seemed to be poised with scrutiny and ready to investigate or make conjectures about the validity of a person's absense (harassment), i wouldn't even care at that point. and i am being perfectly honest.

also, some companies make it difficult for their staff to take unplanned time off. and since you can't predict a sick day (and i'm not talking about a scheduled doc. appt.), how else would you explain an interview that you may not want anyone to know about, but that is planned for the end of the week, when you know that you've already turned in your planned personal time off for the year? i've been fortunate to mostly escape working for employers like that. but my sister, a friend's mother, another friend's husband, work for companies that make it difficult not only for them to take an afternoon off for a discreet interview, but even to leave for other pressing reasons like childcare, car problems, family matters, etc. my sister went months trying to get her car fixed on the weekends because she couldn't take off during the week to get a mechanic to look at it. and it wasn't that she didn't have time accrued (she had plenty of unused vacation time); it was that if she wasn't sick and ready to produce a doctor's note, it would have been difficult to convince the "powers that be" to let her take an unplanned day off, car problems or not. these are very real scenarios that people have to make allowances for. not everyone can work for considerate corporations or work around coworkers who respect your personal affairs.

so when someone has used down her vacation time and has a couple of sick days left and needs a mental health day to relax at home or run leisure errands, that is none of my business and i wouldn't think she's sneaky or dishonest for doing it. i wouldn't even know about it to have an opinion about it.
Originally Posted by rainshower
I mean regardless of the situation, though, it is lying. You can justify it to yourself all you want, saying the company owes you whatever, or you have to because you're out of vacation and you have no choice, or it's a victimless crime... but however you rationalize it - it's lying.

And again, I really don't care what other people do at work if it doesn't affect me personally, whether they are lying through their teeth or not - for me, I know what my company's policy is for PTO and I would prefer to use it honestly and manage my vacation time so I don't have to lie and risk being caught in a lie and being in an awkward situation at work or potentially even risking my job.
Originally Posted by rileyb
you are probably right.
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The last time I let my DD have a mental health day it ended up costing a ton of money.

She's a wrestling manager and a couple of boys made it to the state tournament, so she wanted to go watch. I called the school, almost all of the high school kids went, picked up a couple of her friends and drove them up to the arena.

After the match, we went shopping. Sweet Jesus I spent way to much money on her and I, plus buying food for teenagers is expensive!

I normally allow her a couple of mental health days a year. She has to have a very good reason to miss school.

When I was working I'd only miss work because of doctor's appointments. I never took vacation days, but would make sure my appointments were always on Fridays mid afternoon. DH has PTO time, the only reason he misses work are snow days. He was up front about that from the very beginning. He can make a week's wages in one day, more if it's a big snow and he has to plow several times.

I never worried about why my coworkers didn't come it. Most of the time they would bring the sick child into work, that was more annoying than if they would have stayed home. I'd have to deal with a whiny kid and a frustrated mom, plus deal with all the customers.
I don't think I have ever scheduled interviews without my supervisor knowing exactly what I'm doing and why, and what led up to it. I've had several people tell me that strategy means I'm screwing myself in the foot, but honesty is calming to me so I keep doing it.
I actually called in today, but spent 12 hours at work yesterday with the same symptoms, but not as severe. My coworkers kept saying that I better not call in sick tomorrow because they didn't want to come in! I should have went home early yesterday, but they were making me feel so guilty! I am not a person that calls in normally! I do have a few co-workers who happen to get sick more often than others and I may privately be suspicious but at the same time it isn't my business. I would hope that my coworkers don't suspect me, but if they do, their problem not mine. I don't see anything wrong with using your time off how you see fit, I guess I do have a I earned I will use it mentality.
We have a PTO system that is all in one, but there is also a point system in place for call ins

leave early 1/2 point
first day and any consecutive days (M-F(before 3pm friday)only) 1 point
first and consecutive days from Friday 3pm to Sunday 11pm 2 points

5 points accrued written warning in file
6 points one day suspension without pay
7 points fired

The thing I hate about it is if you don't work weekends, you can never get nailed for two points! Those of us that work weekends get penalized extra and hey sometimes you cannot help when you get sick. And if you call in Friday at 3pm and are getting 2 points taken away, you might as well call in all weekend the penalty is the same!

The other thing some people do is get their doctor to write an umbrella excuse.. Say I get migraines, it is chronic conditon, my doctor writes a note and they cannot take points away because I have a doctors excuse. Well guess what I can now call in once a week if I want and as long as I say migraine no penalty! We have an abuser who does this, and I am not saying she doesn't have migraines, but co-workers have seen her out other places when she is supposedly home ill.
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Went home sick yesterday and stayed home today...bronchitis I felt HORRIBLE, had no voice at all and was doing nobody any good staying there.

At one of my previous jobs, there were two young women who would call out sick CONSTANTLY and it weas such an office joke. One of the would call every HOUR and put this sick voice on and go, "I'm going to try to make it in..." and then not officially call-out until an hour before the rest of us went home. It used to drive me crazy. JUST CALL OUT IN THE MORNING. Instead, we all looked like idiots telling people on the phone that she might come in later, or might not...

I think offices should have combined sick/vacation time.
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if i worked in an environment where people seemed to be poised with scrutiny and ready to investigate or make conjectures about the validity of a person's absense (harassment), i wouldn't even care at that point. and i am being perfectly honest.

also, some companies make it difficult for their staff to take unplanned time off. and since you can't predict a sick day (and i'm not talking about a scheduled doc. appt.), how else would you explain an interview that you may not want anyone to know about, but that is planned for the end of the week, when you know that you've already turned in your planned personal time off for the year? i've been fortunate to mostly escape working for employers like that. but my sister, a friend's mother, another friend's husband, work for companies that make it difficult not only for them to take an afternoon off for a discreet interview, but even to leave for other pressing reasons like childcare, car problems, family matters, etc. my sister went months trying to get her car fixed on the weekends because she couldn't take off during the week to get a mechanic to look at it. and it wasn't that she didn't have time accrued (she had plenty of unused vacation time); it was that if she wasn't sick and ready to produce a doctor's note, it would have been difficult to convince the "powers that be" to let her take an unplanned day off, car problems or not. these are very real scenarios that people have to make allowances for. not everyone can work for considerate corporations or work around coworkers who respect your personal affairs.

so when someone has used down her vacation time and has a couple of sick days left and needs a mental health day to relax at home or run leisure errands, that is none of my business and i wouldn't think she's sneaky or dishonest for doing it. i wouldn't even know about it to have an opinion about it.
Originally Posted by rainshower
I mean regardless of the situation, though, it is lying. You can justify it to yourself all you want, saying the company owes you whatever, or you have to because you're out of vacation and you have no choice, or it's a victimless crime... but however you rationalize it - it's lying.

And again, I really don't care what other people do at work if it doesn't affect me personally, whether they are lying through their teeth or not - for me, I know what my company's policy is for PTO and I would prefer to use it honestly and manage my vacation time so I don't have to lie and risk being caught in a lie and being in an awkward situation at work or potentially even risking my job.
Originally Posted by rileyb
you are probably right.
Originally Posted by rainshower
Could you get that statement notarized and sent to my husband for a reminder for him?
I haven't got the slightest idea how to change people, but I still keep a long list of prospective candidates just in case I should ever figure it out.

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